2010/10/5 Rob Healey <robhealey1@gmail.com>
Greetings:

I also have Finnish names in my ancestry, and will need the "farm name" field too!  What would be the best field to use for farm name as it becomes part of the person's name?

Something like:
Petter Anders Annason Wass E. Stenbacka

Here is the reference information:
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In Finland there were no last names for most. Children were given a first name and maybe a middle, but the final name like, Annason, is really a description of who the child belonged to. Usually, The father's name was given, as in Peter's son, (Peterson), ...but sometimes the mother's name was used as in this case, Petter Annason becouse Peter was illegitimate. There was no father's name to be given. and Petter's mom's name is Anna hence Anna's son. Because of this naming system, they found there were too many with the same name so the only way to tell one from the other is to also add the name which farm or parish  the came from. Petter Anders Annason came from the Wass Farm. The name Wass should no be excluded for this basically became a part of his identity. The "e. Stenbacka" means he was born on the Stenbacka farm. Sophia, before she came here was really Brita Sophia Andersdotter (Ander's Daughrter), with Back at the end because she was born on and from the Back Farm. Apparently, Petter Anders Annasson was born on Stenbacka, moved to Back when he married his wife from there, had Sophia there, Then moved to Wass Farm where Sophia's brother was born.

Petter Anders Annason Wass e.(born in) Stenbacka (farm), He got food and a place to live for his family as compensation for work he did for the farmer. In other words was a lodger and dependant of the farmer. Later he was a soldier. He died as a "backstugusittare", (a side-cottage dweller, not owner).  He was born out of wedlock. He was married twice and had children in both marriages. Our line came from the second marriage.
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Nice example. No I will not add farm name :-)

The reasoning is as follows:

1/ Names which can be the same between different children are family names
2/ Hence, Annason and Stenbacka are family names, two brothers can have this name as both are the son of Anna, and both live on that farm
3/ The new design has multiple surname (which we use as the field for family name in Gramps), and a surname has a field 'origintype'. I predefined Feudal as an origin type (for eg a baron that has the name of his lands). Patronymic and Matronymic are also predefined. Farm name is not (you could use feudal, just as the aristrocracy, they are named after the land), you would have to add that as a custom origintype: Farm.

Obviously, all this is possible today using a long family name and a couple of notes to document things, the only new thing in 3.3 will be that the computer will know it, so can do special things with it in filters or reports.

Hope this clarifies this.

Greetings,
Benny


Sincerely yours,
Rob G. Healey


On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, jerome <romjerome@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so
> as not to
> confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?).

Was trying to find the french translation (maybe 'prénom usuel'), I find a comment about naming for Alsacian, Swiss, German or French (maybe Belgian) people:
http://www.pantel-web.de/bw_mirror/text/t46.txt
It seems I will also use this field. So, I need to find an improved seizure scheme for my names...


Jérôme

PS: does name extension will support something like 'farm name'?


--- En date de : Mar 5.10.10, Doug Blank <doug.blank@gmail.com> a écrit :

> De: Doug Blank <doug.blank@gmail.com>
> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] geps021 name?
> À: "Tim Lyons" <guy.linton@gmail.com>
> Cc: gramps-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Mardi 5 octobre 2010, 16h15
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Tim
> Lyons <guy.linton@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Benny Malengier wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, call name is the given name you use, so
> there is no need for
> >> splitting
> >> up given name and slowing down entry of people. I
> myself have 3 given
> >> names,
> >> many people here have. You will see that call name
> becomes red if it is
> >> not
> >> a part of the given name.
> >>
> >
> > A given name is Robert, but the name I am called by (I
> presume this is what
> > is meant by callname) is Rob. Does that mean that my
> callname would become
> > red? If so, seems strange. [Put another way, what do
> you mean by "part
> > of"?].
>
> FYI, callname is the English translation of "rufname"... it
> isn't a
> nickname but a part of a name with a technical meaning:
>
> http://www.firstnamesgermany.com/vorname-and-rufname-about-german-given-names/
>
> Perhaps we should not translate "rufname" but leave it so
> as not to
> confuse its purpose (does any culture call it "callname"?).
> I believe
> that the new revised name object has a place for nickname,
> but I
> haven't followed the development.
>
> -Doug
>
>
> > [I appreciate that Anthony/Andy and Dorothy/Dot are
> also problematic, just
> > wondered what the validation is for?]
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