Lurker

Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
> I've made available a tarball at: http://terpstra.ca/lurker-2.0.tar.gz
> From what I can tell, it seems ready.
> However, I was hoping some other people might test it out. :-)

Jonas, if you make a Debian package, I volunteer to play the guinea pig.

> Here's the ChangeLog:
> v2.0:
>          [...]
>          Every list must now be contained in a group

Wesley, can a list be moved to another group easily, say, by just moving it=
=20
within the config file?

On Feb 25, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Julian Mehnle wrote:
> Wesley, can a list be moved to another group easily, say, by just  
> moving it
> within the config file?

No.

However, there is a command you can run after changing the group which
will fix things; this is documented in the new lurker.conf.

On 25/02/2006 Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
> I've made available a tarball at: http://terpstra.ca/lurker-2.0.tar.gz
> From what I can tell, it seems ready.
> However, I was hoping some other people might test it out. :-)
>=20
> As usual, http://terpstra.ca/lurker is already running it.

looks like great work, i've already started to package it for debian.

> The main new features are multiple frontends (which allows you
> to finally get private lists), a reply-to link, and a 'delete' button.

so far, i've two complaints:
i would like to see the 'delete' button somewhere at the top or bottom
of the message, not as centralized and conspicuous as now. i also agree
with your opinion, that a nicer reply button would be great.
maybe i'll find time to work on a proposal tormorrow.

the other problem is also about the delete function. in the config file,
the instructions to setup this feature contain:
# The recommended setup is to have a 'lurker' group owning /var/lib/lurker
# Then for the example command to work, you must set 'passwd -g lurker'.

on my system, passwd doesn't support the option '-g'. i don't know of a
tool to setup group passwords on my system.

>         Updated lurker-regenerate to work with deleted email

what does that mean? does it ignore deleted email from reimporting, or
does it import it anyway, and just marks it as deleted again?

i didn't have time to test a full archive with lurker 2.0 yet, but so
far it seems really amazing. all three new main features where on my
withlist for a long time. i hope that they will increase the
applicability of lurker in the internet ;-)

=2E..
 jonas

On 25/02/2006 Julian Mehnle wrote:
> Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
> > I've made available a tarball at: http://terpstra.ca/lurker-2.0.tar.gz
> > From what I can tell, it seems ready.
> > However, I was hoping some other people might test it out. :-)
>=20
> Jonas, if you make a Debian package, I volunteer to play the guinea pig.

yes, i've already done some packaging work, but some things still need
to be done. for example the config split (into lurker.conf and
lurker.conf.local) don't work yet.
i'll send you the link to the packages as soon as i think that they are
usefull.

thanks for you help.

=2E..
 jonas

On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:11 AM, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> On 25/02/2006 Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
>> The main new features are multiple frontends (which allows you
>> to finally get private lists), a reply-to link, and a 'delete'  
>> button.
>
> so far, i've two complaints:
> i would like to see the 'delete' button somewhere at the top or bottom
> of the message, not as centralized and conspicuous as now.

Fair enough...

However, as the reply button was already there (and looked bad alone),
I decided to put the delete button there too. Perhaps design by  
aesthetics
is not the best idea. I do think the reply button should be up top,  
though.
If you have a better page layout idea, just modify the HTML of a page
(or the xsl files) to show me what you want, and I can integrate it.

I will say add this, though: As I systematically deleted spam from  
lurker's
archive, having the button quick and readily available was very  
nice. :-)

> the other problem is also about the delete function. in the config  
> file,
> the instructions to setup this feature contain:
> # The recommended setup is to have a 'lurker' group owning /var/lib/ 
> lurker
> # Then for the example command to work, you must set 'passwd -g  
> lurker'.
>
> on my system, passwd doesn't support the option '-g'. i don't know  
> of a
> tool to setup group passwords on my system.

Eh? Debian passwd has it for sure.
It seems Mac OS X doesn't, so maybe BSD also lacks it.
Now that I poke around, I notice 'sg' is also missing on osx.

Well, you could also use 'sudo -u lurker -- lurker-search ...'.
Of course, then you'd need a lurker user.
Plus, if that user has a login shell, you've just increased the
security risk (the password for www-data is sent via a cookie).

I should probably mention that 'https' is a good idea.
OTOH, getting the lurker group password is pretty useless.

If you're running BSD, and that's why 'sg' and 'passwd -g' are
missing, could you ask a BSD guru what the equivalent is?

>>         Updated lurker-regenerate to work with deleted email
> what does that mean? does it ignore deleted email from reimporting, or
> does it import it anyway, and just marks it as deleted again?

Previously, an undocumented bug of lurker-regenerate was that it
would quietly restore deleted email to undeleted status. The new
lurker-regenerate will simply skip/not import deleted email.

On Feb 26, 2006, at 5:11 AM, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> looks like great work, i've already started to package it for debian.

Just a heads up:
- you'll need to change the cronjob options
- lurker-regenerate takes different parameters now
- note the new apache.conf is a bit different

Also, I found a couple documentation bugs in that last tarball...
and lurker-params didn't have a way to read 'delete_message'.

On 26/02/2006 Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
> Just a heads up:
> - you'll need to change the cronjob options

yes, the following should be ok, shouldn't it:?
*/15 * * * * www-data if test -f /var/lib/lurker/db; then
/usr/bin/lurker-prune; fi

> - note the new apache.conf is a bit different

yes, i use your apache.conf now instead of the one specific to debian.

> Also, I found a couple documentation bugs in that last tarball...
> and lurker-params didn't have a way to read 'delete_message'.

yes, i already saw that. but what about the other manpages? you
mentioned, that the parameters for lurker-prune changed, but i cannot
find any difference in the manpage.

...
 jonas

On Feb 26, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> On 26/02/2006 Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
>> Just a heads up:
>> - you'll need to change the cronjob options
>
> yes, the following should be ok, shouldn't it:?
> */15 * * * * www-data if test -f /var/lib/lurker/db; then
> /usr/bin/lurker-prune; fi

That would work.
Of course, it will fail if they change the dbdir.
However, I don't think you need to worry about that.

>> Also, I found a couple documentation bugs in that last tarball...
>> and lurker-params didn't have a way to read 'delete_message'.
>
> yes, i already saw that. but what about the other manpages? you
> mentioned, that the parameters for lurker-prune changed, but i cannot
> find any difference in the manpage.

Ahem.
You are, of course, correct.
Fixed and re-uploaded to http://terpstra.ca/lurker-2.0.tar.gz

On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> only the lurker-regenerate manpage could still need an update, as it
> still mentiones databases from lurker >= 0.6 as a central information.
> in my eyes this information is not really relevant any more. i've
> prepared a small patch for lurker-regenerate.sgml, maybe it's ok for
> you.

Applied with slight improvements to the wording.

On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> i simply replaced the trash button with another one, and placed it at
> the bottom of the page.

I think you mean at the top.
Unfortunately, that space is already  used by the thread next/prev.
I like the icon I stole from KDE better. :-)

>> Eh? Debian passwd has it for sure.
>
> not my debian/unstable installation:
> # passwd --help 2>&1 | grep "\-g"
> # passwd -g lurker
> passwd: invalid option -- g
> Usage: passwd [options] [login]
> #

In unstable there's 'gpasswd'.
I just checked, and it exists in stable too.
Therefore, I've changed the documentation to gpasswd.

On 27/02/2006 Wesley W. Terpstra wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2006, at 2:35 PM, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> >i simply replaced the trash button with another one, and placed it at
> >the bottom of the page.
>=20
> I think you mean at the top.
> Unfortunately, that space is already  used by the thread next/prev.
> I like the icon I stole from KDE better. :-)

ok, i think the current solution is acceptable. At least i'm not able
to provide a better one. ;-)

> In unstable there's 'gpasswd'.
> I just checked, and it exists in stable too.
> Therefore, I've changed the documentation to gpasswd.

ok, i didn't know of a password for groups yet.

=2E..
 jonas