Josh,

From my experience, Orca was unable to read the contents of the mail list widget. From reading the source code, it seems that the widget is custom written for Evolution, which would explain why it's so inaccessible.

- Dave


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
evolution is no longer accessible? I'll have to install that one and see
how it is. last time I heard it worked but that was a few years ago.

On 5/1/2013 9:30 AM, Fernando Botelho wrote:
> Hi Mélodie,
>
> Perhaps I should explain what distros like F123, Sonar, and Vinux do.
>
> These distros are meant to make life easier for the blind. They do not
> generally make source code changes, and the few times they do, they
> share with upstream projects. They are different in that they make
> installation by the blind easier by turning the Orca screen reader on by
> default. They also make special configurations like predefined keyboard
> shortcuts and simple things like making the Nautilus default showing of
> files be as list instead of icons.
>
> These distros also save disk space by taking out applications that are
> no longer accessible to the Orca screen reader, like Evolution, and
> using instead Thunderbird.
>
> Other software that is included, may be related to accessibility. For
> example, F123 brings Compiz Fusion already setup with the eZoom plugin.
> It is off by default, using Metacity, but can be easily turned on.
>
> In all these distros, F123, Sonar, and Vinux, people give constant
> feedback to upstream projects where such feedback is occasionally
> ignored and occasionally acted on.
>
> I am responsible for F123, and as soon as I heard that Gnome Fallback
> was going to be discontinued, I started searching for something like
> LXDE. While I can make changes such as the above within my own distro,
> any change to the source code of a core application like a window
> manager or such, is best done upstream, in this case, in LXDE itself, so
> it trickles down to Lubuntu, and from there to F123.
>
> As far as I know, these projects have slightly different philosophies in
> as far as what type of users they want to attract and how, but they are
> all committed to the FOSS strategy. I know Vinux has sent code patches
> upstream perhaps even to the Firefox community, I know Jonathan's Sonar
> initiative is helping make LibreOffice more accessible to all of us, and
> in my own case, F123 has contributed funding to Compiz Fusion eZoom
> work, as well as to WebKitGTK accessibility development.
>
> In the interest of getting the gball rolling and more blind users
> testing LXDE, I have recommended that they try out LXDE on Sonar,
> because it is the only one that I know is currently available for
> download with LXDE ready to go. If accessibility improves I am sure we
> will have an F123 based on LXDE and probably many others. None of us
> have the resources to go it alone, so do not worry about people keeping
> code improvements to themselves. If anyone goes in that direction, they
> will soon regret it when they see the high cost of keeping things in
> parallel to the main project.
>
> If I have been unclear by using Lubuntu when I should have said LXDE,
> sorry about that. I am also new in this group and I am doing my best to
> be constructive even if occasionally I make my own mistakes as well.
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On 04/30/2013 08:24 PM, JM wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/30/2013 06:46 PM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
>>>>        Hello!
>>
>>>> Fernando Botelho has written on Tuesday, 30 April, at 17:47:
>>
>>>>> Please download and install Jonathan's LXDE version of Sonar and all
>>>>> your questions shall be answered.
>>
>>>>> The LXDE team has been very wise and correct in including accessibility
>>>>> among their core bojectives, but they will change their mind very
>>>>> quickly if all they hear from the blind community is: "do this for me
>>>>> and do that for me, because I cannot take the time to research or help
>>>>> with anything".
>>
>>>>        If you have own version of LXDE with improved accessibility that's
>>>> not very polite to keep it for youself but it's better to give your
>>>> improvements to LXDE team to include those into main source instead.
>>
>>>>> There is a lot of good will and good intentions, but we are all just
>>>>> getting started. Documentation is being talked about and as that
>>>>> evolves, I am sure there will be a section for accessibility.
>>
>>>>        I've added some documentation related to accessibility for PCManFM
>>>> onto LXDE wiki site - http://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM#Tips_and_Tricks
>>>> and I believe all documentation of such kind should be presented at the
>>>> Wiki and be easily findable.
>>>>
>>>>        Andriy.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:28:37 -0300
>> Fernando Botelho <fernando.botelho@f123.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Andriy,
>>>
>>> I am assuming that Orca screen reader version and other LXDE software on
>>> Sonar Linux is not different than LXDE on others like Lubuntu, but we
>>> can check with Jonathan. I know that he is committed to the free
>>> software philosophy, but you are right, we can ask him about
>>> configurations or other changes that might prove useful to Lubuntu.
>>>
>>> Fernando
>>
>>
>> Hi Fernando,
>>
>> I notice you talk about Lubuntu : this is an Ubuntu flavor which is provided with the
>> LXDE desktop.
>>
>> Here it was about the LXDE development, which will benefit to all the distributions where
>> LXDE can be installed as an alternative to other integrated desktop, and not just to one
>> version of one GNU/Linux distribution. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mélodie
>>
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