From: Ernie Z. <ern...@gm...> - 2011-09-15 13:11:42
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Hey, I was wondering if there has ever been an effort to raise money on Kickstarter for Kdenlive. The proceeds could go to listing bounties for features or support that is not yet developed or completed. I wold love to help make that happen. I can draft a script. Any thoughts? -Ernie |
From: Dan D. <da...@de...> - 2011-09-15 16:18:29
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Ernie Zahn <ern...@gm...> wrote: > Hey, > > I was wondering if there has ever been an effort to raise money on > Kickstarter for Kdenlive. The proceeds could go to listing bounties for > features or support that is not yet developed or completed. I wold love > to help make that happen. I can draft a script. Is any developer willing to make the level of commitment that the money obligates? I do not pay much attention to Kickstarter, but my impression is that it is more appropriate for a person or group that is going to use the money to work on the project fulltime. Is that a fair impression or wrong? I already get paid projects for work on MLT, but it is purely work on the side of my fulltime employment. I am very careful to make sure I do not take on anything too big because I understand it is a commitment alongside other commitments. Because Kdenlive is so dependent on MLT, if this Kickstarter happens, I just want to let you know I am not able to give any more attention to the needs of Kdenlive than I already give. -- +-DRD-+ |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2011-09-17 19:08:20
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/15/2011 06:18 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Ernie Zahn <ern...@gm...> > wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I was wondering if there has ever been an effort to raise money >> on Kickstarter for Kdenlive. The proceeds could go to listing >> bounties for features or support that is not yet developed or >> completed. I wold love to help make that happen. I can draft a >> script. > > Is any developer willing to make the level of commitment that the > money obligates? I do not pay much attention to Kickstarter, but > my impression is that it is more appropriate for a person or group > that is going to use the money to work on the project fulltime. Is > that a fair impression or wrong? I don't know much about Kickstarter either, but I might be able to work on Kdenlive (and MLT maybe?) fulltime for 1 or 2 months, spring next year. Of course I'd need some money then. All the Kickstarter projects I have seen so far were bigger projects, so maybe a simple donation would be better? Since there just was the Novacut Kickstarter project I also doubt that it would be too successful. > > I already get paid projects for work on MLT, but it is purely work > on the side of my fulltime employment. I am very careful to make > sure I do not take on anything too big because I understand it is > a commitment alongside other commitments. Because Kdenlive is so > dependent on MLT, if this Kickstarter happens, I just want to let > you know I am not able to give any more attention to the needs of > Kdenlive than I already give. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk508BQACgkQzwEyz7QP6nSobgCfS6iomWJ51ZbxmggxBanPuRC0 SyoAoKs12XcXDlfi8foAZA3SRrk9GseY =SvHZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2011-09-19 17:32:23
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: > Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks for the will to take care of this! There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear opinions from the others about how money donated to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else would also be able to spend some time on Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? > > @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a good reason > to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is waaay past proof of > concept. Users can test drive it for themselves. We could advertise > at as funding for version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since > I haven't been developing but it's a thought. We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so we don't frustrate anyone. At Desktop Summit I talked to a guy who is involved in a site to create surveys for (open source) software. It is currently closed beta but we created a Kdenlive project. I will invite the others (jb, simon, alberto, someone else?) and give some short information about the site soon. Maybe we could create a survey concerning donations (or maybe make it part of a more general survey)? > > @Dan. Yeah I can totally see how for some people they can't put > more time into it then they already have but this funding could > potentially be used to raise awareness and attract new developers > to work out kinks, bugs and features etc. > > Who can we get in touch with at Kdenlive? To make this work we > would either need to work with someone on the main team or get some > kind of privileges to make sure we can promise things like adding a > backers name to the site etc. That'd be jb. He appears to be quite busy currently, but I guess he will answer to this tread sooner or later. > > > > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Simon A. Eugster > <sim...@gm...>wrote: > >> On 17.09.2011 21:08, Till Theato wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 09/15/2011 06:18 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: >>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Ernie >>>> Zahn<ern...@gm...> wrote: >>>>> Hey, >>>>> >>>>> I was wondering if there has ever been an effort to raise >>>>> money on Kickstarter for Kdenlive. The proceeds could go to >>>>> listing bounties for features or support that is not yet >>>>> developed or completed. I wold love to help make that >>>>> happen. I can draft a script. >>>> >>>> Is any developer willing to make the level of commitment that >>>> the money obligates? I do not pay much attention to >>>> Kickstarter, but my impression is that it is more appropriate >>>> for a person or group that is going to use the money to work >>>> on the project fulltime. Is that a fair impression or wrong? >>> >>> I don't know much about Kickstarter either, but I might be able >>> to work on Kdenlive (and MLT maybe?) fulltime for 1 or 2 >>> months, spring next year. Of course I'd need some money then. >>> All the Kickstarter projects I have seen so far were bigger >>> projects, so maybe a simple donation would be better? Since >>> there just was the Novacut Kickstarter project I also doubt >>> that it would be too successful. >> >> I'd say, let's give it a try when you're ready! >> >> Simon >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk53fJYACgkQzwEyz7QP6nSDlgCfXtF5uaZOqZnEnTF5SwaiqPAM n98AnRt06IU3xArjcLpZBCaeyFUvq/Hi =IQyA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2012-02-12 19:45:14
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/2012 03:44 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > Hey Till, > > On 02/05/2012 11:32 PM, Till Theato wrote: >> --- 8< ---- @Ernie, @all: I'd go for indiegogo then. If there are >> no further requirements preventing this I will open a campain as >> fast as possible, hopefully this week. We could then post the >> video at some later point. > > Cool. Let's go then! :-] Did you already decide what to work on? > Will it be refactoring or also other areas? The main focus will definitely be on refactoring. Besides I will have a look at scripting and maybe also other ways to customize/expand Kdenlive. And then I'll have to see what new possibilities we got from the refactoring efforts (if there's any time left). > >> How are the efforts for a script going? > > And, given that we (Kdenlive devs, – but maybe also translators, > supporters and users?) still briefly introduce ourselves and tell > something about the project, will we (try to) talk in English or in > our native language, subtitled? What would you prefer? Is it about easy to read and correct subtitles versus not so good spoken English or more about straightforwardness? > > Simon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk84FpYACgkQzwEyz7QP6nTitgCgggbME7CgR8xczbQJEDPwwuE/ ND8AoOBXL87X29w53rconOrO2QEe/dUN =aAdk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Simon A. E. <sim...@gm...> - 2012-02-12 21:30:12
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On 02/12/2012 08:44 PM, Till Theato wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/06/2012 03:44 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: >> Hey Till, >> >> On 02/05/2012 11:32 PM, Till Theato wrote: >>> --- 8< ---- @Ernie, @all: I'd go for indiegogo then. If there are >>> no further requirements preventing this I will open a campain as >>> fast as possible, hopefully this week. We could then post the >>> video at some later point. >> >> Cool. Let's go then! :-] Did you already decide what to work on? >> Will it be refactoring or also other areas? > > The main focus will definitely be on refactoring. Besides I will have > a look at scripting and maybe also other ways to customize/expand > Kdenlive. And then I'll have to see what new possibilities we got from > the refactoring efforts (if there's any time left). Cool. >>> How are the efforts for a script going? >> >> And, given that we (Kdenlive devs, – but maybe also translators, >> supporters and users?) still briefly introduce ourselves and tell >> something about the project, will we (try to) talk in English or in >> our native language, subtitled? > > What would you prefer? Is it about easy to read and correct subtitles > versus not so good spoken English or more about straightforwardness? I think I would prefer subtitles. The donators will be from different countries anyway, having different spoken languages in the video could be a benefit. Also makes us look a little more international, maybe :) Simon |
From: Simon A. E. <sim...@gm...> - 2011-09-17 20:07:56
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On 17.09.2011 21:08, Till Theato wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/15/2011 06:18 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Ernie Zahn<ern...@gm...> >> wrote: >>> Hey, >>> >>> I was wondering if there has ever been an effort to raise money >>> on Kickstarter for Kdenlive. The proceeds could go to listing >>> bounties for features or support that is not yet developed or >>> completed. I wold love to help make that happen. I can draft a >>> script. >> >> Is any developer willing to make the level of commitment that the >> money obligates? I do not pay much attention to Kickstarter, but >> my impression is that it is more appropriate for a person or group >> that is going to use the money to work on the project fulltime. Is >> that a fair impression or wrong? > > I don't know much about Kickstarter either, but I might be able to > work on Kdenlive (and MLT maybe?) fulltime for 1 or 2 months, spring > next year. Of course I'd need some money then. All the Kickstarter > projects I have seen so far were bigger projects, so maybe a simple > donation would be better? Since there just was the Novacut Kickstarter > project I also doubt that it would be too successful. I'd say, let's give it a try when you're ready! Simon |
From: Ernie Z. <ern...@gm...> - 2011-09-17 21:10:27
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Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is waaay past proof of concept. Users can test drive it for themselves. We could advertise at as funding for version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since I haven't been developing but it's a thought. @Dan. Yeah I can totally see how for some people they can't put more time into it then they already have but this funding could potentially be used to raise awareness and attract new developers to work out kinks, bugs and features etc. Who can we get in touch with at Kdenlive? To make this work we would either need to work with someone on the main team or get some kind of privileges to make sure we can promise things like adding a backers name to the site etc. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Simon A. Eugster <sim...@gm...>wrote: > On 17.09.2011 21:08, Till Theato wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 09/15/2011 06:18 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Ernie Zahn<ern...@gm...> > >> wrote: > >>> Hey, > >>> > >>> I was wondering if there has ever been an effort to raise money > >>> on Kickstarter for Kdenlive. The proceeds could go to listing > >>> bounties for features or support that is not yet developed or > >>> completed. I wold love to help make that happen. I can draft a > >>> script. > >> > >> Is any developer willing to make the level of commitment that the > >> money obligates? I do not pay much attention to Kickstarter, but > >> my impression is that it is more appropriate for a person or group > >> that is going to use the money to work on the project fulltime. Is > >> that a fair impression or wrong? > > > > I don't know much about Kickstarter either, but I might be able to > > work on Kdenlive (and MLT maybe?) fulltime for 1 or 2 months, spring > > next year. Of course I'd need some money then. All the Kickstarter > > projects I have seen so far were bigger projects, so maybe a simple > > donation would be better? Since there just was the Novacut Kickstarter > > project I also doubt that it would be too successful. > > I'd say, let's give it a try when you're ready! > > Simon > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > BlackBerry® DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA > http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-devcon-copy2 > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > -- Divine Comedies Est. 2008 |
From: Simon A. E. <sim...@gm...> - 2011-09-28 07:07:03
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On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? > > Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks for the will to > take care of this! > > There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend this time on > Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just in case. > I'd also like to hear opinions from the others about how money donated > to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else would also be able to > spend some time on Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? > >> >> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a good reason >> to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is waaay past proof of >> concept. Users can test drive it for themselves. We could advertise >> at as funding for version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since >> I haven't been developing but it's a thought. > > We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so we don't > frustrate anyone. Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too honest. Others promise a better world and want money before they even know how to do it. I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What about putting just your 2 months on kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your time on doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help us too much at the moment, since our main limit is not money but time. And more programmers ;) Simon |
From: Dan D. <da...@de...> - 2011-10-13 19:11:13
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http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of resentment. The community funding model does not match the user expectations. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster <sim...@gm...> wrote: > On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? >> >> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks for the will to >> take care of this! >> >> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend this time on >> Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just in case. >> I'd also like to hear opinions from the others about how money donated >> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else would also be able to >> spend some time on Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? >> >>> >>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a good reason >>> to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is waaay past proof of >>> concept. Users can test drive it for themselves. We could advertise >>> at as funding for version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since >>> I haven't been developing but it's a thought. >> >> We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so we don't >> frustrate anyone. > > Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too honest. Others promise a > better world and want money before they even know how to do it. > > I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What about putting just > your 2 months on kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your time on > doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help us too much at the > moment, since our main limit is not money but time. And more programmers ;) > > Simon |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2011-11-20 20:57:27
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/13/2011 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: > http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php > > After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run > through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of resentment. The > community funding model does not match the user expectations. Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive. However since I'll have very little time till April and since nobody did have much time in the past few months this probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive great in the past it's structures can't hold all of Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in Randa. So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you sell refactoring? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster > <sim...@gm...> wrote: >> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? >>> >>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks for the >>> will to take care of this! >>> >>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend this time >>> on Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just in case. I'd also >>> like to hear opinions from the others about how money donated >>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else would also be >>> able to spend some time on Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? >>> >>>> >>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a good >>>> reason to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is waaay past >>>> proof of concept. Users can test drive it for themselves. We >>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0. I can speak to >>>> that personally since I haven't been developing but it's a >>>> thought. >>> >>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so we >>> don't frustrate anyone. >> >> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too honest. Others >> promise a better world and want money before they even know how >> to do it. >> >> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What about >> putting just your 2 months on kickstarter as soon as you know you >> can spend your time on I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere between April (including) and July (including). >> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help us too >> much at the moment, since our main limit is not money but time. >> And more programmers ;) Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some work. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7JaaMACgkQzwEyz7QP6nRbsACgk6V+u+3QK9RuR1tHMTNqOQmV JJsAoMU/e3pCRpvWMM+UGeVU6RXVDp9L =+aHv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Simon A. E. <sim...@gm...> - 2011-11-21 15:00:01
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On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/13/2011 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: >> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php >> >> After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run >> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of resentment. The >> community funding model does not match the user expectations. Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to work on its features: > Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full time on > Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features (definitely no special > effects though ;)). Such a defined goal would probably make a fund > raising more attractive. However since I'll have very little time till > April and since nobody did have much time in the past few months this > probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big features to > the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive great in the past it's > structures can't hold all of Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what > we concluded in Randa. See? ;) That's how I'd sell it. And maybe add a little more, like: Which features would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done? Is stability increased as well? What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important to mention) Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think it would make sense if * we other devs would again look at the code and check what could be improved in the code * someone external did a code review (if we find volunteers) before you start working? Simon > So I would have to work on refactoring. But how > do you sell refactoring? > >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster >> <sim...@gm...> wrote: >>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? >>>> >>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks for the >>>> will to take care of this! >>>> >>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend this time >>>> on Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just in case. I'd also >>>> like to hear opinions from the others about how money donated >>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else would also be >>>> able to spend some time on Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a good >>>>> reason to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is waaay past >>>>> proof of concept. Users can test drive it for themselves. We >>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0. I can speak to >>>>> that personally since I haven't been developing but it's a >>>>> thought. >>>> >>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so we >>>> don't frustrate anyone. >>> >>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too honest. Others >>> promise a better world and want money before they even know how >>> to do it. >>> >>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What about >>> putting just your 2 months on kickstarter as soon as you know you >>> can spend your time on > > I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere between April > (including) and July (including). > >>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help us too >>> much at the moment, since our main limit is not money but time. >>> And more programmers ;) > > Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some work. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk7JaaMACgkQzwEyz7QP6nRbsACgk6V+u+3QK9RuR1tHMTNqOQmV > JJsAoMU/e3pCRpvWMM+UGeVU6RXVDp9L > =+aHv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel |
From: Simon A. E. <sim...@gm...> - 2012-01-19 21:58:45
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On 01/19/2012 08:41 PM, Till Theato wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/09/2012 01:02 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >> Are there any folks at the top of Kdenlive that are based out of >> the U.S.? >> >> I'm just thinking for the sake of the account issue with >> Kickstarter. >> >> As for avoiding showing off features then that's fine. But perhaps >> we can mention videos that have broken ground, won awards or are >> simply popular and we made using Kdenlive? >> >> And yes, I'm down for collaberative effort on shooting interviews. >> >> >> Also, I may be able to get some interviews with people in the Open >> Source world, RedHat and Mozilla. Perhaps not directly kidenlive >> but commenting on the importantce of keeping FOSS projects like >> Kdenlive, alive. > > In general a good idea, but I would rather like to have a short video > getting to the point. What do the others think of this? People get bored very quickly today if a video is not straight on the point. Like, hey, I wanted to hear something about Kdenlive and not about FLOwhatever, and the video is clicked away and forgotten. We need to think about what people like to hear so it's like «wow, I absolutely need to support this project». But I'm on the wrong end of Kdenlive to know what this is ;) My opinion -- feel free to have a different one. Simon > What would be the next step then? Could you set up a rough script, so > that we can tell the people what they should talk about? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk8YcfkACgkQzwEyz7QP6nT0iwCfTegcmKabY09Rv/HFcLX0m/gX > aVYAn2D0KAKT0M3kvmxl1E9/TrdguPRe > =hQB3 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel |
From: Michael S. <mi...@os...> - 2012-01-19 22:59:13
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:58:35PM +0100, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > We need to think about what people like to hear so it's like ?wow, I > absolutely need to support this project?. > But I'm on the wrong end of Kdenlive to know what this is ;) I can ask my parents (who worked in the cinema throughout years) regarding some alpha/beta or concept. :) -- ---- WBR, Michael Shigorin <mi...@al...> ------ Linux.Kiev http://www.linux.kiev.ua/ |
From: Simon A. E. <sim...@gm...> - 2012-01-26 06:49:19
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On 01/19/2012 11:59 PM, Michael Shigorin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:58:35PM +0100, Simon A. Eugster wrote: >> We need to think about what people like to hear so it's like ?wow, I >> absolutely need to support this project?. >> But I'm on the wrong end of Kdenlive to know what this is ;) > > I can ask my parents (who worked in the cinema throughout years) > regarding some alpha/beta or concept. :) Sounds good -- Till, what do you think? And, did you already decide on Kickstarter vs IndieGoGo? Just to have some time for preparation in case we try. Semester will start again soon ;) Simon |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2012-01-27 21:31:37
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/25/2012 11:00 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > On 01/19/2012 11:59 PM, Michael Shigorin wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:58:35PM +0100, Simon A. Eugster >> wrote: >>> We need to think about what people like to hear so it's like >>> ?wow, I absolutely need to support this project?. But I'm on >>> the wrong end of Kdenlive to know what this is ;) >> >> I can ask my parents (who worked in the cinema throughout years) >> regarding some alpha/beta or concept. :) > > Sounds good -- Till, what do you think? Yes, please go ahead Michael and ask! Sounds like a great opportunity indeed. > And, did you already decide on Kickstarter vs IndieGoGo? To me IndieGoGo would be preferable because it allows non US bank accounts, however I'd like to hear some input from Ernie on that case... > > Just to have some time for preparation in case we try. Semester > will start again soon ;) Yes we definitely need to start soon. About 3 months to May. > > Simon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8jF5EACgkQzwEyz7QP6nQfOACeNF7uqR5sEqHmtMmqmpN0cDgl N+0AoJad2sQMw7Do3c6PKin2ydA5DBM3 =qOS8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Ernie Z. <ern...@gm...> - 2012-01-30 00:49:30
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This all sounds great. As for Indie Gogo VS Kickstarter. Indie lets keep whatever you earn. Gogo let's you keep whatever you earn where Kickstarter asks you to set a goal and you only get the funds if you meet or beat that goal. The benefit to Kickstarter, that I can think of, is that it's more widely known. This might help Kdenlive get more funding. -- Ernie Zahn.Com @erniezahn for twitter On Friday, January 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Till Theato wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/25/2012 11:00 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > > On 01/19/2012 11:59 PM, Michael Shigorin wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:58:35PM +0100, Simon A. Eugster > > > wrote: > > > > We need to think about what people like to hear so it's like > > > > ?wow, I absolutely need to support this project?. But I'm on > > > > the wrong end of Kdenlive to know what this is ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can ask my parents (who worked in the cinema throughout years) > > > regarding some alpha/beta or concept. :) > > > > > > > > > Sounds good -- Till, what do you think? > > Yes, please go ahead Michael and ask! Sounds like a great opportunity > indeed. > > > And, did you already decide on Kickstarter vs IndieGoGo? > > To me IndieGoGo would be preferable because it allows non US bank > accounts, however I'd like to hear some input from Ernie on that case... > > > > > Just to have some time for preparation in case we try. Semester > > will start again soon ;) > > > > > Yes we definitely need to start soon. About 3 months to May. > > > > > Simon > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk8jF5EACgkQzwEyz7QP6nQfOACeNF7uqR5sEqHmtMmqmpN0cDgl > N+0AoJad2sQMw7Do3c6PKin2ydA5DBM3 > =qOS8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Try before you buy = See our experts in action! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... (mailto:Kde...@li...) > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > > |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2011-12-23 13:47:57
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:11 PM, > Dan Dennedy wrote: >>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php >>>> >>>> >>>> After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run >>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of resentment. >>>> The community funding model does not match the user >>>> expectations. > >> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to work on its >> features: > > Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full time on > Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features (definitely no > special effects though ;)). Such a defined goal would probably make > a fund raising more attractive. However since I'll have very little > time till April and since nobody did have much time in the past few > months this probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any > big features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive > great in the past it's structures can't hold all of Kdenlive's > features anymore. That's what we concluded in Randa. > >> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it. If you think that'll convince potential donators... >> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features would/could you >> add afterwards, when refactoring is done? Is stability increased >> as well? Well, I personally probably won't be available much afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new features. But of course we can mention the plans you others have. >> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow have >> git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that I read it >> again, maybe the last point is not so important to mention) > >> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think it would >> make sense if * we other devs would again look at the code and >> check what could be improved in the code * someone external did a >> code review (if we find volunteers) before you start working? Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive. > >> Simon > > So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you sell > refactoring? > >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster >>>> <sim...@gm...> wrote: >>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? >>>>>> >>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks >>>>>> for the will to take care of this! >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend >>>>>> this time on Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just in >>>>>> case. I'd also like to hear opinions from the others >>>>>> about how money donated to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe >>>>>> someone else would also be able to spend some time on >>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is a >>>>>>> good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is public and is >>>>>>> waaay past proof of concept. Users can test drive it >>>>>>> for themselves. We could advertise at as funding for >>>>>>> version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since I >>>>>>> haven't been developing but it's a thought. >>>>>> >>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so >>>>>> we don't frustrate anyone. >>>>> >>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too honest. >>>>> Others promise a better world and want money before they >>>>> even know how to do it. >>>>> >>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What >>>>> about putting just your 2 months on kickstarter as soon as >>>>> you know you can spend your time on > > I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere between > April (including) and July (including). > >>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help us >>>>> too much at the moment, since our main limit is not money >>>>> but time. And more programmers ;) > > Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some work. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk70hm8ACgkQzwEyz7QP6nQZZwCgjx3KEVzJAXq577WmwaT1WcvC hUoAoOE/y35tHoL6OPcEF1c9bsZ0gSTc =ZwBz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2012-01-06 20:54:58
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your idea developed into? On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote: > On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: >> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:11 >> PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: >>>>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run >>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of resentment. >>>>> The community funding model does not match the user >>>>> expectations. > >>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to work on >>> its features: > >> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full time on >> Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features (definitely no >> special effects though ;)). Such a defined goal would probably >> make a fund raising more attractive. However since I'll have very >> little time till April and since nobody did have much time in the >> past few months this probably won't work out. I am not willing to >> add any big features to the existing code. While it has served >> Kdenlive great in the past it's structures can't hold all of >> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in Randa. > >>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it. > > If you think that'll convince potential donators... > >>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features would/could >>> you add afterwards, when refactoring is done? Is stability >>> increased as well? > > Well, I personally probably won't be available much afterwards and > therefore won't be able to add any new features. But of course we > can mention the plans you others have. > >>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow have >>> git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that I read it >>> again, maybe the last point is not so important to mention) > >>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think it >>> would make sense if * we other devs would again look at the >>> code and check what could be improved in the code * someone >>> external did a code review (if we find volunteers) before you >>> start working? > > Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on the > general approach to refactoring Kdenlive. > > >>> Simon > >> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you sell >> refactoring? > >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster >>>>> <sim...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks >>>>>>> for the will to take care of this! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend >>>>>>> this time on Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just >>>>>>> in case. I'd also like to hear opinions from the >>>>>>> others about how money donated to Kdenlive should be >>>>>>> used. Maybe someone else would also be able to spend >>>>>>> some time on Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is >>>>>>>> a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is public and >>>>>>>> is waaay past proof of concept. Users can test drive >>>>>>>> it for themselves. We could advertise at as funding >>>>>>>> for version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since >>>>>>>> I haven't been developing but it's a thought. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so >>>>>>> we don't frustrate anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too >>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want money >>>>>> before they even know how to do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What >>>>>> about putting just your 2 months on kickstarter as soon >>>>>> as you know you can spend your time on > >> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere between >> April (including) and July (including). > >>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help >>>>>> us too much at the moment, since our main limit is not >>>>>> money but time. And more programmers ;) > >> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some work. >>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8HX4AACgkQzwEyz7QP6nTjqACeLqYoEXIKsabDUYxVvqSxM0id /cYAn2Jb9dzjUnqAZnjiC12b6l4qA/Pt =Z1h/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: Ernie Z. <ern...@gm...> - 2012-01-07 03:53:40
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Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months. I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers and users etc. We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best features. Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here interested in being interviewed, thatd be great. On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <ro...@tt...> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > @Ernie: Are you still around here? > What do you think of what your idea developed into? > > > On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote: > > On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > >> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011 09:11 > >> PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: > >>>>> > http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run > >>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of resentment. > >>>>> The community funding model does not match the user > >>>>> expectations. > > > >>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to work on > >>> its features: > > > >> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full time on > >> Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features (definitely no > >> special effects though ;)). Such a defined goal would probably > >> make a fund raising more attractive. However since I'll have very > >> little time till April and since nobody did have much time in the > >> past few months this probably won't work out. I am not willing to > >> add any big features to the existing code. While it has served > >> Kdenlive great in the past it's structures can't hold all of > >> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in Randa. > > > >>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it. > > > > If you think that'll convince potential donators... > > > >>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features would/could > >>> you add afterwards, when refactoring is done? Is stability > >>> increased as well? > > > > Well, I personally probably won't be available much afterwards and > > therefore won't be able to add any new features. But of course we > > can mention the plans you others have. > > > >>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow have > >>> git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that I read it > >>> again, maybe the last point is not so important to mention) > > > >>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think it > >>> would make sense if * we other devs would again look at the > >>> code and check what could be improved in the code * someone > >>> external did a code review (if we find volunteers) before you > >>> start working? > > > > Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on the > > general approach to refactoring Kdenlive. > > > > > >>> Simon > > > >> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you sell > >> refactoring? > > > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster > >>>>> <sim...@gm...> wrote: > >>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: > >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: > >>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script then? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but thanks > >>>>>>> for the will to take care of this! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to spend > >>>>>>> this time on Kdenlive, so we need an alternative just > >>>>>>> in case. I'd also like to hear opinions from the > >>>>>>> others about how money donated to Kdenlive should be > >>>>>>> used. Maybe someone else would also be able to spend > >>>>>>> some time on Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did one is > >>>>>>>> a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is public and > >>>>>>>> is waaay past proof of concept. Users can test drive > >>>>>>>> it for themselves. We could advertise at as funding > >>>>>>>> for version 1.0. I can speak to that personally since > >>>>>>>> I haven't been developing but it's a thought. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to much, so > >>>>>>> we don't frustrate anyone. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too > >>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want money > >>>>>> before they even know how to do it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. What > >>>>>> about putting just your 2 months on kickstarter as soon > >>>>>> as you know you can spend your time on > > > >> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere between > >> April (including) and July (including). > > > >>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would help > >>>>>> us too much at the moment, since our main limit is not > >>>>>> money but time. And more programmers ;) > > > >> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some work. > >>> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk8HX4AACgkQzwEyz7QP6nTjqACeLqYoEXIKsabDUYxVvqSxM0id > /cYAn2Jb9dzjUnqAZnjiC12b6l4qA/Pt > =Z1h/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex > infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to > virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual > desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure > costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > |
From: Till T. <ro...@tt...> - 2012-01-08 21:04:30
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/07/2012 04:53 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote: > Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months. > > I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of > kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers > and users etc. Yep, sounds great. Maybe we could also show a quick sequence of some articles on Kdenlive? When speaking of users we could maybe directly ask some people who are active on kdenlive.org for a long time, or who published articles/videos on or great videos done with Kdenlive? > > We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best > features. Hm, I guess we'll have to drop that one. The effects we have are not sophisticated enough to show them off and our main business, editing/cutting, should not be noticeable in the final result at all :). Some pans over the GUI during the interviews instead? But maybe I'm just to negative again ;) > > Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here > interested in being interviewed, thatd be great. At least none of the developers. But since we probably all have cameras this could probably also be done in a distributed manner. With most of the developers living in Europe another problem arises: Kickstarter (if we want to use it) requires a US bank account... > On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <ro...@tt...> wrote: > > @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your > idea developed into? > > > On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote: >>>> On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: >>>>> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011 >>>>> 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: >>>>>>>> > http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> > > After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run >>>>>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of >>>>>>>> resentment. The community funding model does not >>>>>>>> match the user expectations. >>>> >>>>>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to >>>>>> work on its features: >>>> >>>>> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full >>>>> time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features >>>>> (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined >>>>> goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive. >>>>> However since I'll have very little time till April and >>>>> since nobody did have much time in the past few months this >>>>> probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big >>>>> features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive >>>>> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of >>>>> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in >>>>> Randa. >>>> >>>>>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it. >>>> >>>> If you think that'll convince potential donators... >>>> >>>>>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features >>>>>> would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done? >>>>>> Is stability increased as well? >>>> >>>> Well, I personally probably won't be available much >>>> afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new >>>> features. But of course we can mention the plans you others >>>> have. >>>> >>>>>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow >>>>>> have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that >>>>>> I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important >>>>>> to mention) >>>> >>>>>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think >>>>>> it would make sense if * we other devs would again look >>>>>> at the code and check what could be improved in the code >>>>>> * someone external did a code review (if we find >>>>>> volunteers) before you start working? >>>> >>>> Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on >>>> the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Simon >>>> >>>>> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you >>>>> sell refactoring? >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster >>>>>>>> <sim...@gm...> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: >>>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script >>>>>>>>>>> then? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the will to take care of this! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to >>>>>>>>>> spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an >>>>>>>>>> alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear >>>>>>>>>> opinions from the others about how money donated >>>>>>>>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else >>>>>>>>>> would also be able to spend some time on >>>>>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did >>>>>>>>>>> one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is >>>>>>>>>>> public and is waaay past proof of concept. >>>>>>>>>>> Users can test drive it for themselves. We >>>>>>>>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0. >>>>>>>>>>> I can speak to that personally since I haven't >>>>>>>>>>> been developing but it's a thought. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to >>>>>>>>>> much, so we don't frustrate anyone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too >>>>>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want >>>>>>>>> money before they even know how to do it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. >>>>>>>>> What about putting just your 2 months on >>>>>>>>> kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your >>>>>>>>> time on >>>> >>>>> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere >>>>> between April (including) and July (including). >>>> >>>>>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would >>>>>>>>> help us too much at the moment, since our main >>>>>>>>> limit is not money but time. And more programmers >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>> >>>>> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some >>>>> work. >>>>>> >>>> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8KBL0ACgkQzwEyz7QP6nTisQCgx0VrV6kc+bGnXUz9XFhU8ryh qKEAoMUM8MiVQs9589YS+FU+IIq8RvDu =Sp2y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
From: wille <wil...@gm...> - 2012-01-08 23:56:51
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Hi all I think it is a great idea raise funds on Kickstarter and I'll do my best to spread the campaign in Brazil. Best regards, wille 2012/1/8 Till Theato <ro...@tt...> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/07/2012 04:53 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote: > > Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months. > > > > I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of > > kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers > > and users etc. > > Yep, sounds great. > Maybe we could also show a quick sequence of some articles on Kdenlive? > > When speaking of users we could maybe directly ask some people who are > active on kdenlive.org for a long time, or who published > articles/videos on or great videos done with Kdenlive? > > > > > We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best > > features. > > Hm, I guess we'll have to drop that one. The effects we have are not > sophisticated enough to show them off and our main business, > editing/cutting, should not be noticeable in the final result at all > :). Some pans over the GUI during the interviews instead? > But maybe I'm just to negative again ;) > > > > > Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here > > interested in being interviewed, thatd be great. > > At least none of the developers. But since we probably all have > cameras this could probably also be done in a distributed manner. > > With most of the developers living in Europe another problem arises: > Kickstarter (if we want to use it) requires a US bank account... > > > > On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <ro...@tt...> wrote: > > > > @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your > > idea developed into? > > > > > > On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote: > >>>> On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > >>>>> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011 > >>>>> 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: > >>>>>>>> > > > http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > > After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run > >>>>>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of > >>>>>>>> resentment. The community funding model does not > >>>>>>>> match the user expectations. > >>>> > >>>>>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to > >>>>>> work on its features: > >>>> > >>>>> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full > >>>>> time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features > >>>>> (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined > >>>>> goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive. > >>>>> However since I'll have very little time till April and > >>>>> since nobody did have much time in the past few months this > >>>>> probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big > >>>>> features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive > >>>>> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of > >>>>> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in > >>>>> Randa. > >>>> > >>>>>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it. > >>>> > >>>> If you think that'll convince potential donators... > >>>> > >>>>>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features > >>>>>> would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done? > >>>>>> Is stability increased as well? > >>>> > >>>> Well, I personally probably won't be available much > >>>> afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new > >>>> features. But of course we can mention the plans you others > >>>> have. > >>>> > >>>>>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow > >>>>>> have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that > >>>>>> I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important > >>>>>> to mention) > >>>> > >>>>>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think > >>>>>> it would make sense if * we other devs would again look > >>>>>> at the code and check what could be improved in the code > >>>>>> * someone external did a code review (if we find > >>>>>> volunteers) before you start working? > >>>> > >>>> Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on > >>>> the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> Simon > >>>> > >>>>> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you > >>>>> sell refactoring? > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster > >>>>>>>> <sim...@gm...> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script > >>>>>>>>>>> then? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but > >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the will to take care of this! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to > >>>>>>>>>> spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an > >>>>>>>>>> alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear > >>>>>>>>>> opinions from the others about how money donated > >>>>>>>>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else > >>>>>>>>>> would also be able to spend some time on > >>>>>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did > >>>>>>>>>>> one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is > >>>>>>>>>>> public and is waaay past proof of concept. > >>>>>>>>>>> Users can test drive it for themselves. We > >>>>>>>>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0. > >>>>>>>>>>> I can speak to that personally since I haven't > >>>>>>>>>>> been developing but it's a thought. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to > >>>>>>>>>> much, so we don't frustrate anyone. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too > >>>>>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want > >>>>>>>>> money before they even know how to do it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. > >>>>>>>>> What about putting just your 2 months on > >>>>>>>>> kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your > >>>>>>>>> time on > >>>> > >>>>> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere > >>>>> between April (including) and July (including). > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would > >>>>>>>>> help us too much at the moment, since our main > >>>>>>>>> limit is not money but time. And more programmers > >>>>>>>>> ;) > >>>> > >>>>> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some > >>>>> work. > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk8KBL0ACgkQzwEyz7QP6nTisQCgx0VrV6kc+bGnXUz9XFhU8ryh > qKEAoMUM8MiVQs9589YS+FU+IIq8RvDu > =Sp2y > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex > infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to > virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual > desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure > costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > -- Wille http://wille.blog.br |
From: Ernie Z. <ern...@gm...> - 2012-01-09 00:03:00
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Are there any folks at the top of Kdenlive that are based out of the U.S.? I'm just thinking for the sake of the account issue with Kickstarter. As for avoiding showing off features then that's fine. But perhaps we can mention videos that have broken ground, won awards or are simply popular and we made using Kdenlive? And yes, I'm down for collaberative effort on shooting interviews. Also, I may be able to get some interviews with people in the Open Source world, RedHat and Mozilla. Perhaps not directly kidenlive but commenting on the importantce of keeping FOSS projects like Kdenlive, alive. -- Ernie Zahn.Com @erniezahn for twitter On Sunday, January 8, 2012 at 6:56 PM, wille wrote: > Hi all > > I think it is a great idea raise funds on Kickstarter and I'll do my best to spread the campaign in Brazil. > > Best regards, > wille > > > 2012/1/8 Till Theato <ro...@tt... (mailto:ro...@tt...)> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 01/07/2012 04:53 AM, Ernie Zahn wrote: > > > Heyhey. Im still here. Its been a really hectic couple of months. > > > > > > I think a 3 min expose on the mission, progress and prospects of > > > kdenlive would be perfect. Setting up interviews with developers > > > and users etc. > > > > Yep, sounds great. > > Maybe we could also show a quick sequence of some articles on Kdenlive? > > > > When speaking of users we could maybe directly ask some people who are > > active on kdenlive.org (http://kdenlive.org) for a long time, or who published > > articles/videos on or great videos done with Kdenlive? > > > > > > > > We can also feature clips from films that show off kdenlives best > > > features. > > > > Hm, I guess we'll have to drop that one. The effects we have are not > > sophisticated enough to show them off and our main business, > > editing/cutting, should not be noticeable in the final result at all > > :). Some pans over the GUI during the interviews instead? > > But maybe I'm just to negative again ;) > > > > > > > > Im based out of the NYC area so if theres anyone around here > > > interested in being interviewed, thatd be great. > > > > At least none of the developers. But since we probably all have > > cameras this could probably also be done in a distributed manner. > > > > With most of the developers living in Europe another problem arises: > > Kickstarter (if we want to use it) requires a US bank account... > > > > > > > On Jan 6, 2012 3:55 PM, "Till Theato" <ro...@tt... (mailto:ro...@tt...)> wrote: > > > > > > @Ernie: Are you still around here? What do you think of what your > > > idea developed into? > > > > > > > > > On 12/23/2011 02:47 PM, Till Theato wrote: > > >>>> On 11/21/2011 03:59 PM, Simon A. Eugster wrote: > > >>>>> On 11/20/2011 09:57 PM, Till Theato wrote: On 10/13/2011 > > >>>>> 09:11 PM, Dan Dennedy wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > > http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/10/the-state-of-diaspora-and-fund.php > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > After this and Novacut, I feel that most open source projects run > > >>>>>>>> through Kickstarter end up receiving a lot of > > >>>>>>>> resentment. The community funding model does not > > >>>>>>>> match the user expectations. > > >>>> > > >>>>>> Why we need to refactor Kdenlive before continuing to > > >>>>>> work on its features: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Additionally: When I first had the idea of working full > > >>>>> time on Kdenlive I thought about some neat new features > > >>>>> (definitely no special effects though ;)). Such a defined > > >>>>> goal would probably make a fund raising more attractive. > > >>>>> However since I'll have very little time till April and > > >>>>> since nobody did have much time in the past few months this > > >>>>> probably won't work out. I am not willing to add any big > > >>>>> features to the existing code. While it has served Kdenlive > > >>>>> great in the past it's structures can't hold all of > > >>>>> Kdenlive's features anymore. That's what we concluded in > > >>>>> Randa. > > >>>> > > >>>>>> See? ;) That's how I'd sell it. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you think that'll convince potential donators... > > >>>> > > >>>>>> And maybe add a little more, like: Which features > > >>>>>> would/could you add afterwards, when refactoring is done? > > >>>>>> Is stability increased as well? > > >>>> > > >>>> Well, I personally probably won't be available much > > >>>> afterwards and therefore won't be able to add any new > > >>>> features. But of course we can mention the plans you others > > >>>> have. > > >>>> > > >>>>>> What other benefits are there for the users? Does Granjow > > >>>>>> have git access as well now? (Yes, he does! :D) (Now that > > >>>>>> I read it again, maybe the last point is not so important > > >>>>>> to mention) > > >>>> > > >>>>>> Regarding the refactoring process itself. Do you think > > >>>>>> it would make sense if * we other devs would again look > > >>>>>> at the code and check what could be improved in the code > > >>>>>> * someone external did a code review (if we find > > >>>>>> volunteers) before you start working? > > >>>> > > >>>> Both ideas sound good. I also plan to publish some ideas on > > >>>> the general approach to refactoring Kdenlive. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>> Simon > > >>>> > > >>>>> So I would have to work on refactoring. But how do you > > >>>>> sell refactoring? > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Simon A. Eugster > > >>>>>>>> <sim...@gm... (mailto:sim...@gm...)> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On 19.09.2011 19:32, Till Theato wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 09/17/2011 11:10 PM, Ernie Zahn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Simon Sounds great! I'll draft a script > > >>>>>>>>>>> then? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Wait, wait, wait ... (just a little bit ;)) but > > >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the will to take care of this! > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> There is no 100% certainty that I'll be able to > > >>>>>>>>>> spend this time on Kdenlive, so we need an > > >>>>>>>>>> alternative just in case. I'd also like to hear > > >>>>>>>>>> opinions from the others about how money donated > > >>>>>>>>>> to Kdenlive should be used. Maybe someone else > > >>>>>>>>>> would also be able to spend some time on > > >>>>>>>>>> Kdenlive? Maybe Hardware? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> @Till, I think the fact that Novacut just did > > >>>>>>>>>>> one is a good reason to do one now. Kdenlive is > > >>>>>>>>>>> public and is waaay past proof of concept. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Users can test drive it for themselves. We > > >>>>>>>>>>> could advertise at as funding for version 1.0. > > >>>>>>>>>>> I can speak to that personally since I haven't > > >>>>>>>>>>> been developing but it's a thought. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> We then have to make sure we don't promise to > > >>>>>>>>>> much, so we don't frustrate anyone. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hehe. Sometimes I wonder if we at kdenlive are too > > >>>>>>>>> honest. Others promise a better world and want > > >>>>>>>>> money before they even know how to do it. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I saw some smaller projects on kickstarter as well. > > >>>>>>>>> What about putting just your 2 months on > > >>>>>>>>> kickstarter as soon as you know you can spend your > > >>>>>>>>> time on > > >>>> > > >>>>> I will be able to work on it for 8-10 weeks somewhere > > >>>>> between April (including) and July (including). > > >>>> > > >>>>>>>>> doing it? I'm not sure if a bigger campaign would > > >>>>>>>>> help us too much at the moment, since our main > > >>>>>>>>> limit is not money but time. And more programmers > > >>>>>>>>> ;) > > >>>> > > >>>>> Even at this scale it will definitely require quite some > > >>>>> work. > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > > > iEYEARECAAYFAk8KBL0ACgkQzwEyz7QP6nTisQCgx0VrV6kc+bGnXUz9XFhU8ryh > > qKEAoMUM8MiVQs9589YS+FU+IIq8RvDu > > =Sp2y > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex > > infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to > > virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual > > desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure > > costs. 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From: Dan D. <da...@de...> - 2012-01-09 07:27:47
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2012/1/8 Ernie Zahn <ern...@gm...>: > Are there any folks at the top of Kdenlive that are based out of the U.S.? > I'm just thinking for the sake of the account issue with Kickstarter. I am. But I need to look at the tax implications. I will have to accept the funds as personal income or income to my company Meltytech LLC. Then, I will have to pay Till and whomever else. I have to get some tax help soon anyways, and I can ask about this - to figure out how much of the pledges will need to be set aside to pay taxes. I believe you may need to offer some kind of rewards on a Kickstarter project. Something else for you guys to discuss. -- +-DRD-+ |
From: Ernie Z. <ern...@gm...> - 2012-01-09 12:47:50
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Id be happy to advise. I raised $5,000 on kickstarter last year for my film. On Jan 9, 2012 2:28 AM, "Dan Dennedy" <da...@de...> wrote: > 2012/1/8 Ernie Zahn <ern...@gm...>: > > Are there any folks at the top of Kdenlive that are based out of the > U.S.? > > I'm just thinking for the sake of the account issue with Kickstarter. > > I am. But I need to look at the tax implications. I will have to > accept the funds as personal income or income to my company Meltytech > LLC. Then, I will have to pay > Till and whomever else. I have to get some tax help soon anyways, and > I can ask about this - to figure out how much of the pledges will need > to be set aside to pay taxes. > > I believe you may need to offer some kind of rewards on a Kickstarter > project. Something else for you guys to discuss. > > -- > +-DRD-+ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex > infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to > virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual > desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure > costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox > _______________________________________________ > Kdenlive-devel mailing list > Kde...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/kdenlive-devel > |