From: Jay G. <jay...@gm...> - 2012-12-18 20:11:51
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Hi Michael, Tell us about it! The good news is that everything seems to be going away from the Wintel scenario, most people are using other platforms on a variety of different hardware form factors and architectures. The PowerPC RISC CPU in the new world PowerMacs was arguably a better processor than the venerable x86 which Apple had been scoffing at for a decade, then they changed to Intel x86! The funny thing is that the modern x86 processor is a highly-optimized RISC architecture core with a frontend interpreter that converts x86 code into RISC instructions that can be highly optimized. They met in the middle. Leveraging business contracts to strongarm manufacturers into blanket-licensing to the point where it costs the OEM more money to ship without Windows than with. You've gotta admit, that's a nice business deal! Don't even get me started on the fact that Windows XP licenses have probably been paid over for the entire Earth due to discarded systems that you are not _legally_allowed_ to remove the license from. Not to mention the fact that terminals at the airport, DMV, grocery stores, etc are running a full blown copy of MS Windows and antivirus protection just to run a single terminal application that connects to a UNIX server is kind of comical in a sad way. Cheers, On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Michael Collins <lin...@gm...>wrote: > To be sure I am no engineer. I'm just the crazy idea guy that still > wonders why the beige box succeeded when so many better form factors were > out at the beginning too. But I dont really wonder. I know it was the > Wintel cartel that shaped computing. If Bill Gates and Intel hadnt held > back computing for 30 years no telling how we would see and use them today. > But I digress. > > Find some junk and hack it into a free LTSP client. Just that when LTSP > started there were buttloads of 386s around. > > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jay Goldberg <jay...@gm...>wrote: > >> Was thinking the same thing. Just to clarify, they are not discontinuing >> x86. >> >> The standard 386 (i386 instruction set) had a max of 8MB of memory and >> clocked at 33MHz. Most commercial thin clients sold in the last 10 years >> have had 64MB or more. >> >> Even before the discontinuation of i386 a 386 wouldn't have been able to >> boot the LTSP client image AFAIK. We are talking ISA instead of PCI busses. >> This was a time when the math coprocessor (FPU) was sold as a separate >> chip! Everything since and including the Pentium is i586 which included >> nice things like an integrated FPU and MMX. >> >> A dual-core 3.06GHz Pentium D PC can be had diskless for $30. I'm not a >> fan of NetBurst, but hey, that's cheap to run LTSP on and if you're in a >> cold climate it shifts the heating bill :-P >> >> About the Arduino, unfortunately it's a microcontroller that specs memory >> in KB, not MB and MHz instead of GHz. I think you're thinking of >> raspberrypi.org or Gumstix or MK802. >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Michael Collins <lin...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> Cmon guys. Why are you welded to the beige box? There are so many >>> platforms out there more powerful than a 386. My junk dealer says he hasn't >>> seen a 386 in years so they are not in the junkpiles. >>> This little thing makes me wanna gush LTSP all over it. >>> http://www.arduino.cc/ So many things run linux natively for whatever >>> it is used for. How hard can it be to hang a monitor and keyboard off of >>> them? >>> >>> Just saying, Get out of the box. The disscussion of ltsp on the droid >>> got me thinking about lots of platforms that are going to scrap right now. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM, John Hupp <lt...@pr...> wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/18/2012 9:15 AM, asm...@ar... wrote: >>>> >>>> A great deal of the Linux Distros are becoming too heavy. >>>> >>>> Which is the lightest and offer the most in >>>> terms of scalability, support and deployment in anyones' opinion? >>>> >>>> Debian + LXDE, I think. Debian support (almost) every arch. And LXDE is >>>> one of the lightest DE. >>>> http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howtohttp://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian >>>> >>>> I use LTSP-PNP (Ubuntu 12.04 + LXDE). Here is something about DEs, same >>>> laptop as a fat client, memory 1 GB. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lubuntu 21% >>>> http://ltsp.fi/howto/Intro/LUBUNTU_01.png >>>> >>>> MATE 25% >>>> http://ltsp.fi/howto/Intro/MATE_01.png >>>> >>>> Xubuntu 26% >>>> http://ltsp.fi/howto/Intro/XUBUNTU_01.png >>>> >>>> Gnome Classic 32% >>>> http://ltsp.fi/howto/Intro/GNOME-CLASSIC_01.png >>>> >>>> Unity 39% >>>> http://ltsp.fi/howto/Intro/UBUNTU_01.png >>>> >>>> Kubuntu 58% >>>> http://ltsp.fi/howto/Intro/KUBUNTU_01.png >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. >>>> >>>> Aiming for a light, capable, well-supported balance, I've been >>>> working with Lubuntu + LTSP and now LTSP-PNP. At the performance level, >>>> this choice was not based on any systematic benchmarking but on some >>>> selective testing. I would be interested in knowing if someone has >>>> compared that to another contender like Debian + LTSP. >>>> >>>> I also looked at Alt Linux. I did not find any distro with lower >>>> memory requirements than this. But development has been patchy, and when I >>>> looked at it 6 months ago it needed a big push to become current again, and >>>> it would also need more language support for development work. (A lot of >>>> the documentation and a bit of the interface is in Russian, though Michael >>>> Shigorin, one of the pillars of that project, has excellent English). >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial >>>> Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support >>>> Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services >>>> Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d >>>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>>> Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss >>>> For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> Michael H. Collins >>> >>> My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my >>> life there. >>> >>> http://openauk.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial >>> Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support >>> Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services >>> Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d >>> _____________________________________________________________________ >>> Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss >>> For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jay Goldberg >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial >> Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support >> Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services >> Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss >> For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net >> >> > > > -- > > -- > Michael H. Collins > > My interest is in the future because I am going to spend the rest of my > life there. > > http://openauk.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial > Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support > Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services > Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers > http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d > _____________________________________________________________________ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > > -- Jay Goldberg |