Re: [Assp-test] fixes and changes in 2.0.2_1.2.10

[Thomas E. <Tho...@th...>]

Trevor,

for a very long time it was not the case, that an old feature has required 
an updated version of a module (some are recommended). I think the last 
required module updates where needed for SSL support/DKIM, all others are 
recommended.
Some new features may require an additional module, but this should not 
affect any other features. If a new version will require (I hope I can 
prevent this) any module update, the autoupdate feature will stop working, 
until a manual upgrade was made or the version.txt file was deleted.

I know, I've changed the Regex::Optimizer requirement - but if someone is 
not using the new 1.07, this will not have any issue to the functions of 
assp, except that it is running a bit slower and it needs some more 
memory.

Long time ago, I was thinking about a module autoupdate, but this will not 
work. On nix the right kernel sources and gcc must be available, on 
windows some vcredist versions must match, some software must be available 
with right version (OpenSSL ...) or source - some other software could be 
affected - 32 and 64 bit - ......  - this is a never ending list - and 
will become a never ending story if started.

As I remember, you use Perl 5.8.8 - right? If so, keep in mind, that I 
keep an eye on the code, that no 5.10++ unique statement are used - but 
this could be happen and I never do any tests on 5.8.8!
And the days of the 5.8.8 support are counted. An new version 2.0.3 or 
2.1.0 will possibly require 5.10.

Thomas 





Von:    Trevor Jacques <Trevor@Videlicet.com>
An:     ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...>
Datum:  16.09.2010 16:39
Betreff:        Re: [Assp-test] fixes and changes in 2.0.2_1.2.10





I was away for a week, and was told by users that SMTP stopped for them 
some time before midnight on Tuesday evening. I tried going back to .09 
and .08, but it did not work, so I used a Time Machine backup of settings 
from Tuesday ten days ago (I LOVE Time Machine for this). The server seems 
to be processing SMTP connexions again. Phew.... 

FWIW, I noticed in the Connections window that SMTP communications 
appeared to have started, but had somehow stalled for some reason. 

I went back to the initial notice about version .10 and noticed a new perl 
module requirement. MAYBE there was a versioning conflict, so I am in the 
process of upgrading the modules as I type this. If I find anything, I'll 
report it. 

I've had similar problems before, when the automated update starts with a 
new, but problematical, version. I've no way of knowing until one of my 
users bleats, or I notice my mailing has problem. As a result, I've 
decided to turn off automatic updates, because this 'phantom' failure mode 
has happened several times before (as a result of various causes in the 
betas), and I can't afford to have this happen again to an otherwise 
stable assp. Yes, I now realise that it's best to stop automatic updates 
when I'm away, but I also realise that there may be a better way to handle 
the automatic updates. If the new version requires a new version of a perl 
module and that version is not available (and the respective setting of 
assp is set to use the function that calls the perl module), then, Thomas 
had said in earlier instances of this problem at least a year ago, assp 
should simply disable those functions. Admittedly, this means both 
comparing the perl versions and whether the settings of assp use the perl 
modules. It's not really a problem for manual upgrades, since assp can 
reasonably require that we RTFM. This is not easily done for automated 
updates of assp. I've no doubt that the conundrum is as frustrating to 
Thomas as it is to users.  :-/ 

HTH, 

T. 
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