Slash

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/

" I now challenge the ALA community. We need a good web standards mechanic
(or team of mechanics) to dig though Slashdot's engine, Slashcode, and make
it web-standards-compliant. CmdrTaco has encouraged us to submit patches,
and I know we can show the benefits! The challenge is there - any takers? "

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/21/2223256&mode=flat&tid=124&tid=126&tid=95&tid=99

Can we just improve upon shane's? I don't see it mentioned anywhere, but
it's gotta be a start.

http://software.lottadot.com/software/03/06/17/224243.shtml?tid=10&tid=11

--------------
Blake Carver
LISNews.com
Librarian & Information Science News
http://www.lisnews.com

lists@... (Blake Carver) writes:

> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/
> 
> " I now challenge the ALA community. We need a good web
> standards mechanic (or team of mechanics) to dig though
> Slashdot's engine, Slashcode, and make it
> web-standards-compliant. CmdrTaco has encouraged us to submit
> patches, and I know we can show the benefits! The challenge is
> there - any takers? "
> 
> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/21/2223256&;
> mode=flat&tid=124& tid=126&tid=95&tid=99
> 
> Can we just improve upon shane's? I don't see it mentioned
> anywhere, but it's gotta be a start.
> 
> http://software.lottadot.com/software/03/06/17/224243.shtml?tid=10&tid=11

I'll help to the extent I can.

I've downloaded Shane's but haven't played around with it yet.

Keep in mind there are no promises we'll adopt on Slashdot.org a
whole new system.  It's Rob Malda's call, ultimately.  But if
there are tangible advantages over the old code -- and 2K-9K less
data per page is definitely a tangible advantage -- my guess is
that Rob would seriously consider it.

Note that Slashdot itself uses some custom templates to generate
its HTML, and they aren't publicly available.  But the hard part
is converting the code and the standard (slashcode theme)
templates.  And most of the Slashdot-specific templates are very
similar to the corresponding Slashcode theme template.  If that's
done, one of us Slash coders could probably convert Slashdot in
an afternoon or two.
-- 
  Jamie McCarthy
 http://mccarthy.vg/
  jamie@...

Jamie McCarthy wrote:
> lists@... (Blake Carver) writes:
> 
> > http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/
> > 
> > " I now challenge the ALA community. We need a good web
> > standards mechanic (or team of mechanics) to dig though
> > Slashdot's engine, Slashcode, and make it
> > web-standards-compliant. CmdrTaco has encouraged us to submit
> > patches, and I know we can show the benefits! The challenge is
> > there - any takers? "
> > 
> > http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/21/2223256&;
> > mode=flat&tid=124& tid=126&tid=95&tid=99
> > 
> > Can we just improve upon shane's? I don't see it mentioned
> > anywhere, but it's gotta be a start.
> > 
> > http://software.lottadot.com/software/03/06/17/224243.shtml?tid=10&tid=11
> 
> I'll help to the extent I can.

I can help, but I'm sure you already guessed that.

-- 
Peter Winnberg <peter@...>
Openflows Networks Ltd.

And FWIW, I've long stated that Slashdot's templates need a revamp.   
But there are 2 components to that: The HTML, and the Design.  Simply  
redoing our HTML to have all the fancy HTML available in 2003 that  
wasn't around in 1997 is a great thing, and I'd love to see it  
happen... but a whole new look & feel is a harder sell.  I'd LOVE to  
see it, but as anyone on Slashteam can tell you, I like what I like,  
and if I don't like the look of a new design, it won't go live.

However, reasonable slash templates could fall back to slashcode even  
if they don't get used on Slashdot.  They could be made available for  
users, or perhaps even become a new Slashcode default theme.

On Nov 22, 2003, at 10:49 PM, Jamie McCarthy wrote:

> lists@... (Blake Carver) writes:
>
>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/
>>
>> " I now challenge the ALA community. We need a good web
>> standards mechanic (or team of mechanics) to dig though
>> Slashdot's engine, Slashcode, and make it
>> web-standards-compliant. CmdrTaco has encouraged us to submit
>> patches, and I know we can show the benefits! The challenge is
>> there - any takers? "
>>
>> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/21/2223256&;
>> mode=flat&tid=124& tid=126&tid=95&tid=99
>>
>> Can we just improve upon shane's? I don't see it mentioned
>> anywhere, but it's gotta be a start.
>>
>> http://software.lottadot.com/software/03/06/17/224243.shtml? 
>> tid=10&tid=11
>
> I'll help to the extent I can.
>
> I've downloaded Shane's but haven't played around with it yet.
>
> Keep in mind there are no promises we'll adopt on Slashdot.org a
> whole new system.  It's Rob Malda's call, ultimately.  But if
> there are tangible advantages over the old code -- and 2K-9K less
> data per page is definitely a tangible advantage -- my guess is
> that Rob would seriously consider it.
>
> Note that Slashdot itself uses some custom templates to generate
> its HTML, and they aren't publicly available.  But the hard part
> is converting the code and the standard (slashcode theme)
> templates.  And most of the Slashdot-specific templates are very
> similar to the corresponding Slashcode theme template.  If that's
> done, one of us Slash coders could probably convert Slashdot in
> an afternoon or two.
> -- 
>   Jamie McCarthy
>  http://mccarthy.vg/
>   jamie@...
>
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On Nov 22, 2003, at 12:00 AM, Harold Martin wrote:

> Hello,
> After I created a new poll, the old poll wasn't displayed, but neither
> was the new poll.
> The poll block has these properties:
> Block ID: poll
> Type: portald
> Section: index
> Ordernum: 3
> Portal: Checked
>
> What gives?
>
Again, you don't give any information. People on this list aren't 
psychic, atleast that I know of. You need to supply information 
everytime you post: verion of slash/apache/mysql, version of the perl 
script that does the poll stuff, version of index.pl you're using. Did 
you go into the admin editor and view the poll block to see how it was 
setup? Did you read through the current bug-list on slash's 
soureceforge to see if any of them relate to the poll system.... etc 
etc...

On Nov 22, 2003, at 10:49 PM, Jamie McCarthy wrote:

> lists@... (Blake Carver) writes:
>
>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/
>>
>> " I now challenge the ALA community. We need a good web
>> standards mechanic (or team of mechanics) to dig though
>> Slashdot's engine, Slashcode, and make it
>> web-standards-compliant. CmdrTaco has encouraged us to submit
>> patches, and I know we can show the benefits! The challenge is
>> there - any takers? "
>>
>> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/21/2223256&;
>> mode=flat&tid=124& tid=126&tid=95&tid=99
>>
>> Can we just improve upon shane's? I don't see it mentioned
>> anywhere, but it's gotta be a start.
>>
>> http://software.lottadot.com/software/03/06/17/224243.shtml? 
>> tid=10&tid=11
>
> I'll help to the extent I can.
>
> I've downloaded Shane's but haven't played around with it yet.
>
> Keep in mind there are no promises we'll adopt on Slashdot.org a
> whole new system.  It's Rob Malda's call, ultimately.  But if
> there are tangible advantages over the old code -- and 2K-9K less
> data per page is definitely a tangible advantage -- my guess is
> that Rob would seriously consider it.

Well, I'd settle for the slashcode default templates using CSS.
Atleast I wouldn't spend hours updating my CSS'd templates's everytime  
I do a cvs update ;)

(Yeah, that an exagoration, however, by the time you go through all the  
templates, find what's changed, changed, test, retest, commit, it gets  
old quickly)

> Note that Slashdot itself uses some custom templates to generate
> its HTML, and they aren't publicly available.

So release all those OSDN goodies so we can partake... heh :)

>  But the hard part
> is converting the code and the standard (slashcode theme)
> templates.  And most of the Slashdot-specific templates are very
> similar to the corresponding Slashcode theme template.  If that's
> done, one of us Slash coders could probably convert Slashdot in
> an afternoon or two.

Oh? Hmmm.

I did catch one comment saying that the columns in the CSS shouldn't be  
id/classified with names such as "left/right/etc". I think they're  
correct in saying that, and I don't think I'm guilty of that w/ my CSS.  
I don't think pty was with his either.

But if people are really interested in this, and are willing to devote  
a few hours to it each week, I'm all game. Hell I'll devote  
web/cvs/listserv space to the cause if it'd help, whether we'd be using  
pty's, mine, or starting from a fresh slashcode theme checkout.

  Shane

>>>http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/
>>>
>>>" I now challenge the ALA community. We need a good web
>>>standards mechanic (or team of mechanics) to dig though
>>>Slashdot's engine, Slashcode, and make it
>>>web-standards-compliant. CmdrTaco has encouraged us to submit
>>>patches, and I know we can show the benefits! The challenge is
>>>there - any takers? "


I don't have much time in the next three weeks but going to full css is one 
of my major ambitions with my slashcode based sites.

I am more concerned abut how to update an existing site though  because 
that seems to be a bit more difficult.

Alex

On Nov 23, 2003, at 10:54 PM, Harold Martin wrote:

> On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 17:59, Shane wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 2003, at 12:00 AM, Harold Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> After I created a new poll, the old poll wasn't displayed, but 
>>> neither
>>> was the new poll.
>>> The poll block has these properties:
>>> Block ID: poll
>>> Type: portald
>>> Section: index
>>> Ordernum: 3
>>> Portal: Checked
>>>
>>> What gives?
>>>
>> Again, you don't give any information. People on this list aren't
>> psychic, atleast that I know of. You need to supply information
>> everytime you post: verion of slash/apache/mysql, version of the perl
>> script that does the poll stuff, version of index.pl you're using. Did
>> you go into the admin editor and view the poll block to see how it was
>> setup? Did you read through the current bug-list on slash's
>> soureceforge to see if any of them relate to the poll system.... etc
>> etc...
>>
> Apologies, I didn't realize that was standard procedure.
> But treating me to days of silence won't suddenly make me realize I
> should've included that info.
>
> Linux kernel: 2.6.0-test9
> Linux distro: Gentoo (RedHat like)
> Slash:        2.2.6
> MySQL:        Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.16
> Perl:         5.8.2
> Apache:       1.3.29
> mod_perl:     1.27-r4
> index.pl:     1.11.2.24 2001/08/20 13:37:52
> pollBooth.pl:  1.15.2.10 2001/10/17 19:08:35
>
> None of the added polls are showing up under /pollBooth.pl
>
> I think I may have figured out the cause of this issue.
> I dumped the database to another HD, moved the original DB, then
> symlinked the DB directory to the path that I dumped to.
> (All per MySQL documentation, manual section 5.6.1.1).
> Since then, no database changes appear to be taking place (ie new
> stories), though SELECTs seem to be doin fine.
> I have ensured that permissions of the symlink and it's directories are
> equal to all of the old database's.
> I rm's the symlink, created a dir, and used mount --bind, but that
> didn't work either.
>
> I will ask about this on the MySQL list, as I realize that's probably
> the most appropriate place to go now.
>
> Thanks,
> Harold
>

check your current_qid variable in slash (admin.pl, vars).

that variable decides which poll shows up on the frontpage, I believe. 
(the name
may not be exactly correct as I'm typing it, but I'm 100% sure 'qid' is 
in the var's name)
See what that has in it...

  Shane

On Nov 24, 2003, at 3:00 AM, alex wrote:

>
>>>> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slashdot/
>>>>
>>>> " I now challenge the ALA community. We need a good web
>>>> standards mechanic (or team of mechanics) to dig though
>>>> Slashdot's engine, Slashcode, and make it
>>>> web-standards-compliant. CmdrTaco has encouraged us to submit
>>>> patches, and I know we can show the benefits! The challenge is
>>>> there - any takers? "
>
>
> I don't have much time in the next three weeks but going to full css  
> is one of my major ambitions with my slashcode based sites.
>
> I am more concerned abut how to update an existing site though   
> because that seems to be a bit more difficult.
>
> Alex
>
If you're referring to switching an existing site's theme, it's not  
difficult. I did it and posted how I did it on:

http://software.lottadot.com/article.pl?sid=03/06/17/ 
224243&tid=10&tid=11

I would definitely try it on a test-server first, however :)

  Shane

On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 08:48, Shane wrote:
> On Nov 23, 2003, at 10:54 PM, Harold Martin wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 17:59, Shane wrote:
> >> On Nov 22, 2003, at 12:00 AM, Harold Martin wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> After I created a new poll, the old poll wasn't displayed, but 
> >>> neither
> >>> was the new poll.
> >>> The poll block has these properties:
> >>> Block ID: poll
> >>> Type: portald
> >>> Section: index
> >>> Ordernum: 3
> >>> Portal: Checked
> >>>
> >>> What gives?
> >>>
> >> Again, you don't give any information. People on this list aren't
> >> psychic, atleast that I know of. You need to supply information
> >> everytime you post: verion of slash/apache/mysql, version of the perl
> >> script that does the poll stuff, version of index.pl you're using. Did
> >> you go into the admin editor and view the poll block to see how it was
> >> setup? Did you read through the current bug-list on slash's
> >> soureceforge to see if any of them relate to the poll system.... etc
> >> etc...
> >>
> > Apologies, I didn't realize that was standard procedure.
> > But treating me to days of silence won't suddenly make me realize I
> > should've included that info.
> >
> > Linux kernel: 2.6.0-test9
> > Linux distro: Gentoo (RedHat like)
> > Slash:        2.2.6
> > MySQL:        Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.16
> > Perl:         5.8.2
> > Apache:       1.3.29
> > mod_perl:     1.27-r4
> > index.pl:     1.11.2.24 2001/08/20 13:37:52
> > pollBooth.pl:  1.15.2.10 2001/10/17 19:08:35
> >
> > None of the added polls are showing up under /pollBooth.pl
> >
> > I think I may have figured out the cause of this issue.
> > I dumped the database to another HD, moved the original DB, then
> > symlinked the DB directory to the path that I dumped to.
> > (All per MySQL documentation, manual section 5.6.1.1).
> > Since then, no database changes appear to be taking place (ie new
> > stories), though SELECTs seem to be doin fine.
> > I have ensured that permissions of the symlink and it's directories are
> > equal to all of the old database's.
> > I rm's the symlink, created a dir, and used mount --bind, but that
> > didn't work either.
> >
> > I will ask about this on the MySQL list, as I realize that's probably
> > the most appropriate place to go now.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Harold
> >
> 
> check your current_qid variable in slash (admin.pl, vars).
> 
> that variable decides which poll shows up on the frontpage, I believe. 
> (the name
> may not be exactly correct as I'm typing it, but I'm 100% sure 'qid' is 
> in the var's name)
> See what that has in it...
> 
>   Shane
currentqid = 0
Manually setting it to the qid of a valid poll (ie 1) makes the poll
appear on the main page.

Obviously something is foobared though, since trying to create a new
poll with the Poll item in the admin menu does not insert the poll info
into the DB and resets currentqid to 0

Thanks,
Harold