On 02/04/14 23:36, Benny Malengier
2014-03-31 19:37 GMT+02:00 Nick Hall <firstname.lastname@example.org>:
On 31/03/14 06:56, Helge.Herz wrote:
Making the interface more consistent was only one reason for the
> But for all users working with one citation per source
(as I do) the new
> handling is more or less unexpected and and reduces the
> click and one window more to find the related source).
I'm not happy
> with this solution even it's more regular then before.
change. It also allows the user to change the source for a
The new editor is also simpler and works better on smaller
I use both small and large sources.
For small sources, the citation will be empty. I agree that
this is not
ideal. In the long-term, I think we need to change the design
to contain a hierarchy of citations with inherited attributes.
In the short-term, the new functionality should be an
overall. When adding a source and citation at the same time,
with an empty citation, this will require an extra button click
The one citation - one source users will be in for a nasty
surprise though. We can expect some push-back on that. Educating
users is important. How to convey the workflow should be: read a
source -> create a source object -> create other objects
based on what is learned from source, using citation to link
As Helge was confused, many other users can be expected to be
confused too. Any ideas on how to make the importance of the
edit button after source more clear?
I made the source selector look like the place selector for events.
We could make it look more like the father/mother selection in the
family editor. The buttons could be next to a "Source" heading. We
could add a "Citation" after the author field.
This could be an ideal start also to add a paste shortcut:
paste last used source or something like that. It will avoid
selecting or drag and drop from clipboard, which is a great
thing (popup on select button could be CTRL+V to paste last
source or something like that).
Jérôme was looking into this. He added a "Last Changed" column to
all selectors. I can't think of a neat user interface for this at
Also, how to avoid many users now only making citations, and
not bothering with source? I think you should make the popup
dialog "cannot save citation. No source selected" better.
How about adding a text explaining the relationship between
citation and source? We know it, but starting users will be
puzzled, and reading the doc is not what they will do. They will
raise bugs: can't save citation if no source present. Why?
Again, a good place to educate the user in best practices.
Good idea. The message can certainly be improved.
Let me think about this again from a new user's point of view. It
is not too late to revert the change if we think it is too