From: Dan K. <dan...@gm...> - 2009-06-22 15:23:48
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Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new design. Cheers Dan |
From: Viktor K. <vko...@gm...> - 2009-06-22 17:11:26
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On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: > Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked > like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new > design. > > Cheers > > Dan no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just not worth the designer's time to fix these issues > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel |
From: Carsten H. (T. R. <ra...@ra...> - 2009-06-24 14:10:39
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:10:55 +0200 Viktor Kojouharov <vko...@gm...> said: > On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: > > Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked > > like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new > > design. > > > > Cheers > > > > Dan > > no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just > not worth the designer's time to fix these issues actually... you forget 90% of the rest of the world. believe it or not a lot of people look at e.org from work (windows) or just to research (from companies) or journalists, etc. etc. from a marketing and publicity point of view - it matters very very very much. so it'd be good to fix this. really good. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ra...@ra... |
From: Vincent T. <vt...@un...> - 2009-06-22 17:12:08
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Dan Kronstal wrote: > Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked > like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new > design. about that, I suggest to the website maintainers to run the HTML and CSS validators on the web pages. The number of errors is quite large, and some css3 properties are used in the stylesheet. Maybe that's why the website is not correctly rendered with IE7 Vincent |
From: Vincent T. <vt...@un...> - 2009-06-22 17:17:17
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: >> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked >> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new >> design. > > no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just > not worth the designer's time to fix these issues but the designers should anyway fix the web pages with the validators. Vincent |
From: Viktor K. <vko...@gm...> - 2009-06-22 17:48:56
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On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 19:17 +0200, Vincent Torri wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > > > On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: > >> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked > >> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new > >> design. > > > > no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just > > not worth the designer's time to fix these issues > > but the designers should anyway fix the web pages with the validators. > > Vincent perhaps. but that could lead to even more messed-up layout |
From: Vincent T. <vt...@un...> - 2009-06-22 17:50:13
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 19:17 +0200, Vincent Torri wrote: >> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, Viktor Kojouharov wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: >>>> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked >>>> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new >>>> design. >>> >>> no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just >>> not worth the designer's time to fix these issues >> >> but the designers should anyway fix the web pages with the validators. >> >> Vincent > > perhaps. but that could lead to even more messed-up layout then, it's designers' fault... The standards should (must) be respected. Vincent |
From: Michael J. <me...@ka...> - 2009-06-22 17:52:56
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On Monday, 22 June 2009, at 19:48:31 (+0200), Viktor Kojouharov wrote: > perhaps. but that could lead to even more messed-up layout Not if it's done correctly. Coding for Firefox and ignoring IE simply because it's what the majority of us use is just as wrong and tyrannical as web developers coding for IE and ignoring Firefox simply because it's what the majority of the web users use. We should be coding to the standards, not to one particular browser. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ <me...@ka...> Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "But when two people are at one in their inmost hearts, they shatter even the strength of iron or of bronze." -- The I Ching |
From: andres <and...@gm...> - 2009-06-22 20:01:16
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On Monday 22 June 2009 12:23:45 Dan Kronstal wrote: > Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked > like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the > new design. > Does this happen with http://enlightenment.org/dev/? It does not in the ie7 version I use with wine but its really buggy and perhaps looks different in windows. If you encounter issues I guess could install a VM. I routinely test with firefox, ie6, ie7 opera and arora (webkit) to cover all the main browser engines. Rest assured that all pages that I write will pass the W3C standard tests before being published as long as they are published by me. > Cheers > > Dan > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge > conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of > unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. > Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge. >org _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel |
From: Ian C <inc...@gm...> - 2009-06-22 20:20:16
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Look Sent from my iPod On Jun 22, 2009, at 12:55 PM, andres <and...@gm...> wrote: > On Monday 22 June 2009 12:23:45 Dan Kronstal wrote: >> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has >> looked >> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg >> since the >> new design. >> > Does this happen with http://enlightenment.org/dev/? > It does not in the ie7 version I use with wine but its really buggy > and > perhaps looks different in windows. If you encounter issues I guess > could > install a VM. > > I routinely test with firefox, ie6, ie7 opera and arora (webkit) to > cover all > the main browser engines. Rest assured that all pages that I write > will pass > the W3C standard tests before being published as long as they are > published > by me. > > >> Cheers >> >> Dan >> --- >> --- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source >> Bridge >> conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day >> of >> unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. >> Register today! >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge >> . >> org _______________________________________________ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> enl...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > --- > --- > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge > conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of > unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel |
From: Toma <tom...@gm...> - 2009-06-23 01:06:34
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2009/6/23 Viktor Kojouharov <vko...@gm...>: > On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: >> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked >> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new >> design. >> >> Cheers >> >> Dan > > no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just > not worth the designer's time to fix these issues > I tried showing some buddies at work what E was and I was greeted by the garbled page with IE7. Also, If I try to show any other mates that have Windows what E is, again they very well could be using IE7. Like it or not, its still the most used browser in the world. -Toma. |
From: Gustavo S. B. <bar...@pr...> - 2009-06-23 04:27:49
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Toma<tom...@gm...> wrote: > 2009/6/23 Viktor Kojouharov <vko...@gm...>: >> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: >>> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked >>> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new >>> design. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dan >> >> no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just >> not worth the designer's time to fix these issues >> > > > I tried showing some buddies at work what E was and I was greeted by > the garbled page with IE7. Also, If I try to show any other mates that > have Windows what E is, again they very well could be using IE7. Like > it or not, its still the most used browser in the world. Another problem is when you try to have clients to use EFL, they ask what is it and you point to the website = FAILURE. Most managers, specially in embedded systems, use Windows in their day to day work and I don't know why they keep using IE7 instead of Firefox... but they do and since they often do the decisions they'll have bad impression, that you need to remove later. (ok, many wrong things on their part, but that's life...) Last but not least, I think that following standards is required. Coding to a specific browser, even if it's Firefox, is as bad as coding for IE. -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -------------------------------------- MSN: bar...@gm... Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 |
From: Luca De M. <luc...@gm...> - 2009-06-23 07:07:06
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2009/6/23 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <bar...@pr...> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Toma<tom...@gm...> wrote: > > 2009/6/23 Viktor Kojouharov <vko...@gm...>: > >> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: > >>> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has > looked > >>> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since > the new > >>> design. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Dan > >> > >> no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just > >> not worth the designer's time to fix these issues > >> > > > > > > I tried showing some buddies at work what E was and I was greeted by > > the garbled page with IE7. Also, If I try to show any other mates that > > have Windows what E is, again they very well could be using IE7. Like > > it or not, its still the most used browser in the world. > > Another problem is when you try to have clients to use EFL, they ask > what is it and you point to the website = FAILURE. Most managers, > specially in embedded systems, use Windows in their day to day work > and I don't know why they keep using IE7 instead of Firefox... but > they do and since they often do the decisions they'll have bad > impression, that you need to remove later. (ok, many wrong things on > their part, but that's life...) > > Last but not least, I think that following standards is required. > Coding to a specific browser, even if it's Firefox, is as bad as > coding for IE. > That's only obvious, people! You can't create a website for a large project, no matter what the project is, and have it appear messed up in the most used browser in the world! Saying things like: only Linux people or opensource community people will want to see this site is only ridiculous. And this is a dangerous thinking too. It means you only want the project to be liked by very very few people no matter what. And you don't care about anyone else who may, instead, like the project very much and even become a linux user, an e17 user or even a developer. It's very simple to understand that the site must be shown correctly on any major browser, but I'm sure it will soon be fixed, of course, it would be a scandal if it wouldn't ;) Note that I don't use IE since when I switched to Linux and Mac, so, since years. I didn't know absolutely of this issue before this post but that's absolutely important. It's a priority I suggest. Because when people know about E17 they first look the webpage of course (it happens for any project, naturally) and when they visit our webpage, it's messed up. Well, the obvious reasoning is that the project is messed up too. Toma brings us an absolutely obvious and significative example. Greets everyone! Bye bye, Luca D.M. |
From: Abel C. <ac...@th...> - 2009-06-23 07:56:43
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 09:06:04AM +0200, Luca De Marini wrote: > 2009/6/23 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <bar...@pr...> > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Toma<tom...@gm...> wrote: > > > 2009/6/23 Viktor Kojouharov <vko...@gm...>: > > >> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: > > >>> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has > > looked > > >>> like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since > > the new > > >>> design. > > >>> > > >>> Cheers > > >>> > > >>> Dan > > >> > > >> no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just > > >> not worth the designer's time to fix these issues > > >> > > > > > > > > > I tried showing some buddies at work what E was and I was greeted by > > > the garbled page with IE7. Also, If I try to show any other mates that > > > have Windows what E is, again they very well could be using IE7. Like > > > it or not, its still the most used browser in the world. > > > > Another problem is when you try to have clients to use EFL, they ask > > what is it and you point to the website = FAILURE. Most managers, > > specially in embedded systems, use Windows in their day to day work > > and I don't know why they keep using IE7 instead of Firefox... but > > they do and since they often do the decisions they'll have bad > > impression, that you need to remove later. (ok, many wrong things on > > their part, but that's life...) > > > > Last but not least, I think that following standards is required. > > Coding to a specific browser, even if it's Firefox, is as bad as > > coding for IE. > > > > That's only obvious, people! You can't create a website for a large project, > no matter what the project is, and have it appear messed up in the most used > browser in the world! Saying things like: only Linux people or opensource > community people will want to see this site is only ridiculous. And this is > a dangerous thinking too. It means you only want the project to be liked by > very very few people no matter what. And you don't care about anyone else > who may, instead, like the project very much and even become a linux user, > an e17 user or even a developer. It's very simple to understand that the > site must be shown correctly on any major browser, but I'm sure it will soon > be fixed, of course, it would be a scandal if it wouldn't ;) > > Note that I don't use IE since when I switched to Linux and Mac, so, since > years. I didn't know absolutely of this issue before this post but that's > absolutely important. It's a priority I suggest. Because when people know > about E17 they first look the webpage of course (it happens for any project, > naturally) and when they visit our webpage, it's messed up. Well, the > obvious reasoning is that the project is messed up too. > > Toma brings us an absolutely obvious and significative example. > Greets everyone! > Bye bye, > > Luca D.M. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel then people: start fixing and stop complaining. -- DISCLAIMER: http://goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ This message will self-destruct in 3 seconds. |
From: Kostis K. <kka...@fr...> - 2009-06-24 18:54:47
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O/H Dan Kronstal έγραψε: > Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked > like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new > design. Well I also use IE7 and e.org seems to render fine http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4261/eorg.png E.org/dev also works as expected. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6657/eorgdev.png (Both image links show IE7 render the website the same as with firefox - at least with a first look) |
From: andres <and...@gm...> - 2009-06-24 20:22:26
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On Wednesday 24 June 2009 15:38:10 Kostis Kapelonis wrote: > O/H Dan Kronstal έγραψε: > > Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked > > like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the > > new design. > > Well I also use IE7 and e.org seems to render fine > > http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4261/eorg.png > Raster made a quick fix for that. The problem is that someone updated the website design with the contents of the previous "/dev" folder. Which is always behind a day or two and might change in the future. For example, yesterday I cleaned up the header and changed it to properly support a submenu and now looks like this [1]. The HTML will be updated today or tomorrow and then I will commit the changes to /dev. My target date for the new website, including the brochure pages and all the other content creation and changes I mentioned before is the first of August. One month before the e17 alpha release. The header [1] is not intended to be used with more than 5 options and thus can't be used until I finish wth the brochure pages and re-organize the wiki at the very least. [1] http://omploader.org/vMXZtOQ |
From: Nick H. <me...@me...> - 2009-07-02 05:19:05
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:27:45 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <bar...@pr...> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Toma<tom...@gm...> wrote: > > 2009/6/23 Viktor Kojouharov <vko...@gm...>: > >> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote: > >>> Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org > >>> has looked like this: > >>> http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new > >>> design. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Dan > >> > >> no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its > >> just not worth the designer's time to fix these issues > >> > > > > > > I tried showing some buddies at work what E was and I was greeted by > > the garbled page with IE7. Also, If I try to show any other mates > > that have Windows what E is, again they very well could be using > > IE7. Like it or not, its still the most used browser in the world. > > Another problem is when you try to have clients to use EFL, they ask > what is it and you point to the website = FAILURE. Most managers, > specially in embedded systems, use Windows in their day to day work > and I don't know why they keep using IE7 instead of Firefox... but > they do and since they often do the decisions they'll have bad > impression, that you need to remove later. (ok, many wrong things on > their part, but that's life...) > > Last but not least, I think that following standards is required. > Coding to a specific browser, even if it's Firefox, is as bad as > coding for IE. > I'll throw my 2c into the mix. The current e.org is completely fubar with respect to standards. It doesn't even contain a doctype. I won't go any further on how much of a pile it is and why being so is causing it to render so poorly in IE. Btw, why are we using a table with like 30 cells to render a download button?? Just make an image and put the text on top, problem solved... The dev site seems better (it at least has a doctype and validated minus 1 simple error), but it's using an HTML doctype. Wake up people, it's 2009, HTML is DEAD! XHTML has been and will continue to be around for the foreseeable future. Can't wait until HTML pages just fail to load in all browsers, good riddance. |
From: Carsten H. (T. R. <ra...@ra...> - 2009-07-02 07:59:35
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 00:18:31 -0500 Nick Hughart <me...@me...> said: > I'll throw my 2c into the mix. > The current e.org is completely fubar with respect to standards. It > doesn't even contain a doctype. I won't go any further on how much of html does not REQUIRE a doctype. plain html has existed ever since and is STILL valid to this very day. > a pile it is and why being so is causing it to render so poorly in IE. > Btw, why are we using a table with like 30 cells to render a download > button?? Just make an image and put the text on top, problem solved... there is a very good reason. it is simply not possible in html any other way to have a ANY width button with ANY content (label) AND have the edges and corners not be stretched into ugly oblivion. > The dev site seems better (it at least has a doctype and validated > minus 1 simple error), but it's using an HTML doctype. Wake up people, > it's 2009, HTML is DEAD! XHTML has been and will continue to be around and so will html. html is far from dead. > for the foreseeable future. Can't wait until HTML pages just fail to > load in all browsers, good riddance. well.. i did actually fix it. it works now in ie6 (and i presume ie7). i even tested it. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ra...@ra... |
From: andres <and...@gm...> - 2009-07-02 17:11:54
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> The dev site seems better (it at least has a doctype and validated > minus 1 simple error), but it's using an HTML doctype. Wake up people, > it's 2009, HTML is DEAD! No it isn't. Google.com, Apple.com and most other relevant business declare HTML in their doctypes. Except from Microsoft.com which uses XHTML. From the top 10 global Alexa websites 6 use HTML and 4 use XHTML. Most relevant sites will simply ignore XHTML and jump from HTML4 to HTML5 when the time comes. HTML4 will be supported by every browser for as long as HTML5 exists [1]. XHTML has some technical merits but its benefits do not overweight its annoyances [2] for this project (7 brochure pages + the news section). Especially when we consider the lesser "web oriented" people that will most likely update the content and news of e.org in the future. The rest of the content is will be generated by either trac or exchange which abstract the annoyances of xhtml from the end users. [1] http://www.digital-web.com/articles/html5_xhtml2_and_the_future_of_the_web/ [2] http://www.dev-archive.net/articles/xhtml.html#lack-of-support |