xine - a free video player

I only have an opinion about the first option.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 10:40:42PM +0100, Guenter Bartsch wrote:
> Oki, here are some ideas, how about...
> 
> - being sponsored by a company? - anybody know a good way to find a
>   sponsor? anybody have contacts to some companies in the multimedia
>   business seeking a playback application?

I have for a long time been a fanatical user of freeamp.  They went the
sponsored way.  The companies sponsoring decided to stop sponsoring, the
code stopped developing.  The only activity left on the devel mailing list
are people asking where to get a non Microsoft STL.  This is not an opinion
for or against sponsorship, just a fear.

Jeff

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Hi G=FCnter,

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Guenter Bartsch wrote:

> first of all: xine is free software and I have _no_ intentions to change
> that in any way. And I will continue to work on xine as I ever did.

Well, I'm glad you said that, and I guess the GPL somehow warrants that
xine will stay a free software project, but I still have a bad feeling
about getting money for xine. But as I have already had a few thoughts
about that topic, I might as well share them...

[...]
> xine is not a company, right ... err, that (at least here in germany) als=
o
> means it cannot be sponsored, cannot be given money. So, the only aproach
> I can legaly think of is sponsoring/donations to individual developers.
> This also has the benefit of no fights about who is getting which amount
> of money possibly given to the project as a whole.

Well, sponsoring individuals is _very_ unattractive for any company. At
least in Germany, they can't even write that money off against tax...
An option would be founding a registered society. That's not too expensive
(<EUR 50.- IIRC) and allows people to really sponsor the project. If that
society qualifies as a non-profit society ("gemeinn=FCtziger e.V" in
Germany), people could even donate to it, writing up to 100% off against
tax.

> - being sponsored by a company? - anybody know a good way to find a
>   sponsor? anybody have contacts to some companies in the multimedia
>   business seeking a playback application?

Hmmm, how about me?
I could also ask some multimedia companies I know if they need someone...
What about Burosch?

> - a sponsoring page on the xine website?
>=20
>   this page could mention every developer who wants to get sponsored
>   and a contact address and maybe his paypal account? Anybody have any
>   experiences with paypal? Other ways to receive money online,
>   international ?

Well, that would probably work if it's something funny like the=20
"pizza supply details" on
http://samba.org/samba/ftp/docs/faq/Samba-meta-FAQ-2.html
Otherwise, I'd seriously doubt that anyone would donate anything...=20

> - a donation page on the xine website?
>=20
>   pretty much like the previous idea, but more focused on individual user=
s
>   who enjoy xine every day and want to donate a bit of money ?

Well, I like the idea of a page listing donators/sponsors/whatever. Maybe
we can combine that with a recommendation page (things like: buy cmedia
cards, they give out the specs, but beware of via, they don't even answer
mails...)

> - developers working for a company?
>=20
>   xine itself is free software, but some companies could be looking for
>   somebody to customize xine for their product/platform, think of
>   embedded stuff like set-top-boxes or webpads? Who could do that
>   job better than a real xine developer? - I'd be definitele interested i=
n
>   such a job, but how to find one

I don't think that's too difficult, but we should probably discuss that
privately ;-)

> - a nice, blinking banner ad on the xine front web page ... ok, just
>   kidding ;>

Well, it would surely work (as opposed to many other suggestions in this
mail). But I'd really _hate_ it!

I'm still concerned that money could make much more damage than it helps
in this project, but other kinds of donations (Hardware, DVDs, nice
holiday in Lisbon if you're holding a speech there, ...) are rather
motivating...

Cheers,
=09Siggi

On Tuesday 20 Nov 2001 9:40 pm, Guenter Bartsch wrote:
> Hi everyone,

Hi

[snip]

> Oki, here are some ideas, how about...
>
> - being sponsored by a company?=20

I should imagine that the main way the free software gets sponsorship is=20
through one of the distros. E.g. SuSE with KDE, RedHat with the Kernel, e=
tc.=20
Perhaps if we could convince some distro to invest in Xine a a generic me=
dia=20
player to put on the front of their boxes...

I suppose with many Xine people being European (and esp. German), SuSE is=
 the=20
obvious choice here. I've no idea if anyone should approach the distros o=
r=20
whether it is a 'don't phone us, we'll phone you' situation.

> - a sponsoring page on the xine website?

This would be a possiblity (e.g. a page asking for people to sponsor the =
DVd=20
collection of James and I :)). Although I, myself, would feel a little=20
a-moral if I accepted a donation personally without sharing some of it wi=
th=20
the rest of the Xine community.

OTOH, I would feel equally as bad if I received money intended to sponsor=
,=20
e.g. better sync in Xine or more output plugins as I don't extensively wo=
rk=20
in this field.

I think personal developer donations could quickly become rather sticky=20
(although I'm in no way opposed to people sponsoring my DVD collection :)=
).

> - a donation page on the xine website?

I think this would be somewhat better. Perhaps Guenter or a trusted party=
=20
could issue 'expenses' to Xine developers from this central account. Howe=
ver,=20
the party would have to be someone everyone trusted to perform this duty=20
fairly and there may be tax/legality worries.

I've no idea how difficult German law makes the setting up of limited=20
liability organisations or the like which may be able to act as a 'shell=20
company' to Xine in much the same way as SPI act for Debian.

> - developers working for a company?

Again, I'd say with either a) the distros (esp. SuSE in Germany) or b) wi=
th=20
an embedded video company. The problem with b) is the education many=20
companies need about Free Software and also making sure that a contract m=
eans=20
that the Intellectual Property you generate on a company's pay-roll eithe=
r=20
belongs to you or that you have the right to choose distribution=20
terms/licenses.=20

> - a nice, blinking banner ad on the xine front web page ... ok, just
>   kidding ;>

Although has anyone noticed the sudden presence of such a thing in the CV=
S=20
browser on SourceForge...

> oki, enough from me - can't wait to hear your opinions on this matter :=
-)

How about acting as a (freelance?) consultant for integrating Xine techno=
logy=20
into a product? Just a suggestion.

Of couse a few extra pounds (dollars, euros, deutch-marks, whatever) this=
=20
Christmas would come in useful... especially as some of us are going to t=
he=20
US to visit our g/f :)

Rich

--=20
Rich

It usually takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech=
=2E
=09=09-- Mark Twain

Guenther,

Sell an Xpack. To explain: Windows XP claims to support DVD playback
through Windows media player - it doesn't, instead relying on third
party plugins from Cybermedia or Intervideo to provide the actual
codecs.

If Xine is portable, combine mpeg2dec and whatever else is necessary in
a nice little installer package (there are $free ones out there), sell
it for less than Intervideo and Cybermedia do, and put out a press
release. 

LibDVDcss issues play a part though. Host the web store in France or New
Zealand perhaps?

Mike

On Wed, 2001-11-21 at 08:40, Guenter Bartsch wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> first of all: xine is free software and I have _no_ intentions to change
> that in any way. And I will continue to work on xine as I ever did.
> 
> But, for the last few weeks and months every now-and-then I'm thinking
> about money and I ask myself: now that xine is big and many people enjoy
> using it, is there perhaps the potential in it to earn some money? Not
> just for me, but potentially everyone involved. Some people like Daniel,
> Miguel, Rich, James, Juergen ... 'cat xine-lib/AUTHORS'... have
> spent a lot of time on this project. Yes, I know this is basically what
> some dot-com startups have been thinking and we all know where most of
> them are today. But let's take a minute and think about some possibilites
> here - after all, xine is not a company (and I have no intentions to turn
> it into one), so we cannot go bankrupt ... all I'm thinking of some extra
> $$, perhaps for a bigger xmas for some (all?)of us.
> 
> xine is not a company, right ... err, that (at least here in germany) also
> means it cannot be sponsored, cannot be given money. So, the only aproach
> I can legaly think of is sponsoring/donations to individual developers.
> This also has the benefit of no fights about who is getting which amount
> of money possibly given to the project as a whole.
> 
> Oki, here are some ideas, how about...
> 
> - being sponsored by a company? - anybody know a good way to find a
>   sponsor? anybody have contacts to some companies in the multimedia
>   business seeking a playback application?
> 
> - a sponsoring page on the xine website?
> 
>   this page could mention every developer who wants to get sponsored
>   and a contact address and maybe his paypal account? Anybody have any
>   experiences with paypal? Other ways to receive money online,
>   international ?
> 
> - a donation page on the xine website?
> 
>   pretty much like the previous idea, but more focused on individual users
>   who enjoy xine every day and want to donate a bit of money ?
> 
> - developers working for a company?
> 
>   xine itself is free software, but some companies could be looking for
>   somebody to customize xine for their product/platform, think of
>   embedded stuff like set-top-boxes or webpads? Who could do that
>   job better than a real xine developer? - I'd be definitele interested in
>   such a job, but how to find one?
> 
> - a nice, blinking banner ad on the xine front web page ... ok, just
>   kidding ;>
> 
> oki, enough from me - can't wait to hear your opinions on this matter :-)
> 
>    Guenter
> 
> --
> time is a funny concept
> 
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Guenter,

I'm not against making money from xine, but this sounds pretty strange...

Having a developer paid by any company to work on xine wouldn't really 
make any difference for the other ones. This is a common thing on 
several OS projects. I think you may be a bit worried of how such 
arrangement could be made: if one of us contacts a company to be 
sponsored no problem. But if a company asks to sponsor xine?

If any company (or user) wants to customize xine for some hardware, box 
etc, they could ask at xine-devel if anyone would pick that. Being paid 
to work on xine or just receiving the target hardware as donation may be 
interesting for someone.

Just don't get too much obstinated on this idea. It would look VERY bad 
to have xine homepage dedicating much space about making money, 
sponsoring and etc. Some discrete "buy cds/dvds to fund my colletion" 
(like Alan Cox diary) for each developer would be much nicer.

I have no plans to get a job/sponsor with xine in the near future. Next 
year i will be doing master degree and working at the university.

xine is already one of the best multimedia players for linux. IMO it 
also has the very best architecture (have anybody looked into mplayer 
sources??? it sucks) and that solid foundation should guarantee us room 
for a pretty steady evolution.

Besides having the best player to watch my own dvds, i love being part 
of that work! It's also very gratifying to hear users saying good things 
about xine. I think we have an excelent opportunity to make _THE_ open 
source multimedia player. There's not a single commercial multimedia/dvd 
player for linux to compete yet. If we make a good quality 1.0 release 
and them have it included on major distros, kde etc we are done! :) Look 
at winamp, now they have a linux version: does anybody care? NO. I will 
keep using xmms.

Well that's it. I would prefer to not having money stuff on xine 
homepage. A cd/dvd donation would be fine. Sponsoring may eventually be 
a natural result of our success... ;)


Regards,

Miguel Freitas

PS: i tried #xine channel today...wow, i haven't used irc for ages...i 
don't even know its commands! :) After feature freeze what about some 
bug-hunting day at irc?

Siggi Langauf wrote:

> I'm still concerned that money could make much more damage than it helps
> in this project, but other kinds of donations (Hardware, DVDs, nice
> holiday in Lisbon if you're holding a speech there, ...) are rather
> motivating...

Wise words... ;)

Miguel

Hi Miguel,

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Miguel Freitas wrote:

> I'm not against making money from xine, but this sounds pretty
> strange...

making some money of free software is certainly nothing strange, in fact
it really complies even with RMS - as long as the software stays free, as
I said, I have no intentions to change that. So, no need to worry here.


> Having a developer paid by any company to work on xine wouldn't really
> make any difference for the other ones. This is a common thing on
> several OS projects. I think you may be a bit worried of how such
> arrangement could be made: if one of us contacts a company to be
> sponsored no problem. But if a company asks to sponsor xine?

again, as I said in my original posting, only individual developers may be
sponsored, not the xine project as a whole - the xine project is not legal
entity, it's not a company or club or anything so it cannot receive money
or gifts. My vision (at the moment, this may change as I hear more
opinions) is to set up a donation/sponsoring web page, linked from the
main web page - this shouldn't use up too much space there. On that page
we could list sponsors / people who have donated money or things -
basically who has given what to whom. We could also have a developers
wishlist there:

<developer a >: - dreams of having his own SGI machine
                - thankfull for additions to his DVD collection

                Hubba Inc. has donated a PIII 800

                Bill G. has sponsored him a 10-year world
                trip so at least once he get's away from his
                computer

                ...

<developer b :> - help me complete my DVD collection!
                - currently unemployed - have an multimedia-related job
                  for me?

                HAL Inc. graceously donated a WeakPC system so
                I can finally complete my Betivec port


> If any company (or user) wants to customize xine for some hardware, box
> etc, they could ask at xine-devel if anyone would pick that. Being paid
> to work on xine or just receiving the target hardware as donation may be
> interesting for someone.

definitely. But I think we should mention that on the web site as well, I
think a lot of companies just don't know how to "handle" a project like
xine, so just a few sentences "post to xine-devel about your project..."
could help here.

> Just don't get too much obstinated on this idea. It would look VERY bad
> to have xine homepage dedicating much space about making money,

making money doesn't contradict the idea of free software but anyway, as I
said, I don't think we'll spend a lot of space for that - basically a link
and all the money/donation related stuff will reside on a seperate page.

> sponsoring and etc. Some discrete "buy cds/dvds to fund my colletion"
> (like Alan Cox diary) for each developer would be much nicer.

yep, that's definitely what I'm thinking of, too

> I have no plans to get a job/sponsor with xine in the near future. Next
> year i will be doing master degree and working at the university.

hey, pretty much what I intend to do in my "real life" as well :-)

but anyway I wouldn't mind getting some extra $$ or some nice donations
from the xine project - but every developer is of course free not to join
the sponsoring/donations page.

> I think we have an excelent opportunity to make _THE_ open
> source multimedia player.

heyhey, we do free software here, not just open source.

> There's not a single commercial multimedia/dvd
> player for linux to compete yet. If we make a good quality 1.0 release
> and them have it included on major distros, kde etc we are done! :)

sure - but again, free software and being commercial is no contradiction.
The real enemy is proprietary software.

> PS: i tried #xine channel today...

argh - didn't have time to join #xine today, was working too long at
university. hope to meet you there soon.

> After feature freeze what about some bug-hunting day at irc?

nice idea - I really think #xine will become very important as we get
close to 1.0 - we can have some valuable feedback from users there

Cheers,

   Guenter

--
time is a funny concept

Hi,

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Miguel Freitas wrote:

> > I'm still concerned that money could make much more damage than it helps
> > in this project

why?

> > but other kinds of donations (Hardware, DVDs, nice
> > holiday in Lisbon if you're holding a speech there, ...) are rather
> > motivating...

if you don't want money, you don't have to accept any. but shouldn't every
developer decide for himself if and what he wants to accept?

For me, a trip to lisbon certainly wouldn't be motivating (I hate
traveling, believe it or not) - but somebody sending me some $$ to buy a
bigger hd or somebody donating his old powermac (-book? ;)) certainly
would.

people are different.

Cheers,

   Guenter

--
time is a funny concept

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xine-devel-admin@...
> [mailto:xine-devel-admin@... Behalf Of Rich Wareham
> Sent: 20 November 2001 23:32
> To: bartscgr@...; Guenter Bartsch; xine-dev
> Subject: Re: [xine-devel] xine sponsoring
>
>
>
> This would be a possibility (e.g. a page asking for people to
> sponsor the DVd
> collection of James and I :)). Although I, myself, would feel a little
> a-moral if I accepted a donation personally without sharing some
> of it with
> the rest of the Xine community.
>
Talking of sponsoring, I really need to borrow a sound card which can record
SPDIF without modifying it in any way.
I.E. Record an SPDIF AC3 signal from an external device, Record an SPDIF DTS
signal from an external device.

I have a SB Live and it trashes the signal on input. Interpolators or
Daleks(as I call them) exterminate Non-audio signals.

With that I could finally track all the SB Live AC3/DTS passthru problems.

Once I have it all working, I will return the borrowed sound card to the
sender.

Cheers
James

Hi Guenter,

I think i got your points and i'm mostly for it. Just comenting a few 
mistakes:

Guenter Bartsch wrote:

> making some money of free software is certainly nothing strange, in fact
> it really complies even with RMS - as long as the software stays free, as
> I said, I have no intentions to change that. So, no need to worry here.


Yes, of course! I would not mind if anybody start selling xine at 
circuit city, fry's eletronics... In fact i would love to see that! :)

> main web page - this shouldn't use up too much space there. On that page
> we could list sponsors / people who have donated money or things -
> basically who has given what to whom. We could also have a developers
> wishlist there:


That would be great!

> definitely. But I think we should mention that on the web site as well, I
> think a lot of companies just don't know how to "handle" a project like
> xine, so just a few sentences "post to xine-devel about your project..."
> could help here.


Agreed.

 
>>I have no plans to get a job/sponsor with xine in the near future. Next
>>year i will be doing master degree and working at the university.
>>
> 
> hey, pretty much what I intend to do in my "real life" as well :-)
> 
> but anyway I wouldn't mind getting some extra $$ or some nice donations
> from the xine project - but every developer is of course free not to join
> the sponsoring/donations page.


I wouldn't mind receiving hardware/dvd donations and money either! :)


 
>>I think we have an excelent opportunity to make _THE_ open
>>source multimedia player.
>>
> 
> heyhey, we do free software here, not just open source.
 

Sorry, i really mean free software.

 
>>There's not a single commercial multimedia/dvd
>>player for linux to compete yet. If we make a good quality 1.0 release
>>and them have it included on major distros, kde etc we are done! :)
>>
> 
> sure - but again, free software and being commercial is no contradiction.
> The real enemy is proprietary software.


Again i've choosen the wrong words... just because most comercial 
software is proprietary.

I tried to say that most proprietary software can get ready faster than 
free software because they have full time workers on it. I believe free 
software will produce better (and more important: free in the RMS sense) 
alternatives in the long run. But actually we have a time window of no 
proprietary competition and a really good software already. Maybe next 
year we can start competing with Media Player! :)


Regards,

Miguel Freitas

Hi Siggi,

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Siggi Langauf wrote:

> > first of all: xine is free software and I have _no_ intentions to chang=
e
> > that in any way. And I will continue to work on xine as I ever did.
>
> Well, I'm glad you said that, and I guess the GPL somehow warrants that
> xine will stay a free software project, but I still have a bad feeling
> about getting money for xine.

free software can be commercial, even RMS says that - I don't think
there's anything wrong with making money on free software.

> Well, sponsoring individuals is _very_ unattractive for any company. At
> least in Germany, they can't even write that money off against tax...

well, but they will be mentioned on the xine home page:

Developer Braunohr is kindly supported by
<A HREF=3D"http://www.draht.de"> Draht GmbH & Co KG </A>
your favourity source for different lengths of wire. Complete your
collection today!

we'll see if any company will find that offer attractive - maybe some
advertising dep. will find this more beneficial than spending their money
for banner ads on amazon.

> An option would be founding a registered society. That's not too expensiv=
e
> (<EUR 50.- IIRC) and allows people to really sponsor the project. If that
> society qualifies as a non-profit society ("gemeinn=FCtziger e.V" in
> Germany), people could even donate to it, writing up to 100% off against
> tax.

xine e.V. ? ... uohm, not that makes me a bit worried ... certainly not at
the moment for me, but if you want to register xine e.V. (and pay the fee
;)), I won't keep you

> > - being sponsored by a company? - anybody know a good way to find a
> >   sponsor? anybody have contacts to some companies in the multimedia
> >   business seeking a playback application?
>
> Hmmm, how about me?

you want to sponsor me? ;>

> I could also ask some multimedia companies I know if they need someone...

you know multimedia companies? - humm, didn't know that. I think we really
need to phone soon ;>

> What about Burosch?

definitely no multimedia company, but that's a different story, I don't
think people on this mailing list are that interested in this.


> Well, I like the idea of a page listing donators/sponsors/whatever. Maybe
> we can combine that with a recommendation page (things like: buy cmedia
> cards, they give out the specs, but beware of via, they don't even answer
> mails...)

ok about the cmedia part (although they never answered any of my emails
#-)), but I think we should be _very_ careful saying anything negative
about a company. Personally I have made some quite frustrating experiences
with companies that said they want to sponsor me (yes, folks, I have been
looking for a sponsor for quite some time already, though this is the
first time I do it publicly) and one company I even worked for and never
saw any money - but I'd never mention them on the xine homepage, danger of
being sued is just too high.

> > - a nice, blinking banner ad on the xine front web page ... ok, just
> >   kidding ;>
>
> Well, it would surely work (as opposed to many other suggestions in this
> mail).

erm - you are aware that the online advertising marked is essentially
_dead_, are you?

Cheers,

   Guenter


--
time is a funny concept

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:19:35AM +0100, Guenter Bartsch wrote:
> > > I'm still concerned that money could make much more damage than it helps
> > > in this project

> why?

I can see at least two possible reasons:

first, if someone starts to expect some money, and eventually it
doesnt come, he can feel discouraged and want to quit. Or someone
starts to say "I would need $xx to implement this", and he doesnt get
the $xx, he will not be encouraged to implement stuff even if he does
get more free time later. Basically unless you quit your job to work
fulltime on xine I can more easily see how money would discourage
things than how it would help them. For that one reason hardware is
probably a better bounty :)

the second reason would be jealousy - if you know mr X will get $xx
for doing something, and you wont get anything, maybe you wont be
encouraged to help him solve whatever problems he may have.

Honestly, my first reaction to your post was a bit negative. But
seeing your other posts I feel more reassured - basically your
approach of the donations page seems sensible, and knowing that you
were already deceived by a potential sponsor in the past - at least we
know how you deal with these deceiptions now :)

Now if I had to make a wish list... I used to get frustrated whenever
there was a xine announcement and libmpeg2 is never mentionned. I even
met some (mplayer, but this is the same story) developpers who had no
idea there is a separate tree for libmpeg2. I was frustrated enough to
insert that silly one-line url in all mpeg2dec headers. OK I'll admit
this is my fault for not making a more easily reuseable version of
libmpeg2 though. And number two on my list would be some relatively
older test machines - a dual celeron 400 would be ideal, so I can play
both with SMP and with slower CPUs. Or an i810 to play with XvMC. Or
something :) I dont really expect much from the $$$ side though - I
would be very surprised if it worked at all :)

-- 
Michel "Walken" LESPINASSE
Is this the best that god can do ? Then I'm not impressed.

Hi,

> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:19:35AM +0100, Guenter Bartsch wrote:
> > > > I'm still concerned that money could make much more damage than it helps
> > > > in this project
> 
> > why?
> 
> I can see at least two possible reasons:
> 
> first, if someone starts to expect some money, and eventually it
> doesnt come, he can feel discouraged and want to quit. Or someone
> starts to say "I would need $xx to implement this", and he doesnt get
> the $xx, he will not be encouraged to implement stuff even if he does
> get more free time later. Basically unless you quit your job to work
> fulltime on xine I can more easily see how money would discourage
> things than how it would help them. For that one reason hardware is
> probably a better bounty :)

i 100% agree with you, and it worked well for mplayer project.
we have a sponsor (a not-yet-well-known hungarian linux distribution)
and they donate us hardware (including server for ftp/cvs etc) for the
development.

> the second reason would be jealousy - if you know mr X will get $xx
> for doing something, and you wont get anything, maybe you wont be
> encouraged to help him solve whatever problems he may have.
yes, this is the usual end of money sponsoring :(
(i know it from an old project we made)

> Now if I had to make a wish list... I used to get frustrated whenever
> there was a xine announcement and libmpeg2 is never mentionned. I even
> met some (mplayer, but this is the same story) developpers who had no
hmm. afaik you (and libmpeg2) are mentioned at every reasonable place
of mplayer documentation. and there were no mplayer announcements :)
(except one at freshmeat, but that paragraph begins with libmpeg2 :))

> idea there is a separate tree for libmpeg2. I was frustrated enough to
> insert that silly one-line url in all mpeg2dec headers. OK I'll admit
> this is my fault for not making a more easily reuseable version of
yes. i sent some patches before 0.2.0 was released, but you didn't liked
it (i could accept as it was messy) and promised some better way to
export info what we need. the other 2 things were your libvo version
and the built-in mpeg-es parser. btw "our version" just differs in
decode.c and a few line in header.c
but i think this is topic of mpeg2dec-devel, not xine.

> older test machines - a dual celeron 400 would be ideal, so I can play
> both with SMP and with slower CPUs. Or an i810 to play with XvMC. Or
is there XvMC support for i810 already?

> something :) I dont really expect much from the $$$ side though - I
> would be very surprised if it worked at all :)
do you need complete machine or just a mainboard+cpu ?
i can ask our sponsor...

sorry for being a bit offtopic here.

A'rpi / Astral & ESP-team

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Hi Michel,

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Michel LESPINASSE wrote:

> first, if someone starts to expect some money, and eventually it
> doesnt come, he can feel discouraged and want to quit.

developers may feel discouraged by any other reason as well and they may
quit any time they want - and they may re-join the project any time they
want, in fact, I think this is not one of the weaknesses but one of the
strengths of a free project.

> the second reason would be jealousy - if you know mr X will get $xx
> for doing something, and you wont get anything, maybe you wont be
> encouraged to help him solve whatever problems he may have.

yep - I think that's ok.

> Now if I had to make a wish list... I used to get frustrated whenever
> there was a xine announcement and libmpeg2 is never mentionned.

libmpeg2 is mentioned on the xine home page (front page), you are
personally listet in the AUTHORS file (in the section active developers),

what more do you want?!?

> And number two on my list would be some relatively
> older test machines - a dual celeron 400 would be ideal, so I can play
> both with SMP and with slower CPUs. Or an i810 to play with XvMC. Or
> something :) I dont really expect much from the $$$ side though - I
> would be very surprised if it worked at all :)

oki, I've added this to the donations-page I'm currently constructing (I
think this will go on the air on the 0.9.5 release).

Anybody else who wants to take part in this, please send me your wishlist
entry!

Cheers,

   Guenter

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