Hi Julien, 

  I think I missed an "if" and that changed the meaning of what I said. I have no idea if you'll have "trademark" problems with the LS team if you package of the software, but Denis pointed out that there should be no problem with that, but as Denis also pointed that the problem could be with the Debian guys (because they are really strict regarding trademarks on their SO) I just added that the deb packaging is not exclusively for Debian, as Ubuntu uses the same format, so the Debian restriction only apply if you want your deb to be included in the main repositories.

 Then, if I'm right, if there's no problem with the LS team, there should be no problem packaging. 

 What I didn't understood was the purpose of having LS as a package, but then I realize that most of the servers run under Linux.

 Hope now it's all clear. 
 Best,
 Victor


On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Julian Gilbey <jdg@debian.org> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:23:23PM -0800, Victor Pinto wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
>   I don't see the problem in packaging LimeSurvey in a .deb except you're
> trying to include LS in the Debian repository. I think even if the Debian
> guys are very strict with trademarks, they don't forbid the packaging, as
> for example, Ubuntu also uses .deb, (and I'll be happy having LS as Ubuntu
> deb, even if I don't see the immediate  benefit :D)
>
>   Victor

Hi Victor,

I'm a little confused about what you're saying - are you saying to the
Limesurvey team that it should be OK to make a .deb for Debian (and
then probably also Ubuntu), or are you saying to me that there
shouldn't be a problem packaging it for Debian?

With the wording as written at the moment on the website, it is
unclear to me whether it would be permitted to package it at all for
Debian (in that specific permission is needed - see my earlier email).

   Julian

> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Denis Chenu <courriel@shnoulle.net> wrote:
>
> > Le 27/01/2013 20:26, Julian Gilbey a écrit :
> > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 05:52:53PM +0100, Denis Chenu wrote:
> > >> Hello Julian,
> > >>
> > >> LimeSurvey don't use CodeIgniter now, for the same reason won't be
> > >> allowed in Debian .
> > >> This line need to be removed.
> > >>
> > >> But regarding Debian line, maybe there are some other restriction.
> > >> See https://www.limesurvey.org/about-limesurvey/license#trademark
> > >>
> > >> Denis
> > >> PS: if you have a .deb for testing, please feel free to send me the
> > link.
> > > Hello Denis!
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info.
> > >
> > > I just looked at the page, and first off, I can help you by correcting
> > > a couple of small typos - see below.
> > >
> > > With the caveat that I am not a lawyer (IANAL), it would seem that
> > > there is a contradiction between the two parts of the webpage.  The
> > > license part (both the license.txt file and the "License & Copyright"
> > > part of the webpage say that the code is provided under the terms of
> > > the GPL.  The GPL specifically says:
> > >
> > >      1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
> > >    source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you
> > >    conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate
> > >    copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; ...
> > >
> > >      2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
> > >    of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
> > >    distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
> > >    above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions: [...]
> > >
> > > In particular, this seems to permit creating and distributing a
> > > package of limesurvey without any further restrictions, except for
> > > those listed in clause 2 of the GPL.
> > >
> > > The trademark restrictions, as far as I am aware, would prohibit
> > > distributing something different from Limesurvey itself and calling it
> > > Limesurvey without making it clear that it is different (that is
> > > covered by the GPL clause 2(a)), and certainly for all of the other
> > > uses listed on the webpage.  But I cannot understand how packaging it
> > > and distributing it without written permission could constitute a
> > > trademark violation.
> > >
> > > Finally, this means that the package should not be fully under the
> > > GPL, as the logo included in templates/clear_logo/limesurvey_logo.png
> > > (and possibly elsewhere) may not be freely redistributed, as it is
> > > subject to a trademark restriction.
> > >
> > > Again, IANAL, but I am confused...
> > >
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, suggested corrections to the webpage:
> > >
> > >   The overall LimeSurvey software package is Copyright © 2003 onwards by
> > >   Carsten Schmitz with portions contributed/copyrighted by many others
> > >   (see COPYRIGHT.PHP in the download package and the source code itself)
> > >                           **downloaded**
> > >   and all of it is provided under the terms of the GPL. This program is
> > >   free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the
> > >   terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free
> > >   Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your
> > >   option) any later version.
> > >
> > >   The LimeSurvey documentation is Copyright © 2005 onwards by the
> > >   individual authors of each page (see History link on each page) and is
> > >   provided to all under the Creative Commone Share-alike license.
> > >                                    **Commons**   **Alike**
> > >
> > >   LimeSurvey is distributed in the hope that they will be useful, but
> > >                                             **it**
> > >   without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of
> > >   merchentability or fitness for a particular purpose. See the GNU
> > > **merchAntability**
> > >   General Public License v2 for all details.
> > >
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > >    Julian
> > >
> > For trademark,
> >
> > Yes you can distribute it in any GPL compatible distribution, it's not a
> > LimeSurvey problem.
> > But for Debian, think have to remove trademark. Like Firefox in Debian (
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project
> > ). Maybe see with the debian core team before is a good idea.
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> >
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