From: Adrian Brock <adrian_brock@jb...> - 2005-06-24 01:30:35
On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 21:12, Scott M Stark wrote:
> So while I agree in principal with simply boycotting the specs, this
> essentially would give away this area to the spec author vendors. So it
> looks like the only way to do an unfettered implementation is to employ
> the old reverse engineering hacking of old without any reference to the
Reverse engineering doesn't protect you from patent violation.
Getting a license from MS does - until they decide to revoke it
or change it.
What you going to do, take them to court? Although we'd
have a pretty big class action of the all the JBoss users. :-).
> Adrian Brock wrote:
> >IANAL, etc.
> >Section 2.3 of Microsoft's license is incompatible with the
> >terms of the LGPL/GPL and also the section that allows the license
> >to be revoked.
> >It is also incompatible with section 7 of OSI in general
> >Microsoft have a strange definition of "nondiscrimantory"
> >I guess that should be "MSnondiscrimantory" :-)
> >My gut reaction is to not implement encumbered specs.
> >I'd recommend you proceed by making it possible to plugin a WS-Security
> >implementation into JBoss WS. But how you go about implementing
> >an OSI compatible WS-Security I can't fathom.
> >Which probably means it cannot be distributed via sourceforge.
> >Although there are WS-Security implementations on sourceforge,
> >so what do I know?
> >If I read the MS license correctly, it would be possible to
> >have a public cvs and download on a JBoss machine, but anybody
> >that wanted to distribute or use the implementation (source or binary)
> >would have to get a license from MS (ableit royalty free).
> >i.e. we would have to use a non OSI compatible license.
> >We would also have to restrict cvs r/w access to MS licensees.
> >The patents problem is a non-issue in my mind.
> >If there really are valid patents (not defensive patents because the
> >US patent system is broken),
> >they are only valid against specific business/industrial processes,
> >which would take a court a lot of streching to attach to
> >"the security of a generic RPC invocation".
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