[ jEdit-devel ] [ jedit-Bugs-1766853 ] View is not plain with -newplainview on first launch

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Bugs item #1766853, was opened at 2007-08-03 16:13
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Category: editor core
Group: normal bug
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 7
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Submitted By: Ben Golding (bgolding)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: View is not plain with -newplainview on first launch

Initial Comment:
jEdit 4.3pre10
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Create a shortcut to

"C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0\bin\javaw.exe" -jar "C:\Program Files\jEdit 4.3\jedit.jar" -newplainview C:\oneclick.txt

If jEdit is already running, it behaves as expected.

If jEdit is not yet running, the view which appears is not "plain" (it shows Console, Sidekick etc which were open from the previous session).

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>Comment By: Shlomy Reinstein (shlomy)
Date: 2007-09-10 12:05

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Ok, this requires a little bit of discussion:
1. Currently, if this is not the first time you run jEdit, the number of
views that are opened and their types (plain/normal) is determined by the
perspective.xml file that was saved when you last exited jEdit, in effect
restoring the state of jEdit as it was before you exited it the last time.
What you're asking is, provide an option to ignore perspective.xml, and
just open a plain view. Right?
2. I assume you want to always use the desktop shortcut that uses this
option. With your suggestion, if you use the shortcut when jEdit is not
running, it will open a plain view. But what if you click the shortcut when
jEdit is already running? Do you expect it to open yet another plain view
(like it does now), or not? You won't be able to combine '-newplainview'
with '-reuseview' on the same command line in order to make it behave
differently when jEdit is running or not.

Maybe we should open a small discussion in jedit-users (or jedit-devel)
about some clearer names for these options, and keep the current behavior
of the existing options for backward compatibility (if at all needed)?



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Comment By: Ben Golding (bgolding)
Date: 2007-09-10 11:51

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Shlomy, I disagree this is a docs bug. Let me try to explain. In my
scenario, I'm using -newplainview in a windows shortcut, to launch a
"simple" version of the jEdit window, instead of using Notepad etc. This is
for use by users who might not be familiar with jEdit. Generally jEdit will
not be running at this point. The problem is, currently there is a lot of
clutter such as HyperSearch docked windows etc. from the last use by a
"power user" (me). This might confuse the inexperienced user.

You say -newplainview is only meaningful when jEdit is already running.
Okay, now let's give it a useful meaning when jEdit is NOT running :-) This
won't change the semantics when jEdit is already running.

Regarding -reuseview, this has the effect of NOT opening a new view, if
there is already one which can be used. If you are launching jEdit for the
first time, this switch has no effect.

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Comment By: Shlomy Reinstein (shlomy)
Date: 2007-09-08 23:21

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The problem here is actually with the documentation, I think.
"-newplainview" is only meaningful when jEdit is already running, it is
meant to be the opposite of "-reuseview": Open a new plain view rather than
reuse and "bring to top" the existing one.

That's the way it was designed to be. If it's agreed that this is okay,
let me know and I'll just update the docs. If not, we should change the
implementation to make it effective also when jedit is not running (what is
"-reuseview" then?).




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