On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Paul Bowyer <pbowyer@olynet.com> wrote:
Since I already have quicklisp installed and it's accessible from slime, or via clbuild using a command shell, it would be redundant to have it (re-)installed by the ECL test suite unless it was isolated to the ecl-test folder.

It seems I am not able to reach you guys, so I will try to explain it more clearly. There are two different goals:

1) Just testing ECL for ANSI compliance

2) Testing running of libraries with 

The first goal is no problem: one just has to download the tests and run them. I want to automate and make this as painless as possible. It cannot be that in order to test whether ECL built properly the user has to download and install SVN (I think I discussed this in the ANSI-test mailing list without success in the past). If possible, this should be integrated into ECL's tree, for it would take eventually no space: almost all the tests are in the ANSI test suite. Having a library that allows downloading files via http and creating a simple mirroring software that uploads copies of the test suite to sourceforge would make this very easy to use and straightforward to implement.

The second goal is not compulsory. Not even supportive users are expected to do it regularly, but I may ask a user to do it when a copy of ECL behaves strangely. In any case testing of libraries can never be done using the user's existing environment. For a simple reason: his configuration may affect the tests, as it has happened in the past (*). So I am not going to force you to download quicklisp again, but I am not going to integrate testing of quicklisp libraries using the copies you have downloaded. This has to be done in a clean environment, with a fresh new copy of the system.

Incidentally, I am trying to migrate my whole testing environment to a standalone library that would control both actual machines and virtual machines, performing tasks such as starting virtual machines, monitoring them, uploading distributions and tests, building them and retrieving and parsing the results. This is yet another motivation to integrate the build and the tests in a simpler way, free of dependencies.

Juanjo

(*) For instance, ASDF looks for libraries all over your computer by default. This makes existing or forgotten copies of libraries interfere with quicklisps. That includes users's projects and it has happened in the past. Other customizations, such as ~/.eclrc files also interfere as they change the build environment.

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