I think that writing down logs to a local file ad then sending them to a remote server when internet connection is present would be a good idea. Also user should be notified that anonymous statistics have been uploaded successfully (or failed - until the remote server responds that the file is complete and all right, the local log file should be kept).

Could sirmacik deliver us with a hosting solution for this system?

This also brings in the idea of "Log window" that would eat up such info along with "Plugin X not found" information - closing 20 dialog windows ain't a pleasant task.


2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387@gmail.com>
Unfa couldnt have said it any better myself :) I agree 200%. Is it possible to
get this filed as a feature request.

It might have to wait until LMMS has some of its own infrastructure as we will
need a database to store the statistics.

On Friday 17 January 2014 13:48:42 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> One big thing this would solve is discovering what features are NOT used -
> for example we'd know if people know keyboard shortcuts.
>
> For example if we implement the "FX mixer strips auto-rename" feature, by
> logging all operations of mixer-strip manual renaming we could measure how
> useful (or not) this feature is - if it's broken or works not as users
> expect, they're gonna use manual renaming a lot, but if they stop manual
> renaming at all - I'd interpret this that auto-rename is working great.
>
> Maybe we have some cool features that are not used, not because they are
> useless, but because they are not known.
>
> This feature could also be connected with a "Tip of the day" feature (new
> idea, just got it) - displaying tips that users probably don't know, based
> on local feature usage statistics.
> Let's show them tips about what they never done before in the first place!
>
> A button "This tip was *useful*" and "This tip was *useless*" for user
> feedback could also help us review the tips and decide what to do to
> improve them.
>
> A button or context menu item "Send feedback about this..." that opens a
> text input window allowing users to write personal notes about anything in
> the program would also be a great way of gathering instant and fresh
> comments about what works and what doesn't in the program.
>
> I think anonymous statistics and feedback could make a big difference in
> how developers understand users.
>
> 2014/1/15 Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387@gmail.com>
>
> > You are ok. Thing is things get discussed then they vanish and never get
> > completed as there was no issue filed in the tracker.
> >
> > On Wednesday 15 January 2014 16:03:15 you wrote:
> > > It's me. Mea culpa ;)
> > >
> > > On 15 Jan 2014 16:01, "Jonathan Aquilina" <eagles051387@gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > Can we put this on the issue tracker please and get it tagged as an
> > > > enhancement request please.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks please include the below discussion and the names of hte person
> >
> > in
> >
> > > > the
> > > > initial post that way we dont have to start the discussion from
> > > > scratch
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday 15 January 2014 15:59:01 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > > > > Absolutely.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 15 Jan 2014 14:50, "Vesa" <dii.dii@nbl.fi> wrote:
> > > > > >  On 01/15/2014 03:32 PM, Israel wrote:
> > > > > > That might be useful.  I think including a 'Report Problem '
> > > > > > button
> > > >
> > > > would
> > > >
> > > > > > be nice so all the bug reports can go to a common area.  I get bug
> > > >
> > > > reports
> > > >
> > > > > > for Ubuntu occasionally (though honestly a lot of them have been
> >
> > for
> >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > packaging... which I have been chipping away at fixing)
> > > > > > But if someone has a real problem with the actual program, having
> >
> > an
> >
> > > > easy
> > > >
> > > > > > way to send a bug report is a good idea!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 01/14/2014 03:37 PM, Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This idea comes back to me again: could LMMS gather some
> >
> > statistics if
> >
> > > > > > users agree to participate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What info and why?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - LMMS version
> > > > > > - operating system
> > > > > > - screen resolution
> > > > > > - audio back-end
> > > > > > - instruments/plugins usage
> > > > > > - feature usage (clicks on every UI element)
> > > > > > - crashes per month
> > > > > > - problem reports (user input - would require a "report problem"
> > > >
> > > > feature)
> > > >
> > > > > > - ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This could be implemented BUT - a huge BUT: it needs to be
> > > > > > entirely
> > > > > > transparent, voluntary and opt-in, and respectful of the user's
> > > >
> > > > privacy.
> > > >
> > > > > > Here's the bare minimum requirements:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - when you first run LMMS a dialog could pop up asking if the user
> > > >
> > > > wants
> > > >
> > > > > > to participate, and if the user selects "no" they won't be
> > > > > > bothered
> > > >
> > > > about
> > > >
> > > > > > it again.
> > > > > > - this dialog should also explain clearly what kind of data is
> > > > > > sent
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > where.
> > > > > > - the feature should also be able to be later manually turned
> >
> > off/on
> >
> > > > from
> > > >
> > > > > > the settings, and that setting must be easy to find.
> > > > > > - we should also collect data on a strictly need-to-know basis,
> > > > > > ie.
> > > >
> > > > only
> > > >
> > > > > > collect things that are a) strictly necessary/useful for the
> > > >
> > > > development
> > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > LMMS, and b) anonymous - can't be used to identify/track the user.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Post-Snowden, there's no playing around with this kind of stuff...
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