#115 massive errors cloning to large-sectored drive

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Steven Shiau
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2011-06-26
2011-06-19
Jim Michaels
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this hard drive is what I am upgrading to
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148599&Tpk=seagate%20momentus%20750gb
here are the specs:
cylinders=11400 heads=255 sectorspertrack=63 sectorsize=4096
totalsectors=183141000 disksize= 750.14GB=750145536000 Bytes

upgrading from the following toshiba 80GB drive:
cylinders=9122 heads=255 sectorspertrack=63 sectorsize=512
totalsectors=146544930 disksize= 75.03GB=75031004160 Bytes

after staring the copy process, clonezilla hangs for a little while and then crashes. This is after the setup phase or whatever it;s called.

I think the issue is the difference in sector sizes.

welcome to the real world. drive manufacturers are now making large sectored SATA drives, and it's breaking disk software left and right. microsoft warned about this some time back, but nobody saw it I guess. so I recoded my programs.

I have not found one disk upgrade software that works doing this upgrade, and I have tried 4.
please fix. I need something fast.

Discussion

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  • Jim Michaels
    Jim Michaels
    2011-06-19

    fixed title

     
  • Jim Michaels
    Jim Michaels
    2011-06-19

    • summary: massive errors cloning large-sectored drive --> massive errors cloning to large-sectored drive
     
  • Steven Shiau
    Steven Shiau
    2011-06-26

    I believe this issue is not about disk size. Since we here have cloned/images a larger disk before.
    Which version of Clonezilla live did you use?
    Did you try Clonezilla live 1.2.9-10 or 20110623-natty?

    Steven.

     
  • Steven Shiau
    Steven Shiau
    2011-06-26

    • assigned_to: nobody --> steven_shiau
     
  • Jim Michaels
    Jim Michaels
    2011-06-27

    I personally think it was the sector size difference that did it. most programs are hard-coded for 512-byte sector sizes. microsoft warned about teh disk industry coming out with large-sectored hard disks. the 750GB drive is one of those. If you want to get the drive for testing purposes, it is a laptop drive and it is a 750GB 7200RPM Seagate Momentus ST9750420AS and it is available from

    it is the only drive I know of with 4k sectors for now, but things will change I am sure.
    I am told XP can handle 4K sector drives but will not boot from it because of the BIOS.

    I was using 1.2.8-42

     
  • Jim Michaels
    Jim Michaels
    2011-06-27

    by the way, sector size != disk size by any stretch of the imagination.

     
  • Steven Shiau
    Steven Shiau
    2011-06-30

    After cloning, did you try to use the utility from your hard drive vendor to tune it as 4k sectors?
    Maybe that helps.

    Steven.

     
  • Jim Michaels
    Jim Michaels
    2011-07-05

    define "tune as 4k sectors". the drive's hardware is built with 4k sectors. If you look at seagate's drive specs, you will see this. this is not a software thing.

    http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_momentus_fam.pdf

    examine the specs. some drives are 4096 bytes and translate as 512 bytes. it's a performance penalty, but you get compatibility.

    I am not sure you understand the difference between hardware and software. the 750GB hard drive is hard-wired as 4096 bytes. that's hardware. you can't change that with software.

     
  • Jim Michaels
    Jim Michaels
    2011-07-05

    [well, maybe - tecnically, the 4k sector size is probably coded in the drive's firmware, but only the product manufacturer can write the software to update it! so I guess you could say technically it's encoded in firmware you don't have access to tweak. and manufacturers RARELY come out with firmware updates for their drives unless there's a problem to fix.]

     
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