Re: [Amsn-lang] Language variants

[Harry V. <htv...@zo...>]

I'd say we should have masculine/feminine, but not friendly/official.
Harry

Op woensdag 24 november 2004 18:28, schreef J=E9r=F4me Gagnon-Voyer:
> Am I alone to don't like that idea? lol
>
> The lang folder is already 1,3mo.
>
> Guess that we add feminine/mascul , friendly / not friendly
>
> We will have what....3-4 mo? We always add new keys so it's always
> increasing, if we have to write the same line 4 times for the same
> thing it will be BIIIIIIG.
>
> Too big for not a lot of things...
>
> Le 04-11-24, =E0 11:37, Harry Vennik a =E9crit :
> > Hi,
> > All we'd have got to do is search our langfiles for sentences that
> > need a male
> > and a feminine version, and duplicate those keys, modifying one as the
> > -m
> > version, and the other one as the -f version. Since aMSN would always
> > look
> > for the -m or -f version first, and then for the key without suffix, a
> > langfile without -m and -f variants won't be a problem, and languages
> > not
> > requiring m and f variants will not need to have duplicate keys.
> >
> > Put it short: It's a wonderful idea!!!!
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > Op woensdag 24 november 2004 10:30, schreef luis:
> >> well, it doesn't exactly doubles the work...
> >>
> >> i guess we all could start from the existing langxx file and work for
> >> a -f
> >> version (ladies first...); as soon as we could come up with that, we
> >> could
> >> start to work on the -m file... assuming there are (in most of the
> >> cases)
> >> more then 1 person for each langxx, that could be arranjed so both
> >> langxx-m
> >> and langxx-f could come up at the same time...
> >>
> >> . o O (can't wait for next version)
> >>
> >> : )
> >>
> >> luis
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Hatredman" <hen...@te...>
> >> To: <ams...@li...>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:39 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Amsn-lang] Language variants
> >>
> >>
> >> In fact implementing support for language variants is easy, I think.
> >> But it
> >> will DOUBLE our translation efforts, because it would require an
> >> additional
> >> file with all 631 keys repeated - on file for coloquial and another
> >> one for
> >> the formal language.
> >>
> >> Huge work for us.
> >> I really don't mind doing it, but how much of you will have the time
> >> to?
> >>
> >> Having said that, I really think it would be a very very nice feature!
> >>
> >> Historiadores acreditam que,
> >>
> >> em Ter 23 Nov 2004 08:22, Pavel V=E1vra disse:
> >>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:21:53 +0000
> >>>
> >>> Norberto Lopes <col...@ma...> wrote:
> >>>>     First of all I think Luis has a point there. It's the same way
> >>>> I do
> >>>> things when translating.
> >>>>     Well, it's a perpective of things. What I think you should do
> >>>> best
> >>>> is treat the user as USER. Not as male or female, but as user! Just
> >>>
> >>> USER sounds as male in czech. It is really simple to make it in
> >>> English:
> >>> "You say" is independent. I have to use brackets to be correct for
> >>> both
> >>> and
> >>> translation is less readable. Or I can talk to USER. Or I can tolk to
> >>> nobody (e.g. change "you must" to "it must be") and it sounds strange
> >>> sometimes. I think language variants can be quite nice feature.
> >>>
> >>>> think about the czech term for user and translate things to it. You
> >>>> have no way of knowing who is male and who is female. Unless your
> >>>> translation file is a bit of a fortune teller :)
> >>>
> >>> But ... I can select skin of aMSN in configuration. Why cannot I
> >>> (read
> >>> "any
> >>> user") select language style?
> >>>
> >>>>     Maybe this was what Luis wanted to say but with a few more
> >>>> words :P
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I understand. But I want a bit enhanced functionality. It is
> >>> not my
> >>> (own) problem. I can make more files and point the right symlink to
> >>> any
> >>> of them. But I have no way to offer such files to all czech users.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>   Pavel
> >>>
> >>>> luis wrote:
> >>>>> hi pavel, hi everyone...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i understand what you are trying to say, but i think you can solve
> >>>>> your problem by balancing between official and friendly and try to
> >>>>> stance both man and woman in you setences...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> .. for instance, i work for the portuguese translataion; i have
> >>>>> problem with certain setences that in english sound official but in
> >>>>> portuguese would sound friendly (and the other way two); so, what i
> >>>>> do is try to sound as much impersonal as possible in order to sound
> >>>>> friendly or official but only depending in the point of view of
> >>>>> who's
> >>>>> reading the sentence (tricky, right?) - either way, and when is
> >>>>> really tough to decide, a choose friendly when it comes to it for
> >>>>> two
> >>>>> reasons: a) it is common language and it is not (or should not be)
> >>>>> offensive to whoever think it is a sir and should be referenced
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> way; b) i tend to be more simple and straightforward then official
> >>>>> and complicated...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ... as for the man and woman part, i really don't know how you are
> >>>>> going to do that, because in portuguese the 'femenin' is made with
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> simple "a" (in most of the cases) in the end of the word; so that i
> >>>>> think you have to figure out yourself...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but, hey, what it is to be an amsn translatior if all it takes is a
> >>>>> walk in the park : )
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel V=E1vra"
> >>>>> <pl...@bl...>
> >>>>> To: <ams...@li...>
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:07 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [Amsn-lang] Language variants
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>  I have a question - probably to translation managers. I am
> >>>>>> working
> >>>>>> on czech translation now and during this work I think about
> >>>>>> variants
> >>>>>> of language file. If I want to be precise, I have to translate
> >>>>>> some
> >>>>>> things differently for user - man and user - woman. Second thing
> >>>>>> is,
> >>>>>> that I can translate sentences more official or more friendly. It
> >>>>>> needs more than one language file corresponding to one language.
> >>>>>> Do
> >>>>>> you think about an extension to existing standard, e.g. change
> >>>>>> name
> >>>>>> convention of language file to lang<language><variant>? I don't
> >>>>>> think that I am just one thinking about variants of language
> >>>>>> files.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pavel
> >>>>>>
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