Dear Chris,

okay; I will create the exe in any case, regardless of the opened licensing issue. This I will do no sooner than on the coming weekend.

But as regards licensing, IMHO we should proceed in a risk-averse way, and consider such a bundling a license violation, unless clearly demonstrated otherwise. My concern is not that we violate Sun's license; my concern is that we violate FreeMind's GNU GPL.

I prefer hard facts to speculation. And I prefer to rely on the thought and experience of a multitude of other people, those who are experienced or if possible expert, if available. Do you know of any other open source software licensed under GNU GPL that contains Java bundled?

I understand that FreeMind needs Java. FreeMind also needs an operating system, some of which are proprietary. The key point is *bundling*, not *need*, from what I understand.

Best regards,

On Feb 18, 2008 8:25 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) <> wrote:
Hi Dan,

beside the licensing, do you still create the .exe for me? The packaging needs some time to be created.
Moreover, remember, that every user of FreeMind needs Java to execute FreeMind.
And it is only the question, if we are allowed to package and distribute the java with our proprietary program.
We can' t claim, that the result is GPL (at least not for java 5+6, java7 is gpl, but not available AFAIK).

Perhaps, consider

Best regards, Chris

Dan Polansky schrieb:
Dear Chris,

I think it should be possible for me to make it tomorrow to produce a version of FreeMind.exe that takes the Java runtime from a specific directory.

But what I see as an issue is the licensing of Java runtime. Though I have already devoted some attention to copyright issues, I am still a non-expert. FreeMind is licensed under GNU GPL; bundling with it something that has not an open source license seems highly risky of copyright violation.

Unless we have a clear evidence that there are no licensing issues, we should avoid bundling with FreeMind anything without a license compatible with GNU GPL.

Best regards,

On Feb 16, 2008 10:41 PM, Christian Foltin (GMX) <> wrote:
Dear Dan,

this will cost you at least a couple of beer ;-)

Dan, I want to publish an installer version including the java runtime:
FreeMind-0-8-1-max-Java-included, too. What do you think?
 From the license of the runtime, it should be possible (see below).

I would need your help in creating a freemind.exe that takes a java.exe
from a subdirectory jre/bin/java.exe.
Can you supply such an exe, soon?



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Dan Polansky schrieb:
> Dear Chris,
> shame and blame on me. I have now noticed that the wrong copyright
> notice also appears in the about box of FreeMind, accessible from the
> menu Help > About.
> Could you please also correct all the things there, including:
> (a) Year range,
> (b) Copyright mark (see also the 0.9.0 series for how to enter the
> proper copyright mark)
> (c) The list of major contributors.
> I do not know how to compensate you for this additional work,
> resulting from my inattentive previous review.
> Best regards,
> Dan

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