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Re: [Gramps-users] > Query> Person Notes not including>

[<bri...@gm...>]

Hi, first.. I hope I'm "in the right place" to mail for assistance? Please
re-direct accordingly.

 

2 queries.

 

One relates to my own "person-notes"..when printing "detailed ancestral
report" my own notes do not appear.

If I  print an individual report..they do.  All others appear to be fine.
Why ..and how to fix.

 

2nd.how to get addresses to show.in "detailed ancestral report"?  and can I
link images to those addresses?

(Meaning that.I have inserted addresses-and-images and they too don't
show?...what am I not doing?) 

 

Thanks. 

Brian.

 

 

 

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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Charlie P. <cha...@gm...>]

Also a lurker. :-)

I suspect that a large part of the diversity of expectations is
generational - amusingly appropriate for this particular list.

Those of us who were using mail lists 50 years ago have a set of
expectations which doesn't match that of those who grew up using the world
wide web. Taking myself as an example...

* I assume everyone on a list knows who I am - or at least my name and
email address. If I participate actively, they will get to know lots of
other things.
* I don't expect a lot of features, like topical breakdowns, which might be
found on a forum.
* I assume that I have to handle my own subscription using the more or less
standard email interface.
* I also know that different listservs have slightly different conventions
for management, which I expect to find in a footer.

I'd venture to guess that anyone using a mail list rather than some more
recent comm channel, like a forum or chat interface, is doing so through
personal preference.

Charlie

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 10:28 AM Deborah Bennett <de...@al...>
wrote:

> Long time lurker here.
>
> Email list servers and which one gramps-users should use is a valid
> subject of discussion. However, I believe it would be prudent to open a new
> thread or move it into a smaller off line discussion with someone reporting
> back here to the larger list.
>
> As a veteran of several discussions like this (vi vs emacs comes to mind),
> I’d like to see fewer opinions like “I had a bad experience with xyz” and
> more like “that list server does not maintain good archives and the admin
> interface is clumsy”. I am seeing that different users have different
> expectations about what a list server should do, and their opinions about
> whether a list server is good or bad are colored by those expectations.
>
> And just for my personal side note, I am on a couple of groups.io  lists
> and I maintain one. For our purposes of general email with reasonable
> subscription mechanics, they are reliable and work fine.
>
> -deborah bennett
>
> Please update your contacts list with my new address de...@zi...
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Peter Flynn <pe...@si...> wrote:
> >
> > On 18/09/2023 14:14, Nick Hall via Gramps-users wrote:
> >>> On 18/09/2023 09:38, Peter Flynn wrote:
> >>> I wonder what the "privacy reasons" were.
> >> I'm not sure.  When I go to the user management section it displays
> >> the message:
> >> ---
> >>> [...] it is no longer possible for project admins to view the
> >>> member emails of their mailing lists.
> >
> > Ambiguous: I wonder do they mean "email messages" or "email addresses"?
> >
> >>> The SourceForge mailinglist admin pages for your project will allow
> >>> you to remove a specific email address
> >
> > That sounds right...
> >
> >> Using the admin page to remove an email address always gives the same
> >> response:
> >> "If that email address was on the list, it has now been
> >> unsubscribed."
> >
> > ...except that it's clearly untrue wrt Ken's address.
> >
> >> This policy also makes migration to another provider difficult. The
> >> best we could do is announce the new list address in the old list.
> >
> > Yes, if you can't get a list of all subscribers, the game is up.
> >
> > However, their excuse:
> >
> >>> As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy
> >>> requirements around the world,
> >
> > sounds like they are using the GDPR as an excuse. Admins are permitted
> to see subject data, otherwise by now the entire planet's IT would have
> collapsed. I think sourceforge's worry is that they have no idea who the
> list admins are or what they would do. It's not the access that's the
> problem, it's the people having access :-)
> >
> > Peter
> >
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Re: [Gramps-users] Brothers Keeper

[Enno B. <enn...@gm...>]

Hello Wilmer,

> I am absolutely new to Gramps and have just downloaded the app. Before beginning, I am wondering if this app can upload Brothers Keeper files. Can anyone help me get started on bringing BK files into Gramps? Thank you!

Since Gramps can not read Brother's Keeper files, you need to create a 
GEDCOM file from your BK tree. And if you have more than one tree in BK, 
you must create GEDCOM files for all.

When you've done that, you can create a new tree in Gramps, and import 
the GEDCOM file(s) into that.

You may see errors when you do that, and they may be hard to avoid. I 
just looked at a tree that I once imported from BK 5.2, and in that, it 
seems that Gramps didn't understand page numbers found in sources.

You may see other types of errors when you work with BK 7.5.

Regards,

Enno

Re: [Gramps-users] Brothers Keeper

[<Emy...@ya...>]

 There is a superficial discussion about trying to import a Brother's Keeper backup file on a Mac. (Which has 2 problems: Brother's Keeper doesn't have a Mac version; importing from BK needs to be done with GEDCOM, not backup files.) The thread suggests an approach.


Since 2020, the Discourse-based forum has become the preferred community-based Gramps support over the maillist. (Although the maillist archives have more archived answers.) 


https://gramps.discourse.group/t/importing-brothers-keeper-dt7-backup-files/2363 


    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:12:52 AM CDT, Bret Busby <br...@bu...> wrote:  
 
 On 18/9/23 23:52, Wilmer Fawcett wrote:
> I am absolutely new to Gramps and have just downloaded the app. Before beginning, I am wondering if this app can upload Brothers Keeper files. Can anyone help me get started on bringing BK files into Gramps? Thank you!
> 

If Brothers Keeper can export the data in GEDCOM file format, then 
GRAMPS can import the GEDCOM files.

It is the standard way of transferring data from one genealogy 
application to another, and, which, I believe, the GEDCOM standard was 
established.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Deborah B. <de...@al...>]

Long time lurker here. 

Email list servers and which one gramps-users should use is a valid subject of discussion. However, I believe it would be prudent to open a new thread or move it into a smaller off line discussion with someone reporting back here to the larger list. 

As a veteran of several discussions like this (vi vs emacs comes to mind), I’d like to see fewer opinions like “I had a bad experience with xyz” and more like “that list server does not maintain good archives and the admin interface is clumsy”. I am seeing that different users have different expectations about what a list server should do, and their opinions about whether a list server is good or bad are colored by those expectations. 

And just for my personal side note, I am on a couple of groups.io  lists and I maintain one. For our purposes of general email with reasonable subscription mechanics, they are reliable and work fine. 

-deborah bennett

Please update your contacts list with my new address de...@zi...
Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Peter Flynn <pe...@si...> wrote:
> 
> On 18/09/2023 14:14, Nick Hall via Gramps-users wrote:
>>> On 18/09/2023 09:38, Peter Flynn wrote:
>>> I wonder what the "privacy reasons" were.
>> I'm not sure.  When I go to the user management section it displays
>> the message:
>> ---
>>> [...] it is no longer possible for project admins to view the
>>> member emails of their mailing lists.
> 
> Ambiguous: I wonder do they mean "email messages" or "email addresses"?
> 
>>> The SourceForge mailinglist admin pages for your project will allow
>>> you to remove a specific email address 
> 
> That sounds right...
> 
>> Using the admin page to remove an email address always gives the same
>> response:
>> "If that email address was on the list, it has now been
>> unsubscribed."
> 
> ...except that it's clearly untrue wrt Ken's address.
> 
>> This policy also makes migration to another provider difficult. The
>> best we could do is announce the new list address in the old list.
> 
> Yes, if you can't get a list of all subscribers, the game is up.
> 
> However, their excuse:
> 
>>> As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy
>>> requirements around the world,
> 
> sounds like they are using the GDPR as an excuse. Admins are permitted to see subject data, otherwise by now the entire planet's IT would have collapsed. I think sourceforge's worry is that they have no idea who the list admins are or what they would do. It's not the access that's the problem, it's the people having access :-)
> 
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> 
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Re: [Gramps-users] Brothers Keeper

[J. A. C. <sof...@cr...>]

My mother and brother used Brothers Keeper for years before I started 
looking at Gramps around 2005.  My mother was able to export her data to 
a GEDCOM file which I then imported into Gramps with no problems.

On 9/18/23 10:52, Wilmer Fawcett wrote:
> I am absolutely new to Gramps and have just downloaded the app. Before beginning, I am wondering if this app can upload Brothers Keeper files. Can anyone help me get started on bringing BK files into Gramps? Thank you!
> 

Re: [Gramps-users] Brothers Keeper

[Bret B. <br...@bu...>]

On 18/9/23 23:52, Wilmer Fawcett wrote:
> I am absolutely new to Gramps and have just downloaded the app. Before beginning, I am wondering if this app can upload Brothers Keeper files. Can anyone help me get started on bringing BK files into Gramps? Thank you!
> 

If Brothers Keeper can export the data in GEDCOM file format, then 
GRAMPS can import the GEDCOM files.

It is the standard way of transferring data from one genealogy 
application to another, and, which, I believe, the GEDCOM standard was 
established.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

[Gramps-users] Brothers Keeper

[Wilmer F. <faw...@sh...>]

I am absolutely new to Gramps and have just downloaded the app. Before beginning, I am wondering if this app can upload Brothers Keeper files. Can anyone help me get started on bringing BK files into Gramps? Thank you!

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Peter F. <pe...@si...>]

On 18/09/2023 14:14, Nick Hall via Gramps-users wrote:
> On 18/09/2023 09:38, Peter Flynn wrote:
>> I wonder what the "privacy reasons" were.
> 
> I'm not sure.  When I go to the user management section it displays
> the message:
> 
> ---
>> [...] it is no longer possible for project admins to view the
>> member emails of their mailing lists.

Ambiguous: I wonder do they mean "email messages" or "email addresses"?

>> The SourceForge mailinglist admin pages for your project will allow
>> you to remove a specific email address 

That sounds right...

> Using the admin page to remove an email address always gives the same
> response:
> 
> "If that email address was on the list, it has now been
> unsubscribed."

...except that it's clearly untrue wrt Ken's address.

> This policy also makes migration to another provider difficult. The
> best we could do is announce the new list address in the old list.

Yes, if you can't get a list of all subscribers, the game is up.

However, their excuse:

>> As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy
>> requirements around the world,

sounds like they are using the GDPR as an excuse. Admins are permitted 
to see subject data, otherwise by now the entire planet's IT would have 
collapsed. I think sourceforge's worry is that they have no idea who the 
list admins are or what they would do. It's not the access that's the 
problem, it's the people having access :-)

Peter

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Brad R. <br...@fi...>]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 15:32:48 +0200
Enno Borgsteede <enn...@gm...> wrote:

Hello Enno,

>It's not that bad, and works exactly like this one. I'm on groups.io 
>too, and know Bret from at least one other list there, and it's just as 

I used to use groups.io when many of the Ancestry lists migrated there.
It was painful.  I left them all.  I've survived without ever since.  I
have no desire to try again.

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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Nick H. <ni...@gr...>]

On 18/09/2023 09:38, Peter Flynn wrote:
> So do all their lists now rely exclusively on the web interface for 
> users to unsubscribe themselves?

No.  You can also unsubscribe by sending an email to 
"gra...@li..." with the word "unsubscribe" 
in the subject line.  Send an email to this address with "help" in the 
subject lines for more details.

Alternatively you can send an email to 
"gra...@li...".  This should also 
unsubscribe you, but I haven't tested it.

Nick.

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Enno B. <enn...@gm...>]

Hello Brad,

> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:52:48 +0800
> Bret Busby <br...@bu...> wrote:
>
> Hello Bret,
>
>> moving the lists to groups.io, might be worthwhile.
> It's web forums with ML capability tacked on.  Disastrous.
>
> In short - No thank you.

It's not that bad, and works exactly like this one. I'm on groups.io 
too, and know Bret from at least one other list there, and it's just as 
easy to use as this list on SF, or the older ones on Yahoo.

Web forums have lots of different (sub)groups, which make them hard to 
use, and the email interface on Discourse is more complex too, so I see 
the point about forums in general. It does not apply to groups.io 
though, or Google groups for that matter.

Regards,

Enno

[Gramps-users] mailing lists (was: Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list)

[Janusz S. B. <js...@mi...>]

On Sun, Sep 17 2023 at 21:54 +01, Peter Flynn wrote:
> On 17/09/2023 15:42, Emyoulation--- via Gramps-users wrote:
>> It isn't orphaned per se.
> [...]
>>> On Sun, Sep 17 2023 at ?6:09 -07, Ken Lind wrote:
>>>> Take my name off this distribution list?
> [...]
>>> The list should have an owner, but I don't know how to contact
>>> him/her.
>
> I've no idea why people don't know this, but the link at the bottom of
> a MailMan list message contains a link to the list's web page where
> you can unsubscribe.
>
> I do confess to a personal preference for LISTSERV over MailMan, but
> only because I've been using it pretty much since its inception, and
> still administer some 20?30 LISTSERV lists. But LISTSERV costs money
> now, and MailMan is Open Source.

I'm familiar with LISTSERV and mailman, used to admistering some lists
onthem. I'm not familiar with groups.io.

Some time ago I tried Sympa

https://www.sympa.community/

and liked it very much. It would be my first choice.

Best regards

Janusz


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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Nick H. <ni...@gr...>]

On 18/09/2023 09:38, Peter Flynn wrote:
> I wonder what the "privacy reasons" were.

I'm not sure.  When I go to the user management section it displays the 
message:

---

Member emails are now private

As a result of the latest electronic messaging and privacy requirements 
around the world, SourceForge has implemented a number of changes that 
affect email privacy. One part of this is that it is no longer possible 
for project admins to view the member emails of their mailing lists.

The SourceForge mailinglist admin pages for your project will allow you 
to remove a specific email address and to change the moderated status of 
the subscribed emails.

---

Using the admin page to remove an email address always gives the same 
response:

"If that email address was on the list, it has now been unsubscribed."


This policy also makes migration to another provider difficult. The best 
we could do is announce the new list address in the old list.


Nick.

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Nick H. <ni...@gr...>]

On 17/09/2023 23:52, Bret Busby wrote:
> Whilst this list was previously quantified as having about 680 subscribers

There are currently 576 subscribers to this list.

Nick.

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Bret B. <br...@bu...>]

On 18/9/23 14:47, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:52:48 +0800
> Bret Busby <br...@bu...> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bret,
> 
>> moving the lists to groups.io, might be worthwhile.
> 
> It's web forums with ML capability tacked on.  Disastrous.
> 
> In short - No thank you.
> 
As a lists administrator and subscriber at groups.io , for a number of 
years, since Rootsweb was closed down by ancestry.com , after blackstone 
(a speculative investment company) implemented a hostile takeover of 
ancestry.com and changed its direction, resulting in the loss of about 
56,000 genealogy and family history mailing lists, and, a significant 
migration to groups.io (which probably led to the reduction of the limit 
on the number of subscribers of free hosted mailing list at groups.io , 
to 100), the above message is scurrilous.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Bret B. <br...@bu...>]

On 18/9/23 07:26, Jon Smith wrote:
> I don't know how many users there are like me.  I read what you post, 
> get tips from the occasional hyperlink to a project, but don't comment.  
> I'm certainly not a power programmer, so I'm just looking for tools that 
> someone creates that could be useful for me.
> 
> Just a perspective.

Yes, I understand.

People who subscribe to mailing lists, and, sit in the background, 
observing, but, not actively participating, are generally referred to as 
lurkers, without any aspersion on their nature.

I am also a lurker on a number of lists - it is a good way to monitor 
what is happening, and, to discover new and helpful information, that, 
sometimes, a person is not aware of the information, to ask about it, 
or, otherwise, it has not occurred to a person that the information 
might exist.

Sometimes, it can be difficult, to know how many lurkers want to stay, 
and, to stay as lurkers, and, how many are not really bothered as to 
whether they stay subscribed, and, some might have done something like 
subscribed from a new address, without unsubscribing the old address, 
and, some simply direct all mail from a mailing list, into a dead end 
folder, without ever seeing the messages. This is not an adverse 
reflection on lurkers, it is simply an observation of things that may 
occur on mailing lists.

It is unfortunate that sourceforge has deemed fit to eliminate necessary 
mailing list maintenance functionality from the mailing list, as, being 
a mailing list administrator or moderator, is a volunteer office, and, 
can be troublesome enough, without mailing lists hosts making the task 
more difficult than it needs to be.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Peter F. <pe...@si...>]

On 17/09/2023 23:08, Nick Hall via Gramps-users wrote:
> I am the list owner.

Are you in some sense authorised to call on the maintainers at 
sourceforge and explain the problem and get them to delete Ken's 
address? Or do they refuse to admit that their system is broken?

Peter

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Peter F. <pe...@si...>]

On 18/09/2023 07:47, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:52:48 +0800
> Bret Busby <br...@bu...> wrote:
> 
>> moving the lists to groups.io, might be worthwhile.
> 
> It's web forums with ML capability tacked on.  Disastrous.
> 
> In short - No thank you.

Ah. Useful, thanks. A mailing list needs to be robustly based on email 
technology. Bolting on email to a web model is a bad idea.

Peter

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Peter F. <pe...@si...>]

On 17/09/2023 23:08, Nick Hall via Gramps-users wrote:
> I am the list owner.

Congratulations :-)

> The user management option in the list administration was removed by
> SourceForge a few years ago for privacy reasons.
So do all their lists now rely exclusively on the web interface for 
users to unsubscribe themselves? This is a problem for people who get a 
new email address but lose access to their subscribed address before 
they have a chance to unsubscribe.

I wonder what the "privacy reasons" were.

> We can no longer see a list of our subscribers.  I did remove Ken
> Lind from the list, but have no way to know if this was successful.
> Perhaps we could think about self-hosting our mailing lists? They
> are quite low volume now.
A different list system would seem to be a good idea. The problem is 
usually continuity — sourceforge seemed like a good idea at the time.

On 17/09/2023 23:52, Bret Busby wrote:
> I wonder whether revisiting the idea that I previously suggested, of
> moving the lists to groups.io, might be worthwhile.
So long as it has robust list management and isn't going to disappear or 
be bought up by a predatory VC. They do have a Mailman migration tool. 
Keeping the archive of messages is probably important for users, 
especially newcomers, who want to search it to find helpful messages.

Peter

Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Brad R. <br...@fi...>]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 06:52:48 +0800
Bret Busby <br...@bu...> wrote:

Hello Bret,

>moving the lists to groups.io, might be worthwhile.

It's web forums with ML capability tacked on.  Disastrous.

In short - No thank you.

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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[<Emy...@ya...>]

 Maillist lurkers are welcome... but hard to count.

    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 09:08:17 PM CDT, Rikke Giles via Gramps-users <gra...@li...> wrote:  
 
 Me Too.

Rikke

On 9/17/23 18:07, Les B wrote:
> Same here
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Erickson <fre...@gm...>
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 10:43 AM
> To: gra...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list
>
> On 9/17/23 15:26, Jon Smith wrote:
>> I don't know how many users there are like me.  I read what you post, get tips from the occasional hyperlink to a project, but don't comment.  I'm certainly not a power programmer, so I'm just looking for tools that someone creates that could be useful for me.
>>
>> Just a perspective.
> Same here.
>
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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Rikke G. <rg...@ce...>]

Me Too.

Rikke

On 9/17/23 18:07, Les B wrote:
> Same here
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Erickson <fre...@gm...>
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 10:43 AM
> To: gra...@li...
> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list
>
> On 9/17/23 15:26, Jon Smith wrote:
>> I don't know how many users there are like me.  I read what you post, get tips from the occasional hyperlink to a project, but don't comment.  I'm certainly not a power programmer, so I'm just looking for tools that someone creates that could be useful for me.
>>
>> Just a perspective.
> Same here.
>
>
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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Les B <le...@li...>]

Same here

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Erickson <fre...@gm...>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 10:43 AM
To: gra...@li...
Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

On 9/17/23 15:26, Jon Smith wrote:
> I don't know how many users there are like me.  I read what you post, get tips from the occasional hyperlink to a project, but don't comment.  I'm certainly not a power programmer, so I'm just looking for tools that someone creates that could be useful for me.
>
> Just a perspective.

Same here.



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Re: [Gramps-users] Some guy that evidently wants to be removed from the mailing list

[Fred E. <fre...@gm...>]

On 9/17/23 15:26, Jon Smith wrote:
> I don't know how many users there are like me.  I read what you post, get tips from the occasional hyperlink to a project, but don't comment.  I'm certainly not a power programmer, so I'm just looking for tools that someone creates that could be useful for me.
> 
> Just a perspective.

Same here.