Just tried using only Audacity to do the multitracking, and found out the latency makes it impossible to do a second track. The input for the second track is a good half-second behind the first track. Since hearing both tracks at the same time is a requirement, I'm anxiously looking forward to responses regarding this issue.
 
    I did some experimenting with the time shift tool, and it's easy to see how this would work very well in post-recording to align the tracks. But how do I record second, third, or fourth tracks when the preceding tracks are ahead of the live input?
 
    Thanks to any and all who have the patience to help me out!
 
 
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From: audacity-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:audacity-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Audacity-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 40

I'm replying not just to "Doc" here but to everyone who's willing to help, because the latency issue Doc describes is one that I am concerned about and one that I don't understand particularly well.  While I am very familiar with the time shift tool and how to use it, I am looking for some sort of technique (I've heard of something called a 'click track', for example) that I could use to temporally align a newly-recorded track with the existing tracks in an Audacity project.  In my home studio, I am simply adding additional acoustic instruments and/or vocals, recording them while playing back the other tracks in my Project using my Behringer mixer and a decent Sound Blaster PCI card on a Windows 2000 PC.  Perhaps a better way to ask this question would be: "what is the most accepted best-practices studio technique for easily creating a multitrack recording using Audacity while avoiding any latency in the recording?"
 
Thanks to all for your responses and suggestions ...
 
Rich
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From: Dave "Doc" Corio
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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:24 AM
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    LOL!! "interesting" is a bit of an understatement! I'm doing it that way since I only just "discovered" Audacity a week or so ago. Had the studio set up quite a while before. I just started thinking about going directly to the laptop a couple of days ago, but I'm concerned about the latency I hear mentioned frequently on the forums. I even experimented with creating track-with-track on Audacity, the same way the Fostex does it, and can see that the latency exists, but as a noob, I haven't learned yet how to work around it. Additionally, my laptop is an old PI 366 Mhz machine with only 96M of memory. I was amazed when I found Audacity would even WORK on it LOL!!
 
    Yep, no burner in the laptop, so flash stick was the only option short of carrying it back & forth every time I wanted to move a file. (non-wireless network).
 
    The plug-in for echo came with the version of Audacity that I downloaded. I haven't added any plugins except for "timeshif". Using echo and not reverb. Had plenty of reverb from the amps!
 
    Believe me, I appreciate this input! Off to work for now!
 
Thanks!
 
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From: audacity-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:audacity-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Audacity-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 40

Wow.  That's certainly an interesting signal path!   I have to point out that you seem to be performing at least two analog recordings of the same signal prior to going digital, which will substantially degrade the audio.  If I may ask, why would you use the Fostex 4-track cassette recorder at all, since Audacity *IS* itself an equivalent digital multi-track recorder, which should walk circles around the Fostex in terms of quality?  In other words, why not record the Bandit 212, the Rogue, the Zoom and the Vocalist Performer directly to your laptop using Audacity?  That would eliminate the analog Fostex recording entirely, as well as the second re-recording of it on your laptop.  And I'm hazarding a guess here, but do you transfer the Audacity project to your office desktop via memory stick because you don't have a CD burner in your laptop? 
 
Which Audacity plug-in did you use to add the small amount of echo in the final stages?  By 'echo', are you referring to a reverb effect?
 
Rich
 
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From: Dave "Doc" Corio
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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Audacity-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 40

LOL!! No secrets to the techniques. It's an old Hawaiian method called "lakkamuney"!
 
Seriously, I have my Fender Strat playing through a Peavey Bandit 212. This feed line out to a Rogue 4-channel PA/mixer. Also feeding the Rogue are my electronic drummer (Zoom) and my microphone via a DigiTech Vocalist Performer (harmonizer). The Rogue is lined out to a little Fostex 4-track cassette recorder. I laid down drums & rhythm on the first track, then vocal on the second. Extra rhythm guitar is added on the third track. Then I master it from the Fostex to Audacity on a laptop I have in the "studio". I save it as a project, then transfer it via a memory stick to my main PC in my office. There I add silence to the beginning and end, and put a small amount of echo over the entire mix.
 
Been putting some stuff together to make a CD for family, and this is my first attempt at doing it. Been a musician for around 35 years, playing mostly C&W, along with some 50's, 60's, and 70's rock. I appreciate the input, Rich!!
 
 
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From: audacity-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net [mailto:audacity-users-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Audacity-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 40

Hi Dave - I'm hearing an subtle 'phase-y' or multiple-track re-recording on the vocals - almost as if there were more than one singer, each singing the same notes with the same voice.  The vocals also sound kinda distored (intentionally); the drums a bit too dynamically and rhythmically perfect.  If you're willing to share some of the techniques you used on the vocals, it would probably be educational for all of us ... and the song's certainly an oldie!
 
Rich
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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] Audacity-users Digest, Vol 2, Issue 40

    As long as we're on the subject......
 
 
I've been playing for many years, but VERY new to multitracking and specifically Audacity.
 
Oh, and I do have a thick skin lol!!
 
 
 
 
 


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