Gtk2Hs - A GUI Library for Haskell

ROUGE Alain (Alain.ROUGE@...) wrote:

Hi Alain!

> that's an amazing work and haskell NEEDS a binding to gtk2.

> in my mind gtk2 is the sole serious toolkit. but that's another story.
> for me the succes of Haskell is bound to the availability of a high 
> quality binding to gtk2.

:-))

> I'm not sure haskell lovers are really aware of that. 

Some are ;)

> 
> that said the new windows installer complains ---->  "gtk2hs requires gtk+ 
> to be installed please install gtk version 2.6.x"

That's reported to Duncan - see in the archives and if you want to try
for yourself, change one line in *.iss script and it will work.

However, I'm sure Duncan is cooking another, ie. newer version :-)

Thank you for your support of gtk2hs.

Sincerely,
Gour

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hi,

 thank for your reply gour.
I'll wait quietly for the new release.

Alain.

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 10:03 +0200, Gour wrote:
> That's reported to Duncan - see in the archives and if you want to try
> for yourself, change one line in *.iss script and it will work.
> 
> However, I'm sure Duncan is cooking another, ie. newer version :-)

He is indeed. :-)

I've got an update (the script is now in CVS), however haskell.org is
down at the moment so I can't upload the .exe.

I'll upload it as soon as I can (I'll send another note when it's done).
As always feedback apreciated.

BTW, I noticed that 0.9.7.1 doesn't seem to work with the Gtk+ 2.6.7
release because of another '_utf8' function that was added (but I
thought the old dll entry points still existed! - hurumph.) So the
installer complains if you're using Gtk+ 2.6.7. The new 0.9.8 relase
will be fine with 2.6.7.

Duncan

On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 14:44 +0200, ROUGE Alain wrote:

> I'll wait quietly for the new release.

So a new experimental release is available:

http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1.exe

So people are encouraged to see if this works (and indeed try to confuse
and break it!)

As I noted before, the 0.9.7.1 build seems not to work with the Gtk+
2.6.7 release and so the installer should notice that and complain.

If you think the installer is doing something odd then a useful
debugging aid for me is if I can see the logfile. You can run the
installer in logging mode from the command line like so:

gtk2hs-0.9.7.1.exe /LOG="filename"

I'll try the multi-installer feature next (where the one installer
should work with either the Gtk+ 2.4 or 2.6 series).

Duncan

On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 10:41 +0100, Duncan Coutts wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-05-18 at 14:44 +0200, ROUGE Alain wrote:
> 
> > I'll wait quietly for the new release.
> 
> So a new experimental release is available:
> 
> http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1.exe
> 
> So people are encouraged to see if this works (and indeed try to confuse
> and break it!)
> 
> As I noted before, the 0.9.7.1 build seems not to work with the Gtk+
> 2.6.7 release and so the installer should notice that and complain.
> 
> If you think the installer is doing something odd then a useful
> debugging aid for me is if I can see the logfile. You can run the
> installer in logging mode from the command line like so:
> 
> gtk2hs-0.9.7.1.exe /LOG="filename"
> 
> I'll try the multi-installer feature next (where the one installer
> should work with either the Gtk+ 2.4 or 2.6 series).

Which is now available too:

http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1-multi.exe

I think this style should be the default. It's only 2.35Mb and even for
a version for 0.9.8 supporting GHC 6.2.2 and 6.4 it should still be less
than 5Mb.

Duncan

Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:

> 
> http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1-multi.exe
> 
> I think this style should be the default. It's only 2.35Mb and even for
> a version for 0.9.8 supporting GHC 6.2.2 and 6.4 it should still be less
> than 5Mb.

Am I missing something, but I do not recall seeing that installer needs
development instead of (just) runtime version of gtk+?

Sincerely,
Gour

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Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:

> Which is now available too:
> 
> http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1-multi.exe

With dev-version on gtk it installs.

One suggestion: maybe it's better to use eg. c:\gtk2hs or something as
default path instead of space-populated "Program Files" ?

Sincerely,
Gour

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On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 16:00 +0200, Gour wrote:
> Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:
> 
> > 
> > http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1-multi.exe
> > 
> > I think this style should be the default. It's only 2.35Mb and even for
> > a version for 0.9.8 supporting GHC 6.2.2 and 6.4 it should still be less
> > than 5Mb.
> 
> Am I missing something, but I do not recall seeing that installer needs
> development instead of (just) runtime version of gtk+?

Yes, we require the dev version of Gtk+ because ghc may make use of the
Gtk+ C header files when compiling programs that use Gtk2Hs. Also the .a
files in /lib may be used too, I'd have to check that.

The installer should detect if only the runtime version is installed and
complain in that case. I assume it's doing this correctly :-)

Duncan

Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:

> Yes, we require the dev version of Gtk+ because ghc may make use of the
> Gtk+ C header files when compiling programs that use Gtk2Hs. Also the .a
> files in /lib may be used too, I'd have to check that.

Ah...clear enough.

> The installer should detect if only the runtime version is installed and
> complain in that case. I assume it's doing this correctly :-)

Yes, it does and makes me wonder ;)

Taking into account that one needs dev version instead of runtime,
multi-installer sitze becomes a peanuts :-)

What about demos?

Sincerely,
Gour

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On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 16:39 +0200, Gour wrote:
> Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:
> 
> > Which is now available too:
> > 
> > http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1-multi.exe
> 
> With dev-version on gtk it installs.
> 
> One suggestion: maybe it's better to use eg. c:\gtk2hs or something as
> default path instead of space-populated "Program Files" ?

That's a good point. It was failing because in the call to ghc-pkg.exe I
did not put the package file name in "" quotes. I've fixed that now, so
it should work in any directory.

I've not actually uploaded a new .exe, I can't be bothered for such a
small fix. But it works ok on my machine now. :-)

Any more bugs?

We should try and get a 0.9.8 release candidate out soon and try the
installer with that.

Duncan

On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 16:39 +0200, Gour wrote:
> Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:
> 
> > Which is now available too:
> > 
> > http://haskell.org/~duncan/gtk2hs/gtk2hs-0.9.7.1-multi.exe
> 
> With dev-version on gtk it installs.

We need the header files since they are included if ghc compiles user
code via C.

> One suggestion: maybe it's better to use eg. c:\gtk2hs or something as
> default path instead of space-populated "Program Files" ?

If it works then the answer OHMO is definitely "no": It's more compliant
with Windows standards.

Axel.

On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 18:52 +0200, Gour wrote:
> Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:
> 
> > Yes, we require the dev version of Gtk+ because ghc may make use of the
> > Gtk+ C header files when compiling programs that use Gtk2Hs. Also the .a
> > files in /lib may be used too, I'd have to check that.
> 
> Ah...clear enough.

It might be possible in the future to tell GHC that we don't want the
FFI calls to be inlined across the Gtk2Hs package boundary in which case
we would not need the C headers and probably not need the Gtk+ devel
version.

> > The installer should detect if only the runtime version is installed and
> > complain in that case. I assume it's doing this correctly :-)
> 
> Yes, it does and makes me wonder ;)
> 
> Taking into account that one needs dev version instead of runtime,
> multi-installer sitze becomes a peanuts :-)

True.

> What about demos?

Sounds like a nice idea. We could include the sources for the demos
optionally with a checkbox or something. I'll look into it.

Duncan

Axel Simon (A.Simon@...) wrote:

> If it works then the answer OHMO is definitely "no": It's more compliant
> with Windows standards.

OK. I agree. One point for you, ie. 0:1

otoh, both ghc & gtk+ (dev & runtime) which we need, do not use
"Program FIles" path as default, so it means 2:1 :-)

Sincerely,
Gour

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Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:

> Sounds like a nice idea. We could include the sources for the demos
> optionally with a checkbox or something. I'll look into it.

Great.

Next two-days (during the week-end) I'm out of town, so won't be able to
contribute with any further testing before Monday.

Take rest ;)

Sincerely,
Gour

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On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 21:33 +0200, Gour wrote:
> Axel Simon (A.Simon@...) wrote:
> 
> > If it works then the answer OHMO is definitely "no": It's more compliant
> > with Windows standards.
> 
> OK. I agree. One point for you, ie. 0:1
> 
> otoh, both ghc & gtk+ (dev & runtime) which we need, do not use
> "Program FIles" path as default, so it means 2:1 :-)

But I've tested my Gtk2Hs installer with paths with spaces in them and
it works (it installs, registers and the demos compile and run).
So it means 2:2 :-)

Duncan

On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 21:53 +0200, Gour wrote:
> Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like a nice idea. We could include the sources for the demos
> > optionally with a checkbox or something. I'll look into it.
> 
> Great.
> 
> Next two-days (during the week-end) I'm out of town, so won't be able to
> contribute with any further testing before Monday.

Me too, so I won't be able to break any more gtk2hs code until after the
weekend :-)

I'm hoping we can do our first 0.9.8 release candidate early next week.

Duncan

Duncan Coutts (duncan.coutts@...) wrote:

> But I've tested my Gtk2Hs installer with paths with spaces in them and
> it works (it installs, registers and the demos compile and run).

I did not say it does not work with spaces in the path, but that
defaults of both ghc & gtk+ are not "Program Files" and therefore more
appropriate for gtk2hs.

> So it means 2:2 :-)

So it means off-side and (again) 2:1 :-)


btw, where would you put demos: in C:\Program Files\...\ or separate
them from the lib?

Such a pain to work with in cli...

Sincerely,
Gour

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