Re: [Gramps-devel] [Gramps-users] Confidence Levels in Citations??

[Tony P. <to...@pr...>]

Enno maybe won't like this but the terms are in agreement with those in Evidence Explained as far as possible.  :-)

Of course, the formal terms used in a database or file-format do not have to correspond to what an end-user sees or enters. Hence, the choice of formal terms should not be an issue for non-English speakers.

    Tony
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Benny Malengier 
  To: Tony Proctor 
  Cc: Peter Trowles ; Florian Teply ; Gramps-Users ; Gramps Development List 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [Gramps-devel] [Gramps-users] Confidence Levels in Citations??







  2013/9/24 Tony Proctor <to...@pr...>

    This is probably a little OT but have the Gramps developers considered
    adding more flexibility here? Maybe I'm along but I find a single value
    (incl. the GEDCOM integer values) a little restricted.




  The values in Gramps map to the GEDCOM values, so that is off course the reason why those.

  More values via attributes possible, but indeed, not a system you can build upon if not integrated in Gramps. 

  I find the terms you chose here confusing as non-English native, in the sense that there seems to be quite some overlap. Perhaps Format instead of Quality? And for reliability more 'Sourcing'? I'd move the last of your Quality also to the Sourcing section then.



  Benny


    In STEMMA V2, I added 3 distinct properties to represent the assessment of a
    source/citation (entities which STEMMA generalises). I present the
    properties and their values here just in case they sound like something that
    might be worth discussing.

    Credibility - Expert Information from someone with relevant expertise.
    Credibility - Questionable. Questionable credibility of information, as in
    interviews and oral genealogies, or with potential for bias as in an
    autobiography.
    Credibility - Trusted. Information from a trusted source.
    Credibility - Unsubstantiated claims or opinions.

    Quality - Original. Material in its original recorded form.
    Quality - Copy. Facsimile of original, e.g. image copy, certified copy.
    Quality - Derivative. Manipulated version of original, e.g. translation,
    abstract, extract.
    Quality - Authored. Narrative work using other sources but providing
    independent conclusions.

    Reliability - Primary. Details provided by someone with first-hand
    knowledge.
    Reliability - Secondary. Details provided by someone with second-hand or
    more-distance knowledge.

    Unknown - Unknown or unspecified assessment.

        Tony Proctor


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Peter Trowles" <pet...@bt...>
    To: "Florian Teply" <onl...@we...>; "Gramps-Users"
    <gra...@li...>
    Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:46 PM
    Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Confidence Levels in Citations??


    > You can create different citations that refer to the different pieces of
    > information in the source. So, to use your example, instead of having just
    > one citation to Volume 5, Page 117, you could have:
    >
    > Citation 1 - Volume 5 Page 117 Column 1 (Name of Child) - Confidence: Very
    > High
    > Citation 2 - Volume 5 Page 117 Column 3 (Name of Father) - Confidence: Low
    >
    > Peter.
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Florian Teply" <onl...@we...>
    > To: "Gramps-Users" <gra...@li...>
    > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:12 PM
    > Subject: [Gramps-users] Confidence Levels in Citations??
    >
    >
    >>I keep running across situations where I would like to note different
    >> levels of confidence on data drawn from a single source citation.
    >>
    >> Namely, I'm working with church birth records, and they occasionally
    >> (actually, that's more often than not) have additions noted at a later
    >> date. In some cases, this is the later addition of the father to a
    >> baptization record where the child was born to an unmarried woman,
    >> either on the request of the father or because of later marriage
    >> of the parents. Or the death being noted on the birth record,
    >> with varying degrees of accuracy.
    >>
    >> To my understanding, in gramps the confidence level is tied to the
    >> citation in the sense that it actually applies to the very page where
    >> the information is retrieved from, and not to the information itself.
    >> So, if I select confidence level high for, say, Volume 5 Page 117 of
    >> the Birth record of Locality X, I implicitly grade all information that
    >> is on that page to be accurate above average. However, in reality, the
    >> information regarding the event itself usually is highly reliable,
    >> while, for example, the information on the origin or occupation of the
    >> grandparents can be pretty vague, especially if they came from a
    >> distant area. How do you handle that?
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >> Florian
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