Webware for Python

Looks pretty sharp.

For what it's worth, when I put up the 0.8 release on SF, I checked into 
getting it running with a OneShot adapter, but the SF servers were not 
compatible with it.  It turns out there is some sort of bug that results 
in various segfaults with some math functions.  In particular, log(5) 
couldn't be done which is needed in the initialization of the random 
module.  I filed a bug report with them, but they had not gotten around 
to it in a while.  Note that the same math function fails in python, and 
in perl.

Anyway, I had hoped to set it up so that Webware could host its own home 
page.  But that'll need to wait a little longer unless we want to move 
the home page off to another site.

-Stuart-


Tom von Schwerdtner wrote:

>Greetings,
>
> While Chuck's style appeals to me quite a bit, I think the "public
>image" of Webware could be spiced up a bit....so I tossed this together:
>
>http://home.etria.org/webware/
>
>(in case I break something before anyone checks:
>http://home.etria.org/~tvon/webware_site.png)
>
>Comments?  Should I stop now or keep going?
>
>(Note: The logo is just "a logo to fill that space"...its a pretty
>common style and I think I might have even stolen it from the back of my
>head somewhere....so, comments/suggestions welcome).
>
>-Tom
>
>
>  
>

On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 23:51, Stuart Donaldson wrote:
> Looks pretty sharp.

Thanks :)

> For what it's worth, when I put up the 0.8 release on SF, I checked into=20
> getting it running with a OneShot adapter, but the SF servers were not=20
> compatible with it.  It turns out there is some sort of bug that results=20
> in various segfaults with some math functions.  In particular, log(5)=20
> couldn't be done which is needed in the initialization of the random=20
> module.  I filed a bug report with them, but they had not gotten around=20
> to it in a while.  Note that the same math function fails in python, and=20
> in perl.
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> Anyway, I had hoped to set it up so that Webware could host its own home=20
> page.  But that'll need to wait a little longer unless we want to move=20
> the home page off to another site.

It occurred to me when I started playing that doing it with Webware
itself might not be a hot idea since the SF servers are laregly out of
anyone's control...however the design is the main part, so it would be
easy to switch to php or xml -> html or whatever anyone wants...

As far as external hosting goes, I can host it on my company server, so
long as nobody minds a small "powered by my company" button for the
trouble. It is a johncompanies.com server if anyone is worried about
uptime or reliability (though, a 486sx in my grandmothers basement is
probably more reliable than SF servers). I'd want releases and downloads
to be kept on the SF servers for the sake of bandwidth, but otherwise
things are mostly setup for Webware hosting already (which BTW, we will
be providing shortly if anyone is looking).

I can provide shell accounts for any dev's who want to work on or manage
the site....so, lemme know....

-Tom

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Tom von Schwerdtner <tvon@...>
The Etria Group

On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 21:25, Tom von Schwerdtner wrote:
> http://home.etria.org/webware/

Cool... yes, we definitely could use a different homepage.  There's a
perception -- unfortunately not entirely unfounded -- that Webware isn't
going anywhere.  I think we've been making some more progress lately,
and a new website could help people better realize that.  I like the
design.

  Ian

Okay folks, reactions don't seem to be of the death-threat nature, so
I'm going to do more work on this.

I think being self-hosting is a big deal, so I'm going to keep going
with it in that direction. =20

-T

On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 21:25, Tom von Schwerdtner wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
>  While Chuck's style appeals to me quite a bit, I think the "public
> image" of Webware could be spiced up a bit....so I tossed this together:
> 
> http://home.etria.org/webware/
> 

Looks great, Tom.  I agree that the site needs some sprucing up.  A
sharp looking site makes a good impression, and IMO your sample is a big
improvement.

Thanks for working on this!

-- 
Jason D. Hildebrand
jason@...

Here's some stuff i put together a couple of months ago.

http://www.fatslice.com/tmp/webware_logos.gif
(check the lower section)

I think it's nice to have two versions of the logo. One main 
horizontal like the one down to the right, and one like the squares 
down to the left which are good for "badges", stationaries, flow 
charts etc.

---

For the home page, I don't think we should use the logo color to 
much. In that case, perhaps a lighter tone + 2 tones of grey and a 
orange-yellow for links etc. Black text, white bg.


Also, I think it's really really important to keep the site simple, 
both graphical and clientside technical. We don't want a "microsoft" 
site with loads of buggy stylesheets and other dhtml c**p. I'm 
currently on chimera or safari on the Mac and the previous submitted 
site didn't work in any of those.


So my suggestion. No fancy webdesign, use old-school html, no 
scripts, css and such, just keep it plain and simple!



/David

I've put together a rough draft for the webware site
-
http://www.fatslice.com/tmp/webware_www_sketch1.png

On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 18:09, david e wrote:
> http://www.fatslice.com/tmp/webware_www_sketch1.png

Looks nice, though it could use higher contrast -- black on gray is
fine, but the other text is too low in contrast.  

I like the layout, with the menu at the top, news to the side,
presumably the "why you'd use Webware" schpeal in the larger section.  

At some point we need to decide on a decision process for the site and
logo...

  Ian

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On Thursday 10 April 2003 02:37 am, Ian Bicking wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 18:09, david e wrote:
> > http://www.fatslice.com/tmp/webware_www_sketch1.png

http://home.etria.org/webware/TODO

Complete with very in-complete TODO list.

> Looks nice, though it could use higher contrast -- black on gray is
> fine, but the other text is too low in contrast.

Personally I don't like gray bg's much (reminds me of Yahoo and old=20
no-background-set websites).

> I like the layout, with the menu at the top, news to the side,
> presumably the "why you'd use Webware" schpeal in the larger section.



> At some point we need to decide on a decision process for the site and
> logo...

My plan is to do 2-3 templates of the website (with diff logo's) and to the=
n=20
call for a vote.  My personal favorite is the current setup, but I still wa=
nt=20
to do a few others as alternatives.

Once I have a decent method for 'skinning' the site, I'll toss a note out t=
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the list.  I can even give a template so peeps can see what var's go where=
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and can submit their own templates.

=2D -Tom

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The Etria Group
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