Hey Jon,

There is a ton of info here, for sure.  My hope isn't necessarily to take each of these and do something in particular, and instead provide what some points of connection to what seems to me to be several areas that cross over in focus.

From my own stand point, I want to finish out the ChannelCC.tv site, using both ccHost and Kamaelia as areas of technological focus.  From the standpoint of the TAKEAWAY festival, I really don't know if I personally have the time to get involved, but it seems that there is an obvious connection between what they are doing and the driving mission of CC.  How or if they connect past this is something I will leave in the hands of fate (though I don't believe in fate), destiny (or destiny either), or some other cosmic force such as chaos, karma, and/or personal choice (each of which I *do* believe in ;-)) to take things from here.

In regards to ChannelCC.tv, the thing I want to avoid is proceeding forward developing something that doesn't have both the knowledge and blessing of CC.    What I will do then is re-ignite the process I had moving forward with Melissa from a while back, and seek guidance and council from the list when it seems guidance and council is needed.

On 3/21/07, Jon Phillips <jon@rejon.org> wrote:
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Thanks David, you have an overlaod of content here to discuss. I think
the best thing for moving forward is to just pick one thread and push on
that from your end and make proposal to participate in the take-a-way

While brainstorming is good, if there are too many details than nothing
can be accomplished. So, I would recommend to just do one thing well and
propose that.


On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 06:12 -0600, M. David Peterson wrote:
> Hey All,
> via Sylvain Hellegouarch (Cc'd) I learned of the TAKEAWAY Festival
> taking place in the UK (see **).  I don't have a lot of details, but I
> do know that Sylvain learned of this from Michael Sparks (Cc'd), Lead
> Researcher @ BBC UK R&D, and the mastermind behind the development of
> Kamaelia ( http://kamaelia.org/ '''redirects to SF.net home).
> Apparently Michael was invited to be a part of this, but past that, I
> don't have a lot more details.
> That said, it seemed like this would be a good opportunity to connect
> some dots that may not be currently connected.  These dots include,
> Kamaelia
> CCDC and in particular ccHost/ccMixter
> channelCC.tv
> TAKEAWAY Festival
> What is Kamaelia?
> ---@http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Introduction
>         Lego/K'nex for programmers. For people. For building things.
>         It's about making concurrency on systems easier to use, so
>         easy you forget that you're using it.
> ...
>         A key aim of Kamaelia is to enable even novice programmers to
>         create scalable and safe concurrent systems, quickly and
>         easily
> ...
>         The reason for concurrency here isn't because we're after
>         performance, but due to the problems we're facing are
>         naturally concurrent - millions of people watching content.
>         Therefore, the aim is to make dealing with this concurrency
>         simple/easy, or natural/fun. Hence the lego/K'nex analogy.
> The vision of CCDC
> ---@http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Developer
>         The primary goal of the Creative Commons Developer Community
>         (CCDC) is to build a community of developers around the
>         development of tools facilitating Creative Commons' licenses
>         and standards.
> What is channelCC.tv?
> ---@http://channelcc.tv (<- yeah, not much there at the moment ;-)
> [MDP::Insert.Comment: This is an unfinished project (Hi Melissa! :D
> (Also Cc'd)) I started a while back and would like to finish, but this
> time around using a combination of both technology and ideas from the
> various folks and their related software tools referenced in this
> post.
> What is Kamaelia used for?
> ---@http://kamaelia.sourceforge.net/Introduction
>         At R&D we've used it for sending subtitles to mobiles,
>         building a networked audio mixer matrix, previewing PVR
>         content on mobiles, joining multicast islands together using
>         application layer tunneling and also a game for small
>         children :-)
>         I also use Kamaelia for all my presentations these days.
>         Kamaelia has been used by BBC Radio & Music to produce a
>         record of transmission (for 8 BBC channels 24x7). This is a
>         development box for internally monitoring what is actually
>         broadcast vs what the EPG data says. This enables prototyping
>         of new services (subject to all sorts of restrictions).
>         Examples include podcasts of all of BBC radio, particular
>         tastes or genres. That then allows people to decide if they
>         want these things and decide how to move forward with the
>         industry.
> What are some of the tools developed, maintained, and supported by
> ---@http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Developer
> Creative Commons actively develops the following software projects:
>       * ccPublisher
>       * ccHost (ccMixter source code)
>       * Translator - http://translate.creativecommons.org/
>       * ccLookup
>       * Command Line Tools
>       * CcNutch
> How does ChannelCC.tv fit in?
> Not a clue.  But I have some ideas, and it seems to me that between
> (Michael/BBC-UK R&D/Kamaelia) && (CCDC*) all of the tools are in place
> to do some pretty cool things.
> How does the TAKEAWAY Festival fit in?
> Again, not a clue, but as outlined below, it seems there could be some
> interesting points of connection with all of this.
> ** --- @http://nodel.org/events.php?ID=51
> TAKEAWAY Festival - Do It Yourself
> Media http://www.takeawayfestival.com part of "Experiment, play and
> get involved", "TAKEAWAY festival of do-it-yourself media" event
> clusters
>         A silent revolution is taking place. People are transforming
>         themselves from media consumers to producers, using the new
>         tools, software and technologies at their disposal. From the
>         expanding realm of free and open source software (FLOSS), to
>         peer-to-peer (P2P) distribution and 'pervasive' mobile and
>         locative technologies, the unprecedented possibilities exist
>         to create and disseminate our own media experiences.
>         TAKEAWAY Festival – Do It Yourself Media is here to help you
>         take part in the revolution, and to understand what it's all
>         about. Learn how to make your own online journal, blog, live
>         stream or wiki in our workshops. Talk to those who are making
>         the tools and those who are finding new and innovative ways to
>         make use of them. Discuss the implications of 'free' and P2P
>         culture, changes in how we make culture and art, and how we
>         will be able to live, and learn, in the coming media
>         environment.
>         What can you take away from TAKEAWAY Festival? Workshops,
>         exhibitions, lectures and discussions are designed to give you
>         a hands-on experience and first hand knowledge of networked
>         and interactive media.
> NOTE: It seems http://www.takeawayfestival.com is presently down.
> Hopefully that will change soon.
> ---
> So with all of this, this is really meant as a dot connecting and pump
> priming piece to possibly get some ideas started and moving forward.
> Would also like to connect in MusicianForge (see:
> http://dev.musicianforge.net/ ) and SonicRadar
> (http://blog.sonicradar.com) (see:
> http://blog.sonicradar.com/2007/03/08/a-little-introduction/ for an
> introduction from Eric Larson (Cc'd), Lead Architect for both
> projects), -- something I have held back from announcing more
> widespread due to some preparation work of some other related pieces
> -- but at this stage it seems best to focus on one idea at a time ;-)
> That said, the reality is that there is probably no direct need to
> respond to this thread, or even keep this thread active.  But
> hopefully some of the dots connected will help spur some ideas which
> will in turn spawn new threads between various folks and whatever
> these ideas happen to be.  So with that, enjoy your dev-days! :D
> --
> /M:D
> M. David Peterson
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