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Use shift J to move to the top and shift K to move to the bottom, then use
your arrow keys to move through the file from there. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:34 PM
To: audacity-users@...
Subject: [Audacity-users] unable to navigate backward from end of file

Hello list,
I have a podcast series stored on my computer. The podcast creators release
one episode every week or three, with three episodes per chapter. As I have
a lot of archived chapters, I want to combine each chapter's three episodes
into one file. I am doing this by, essentially, removing the start and end
and putting the three together. Now, the problem: I can press home and then
space to play from the start of the file, but I cannot press end,
shift-comma, space to move to a point near the end of the file. This means
that when I want to try removing audio from the end of a file I have to go
to the beginning and jump through the entire thing. Is there some setting or
keystroke I'm missing? I am using Audacity 2.0.1 on a mac with Mountain
Lion. I am also using Voiceover as I cannot see the screen, so only keyboard
commands will be of use to me. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in
advance.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehgcap@...




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Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me think to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:03 PM, "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:

> Use shift J to move to the top and shift K to move to the bottom, then use
> your arrow keys to move through the file from there. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:34 PM
> To: audacity-users@...
> Subject: [Audacity-users] unable to navigate backward from end of file
> 
> Hello list,
> I have a podcast series stored on my computer. The podcast creators release
> one episode every week or three, with three episodes per chapter. As I have
> a lot of archived chapters, I want to combine each chapter's three episodes
> into one file. I am doing this by, essentially, removing the start and end
> and putting the three together. Now, the problem: I can press home and then
> space to play from the start of the file, but I cannot press end,
> shift-comma, space to move to a point near the end of the file. This means
> that when I want to try removing audio from the end of a file I have to go
> to the beginning and jump through the entire thing. Is there some setting or
> keystroke I'm missing? I am using Audacity 2.0.1 on a mac with Mountain
> Lion. I am also using Voiceover as I cannot see the screen, so only keyboard
> commands will be of use to me. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in
> advance.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehgcap@...
> 
> 
> 
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Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehgcap@...

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me think 
> to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!

In case it helps:

J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the 
cursor to the end of the track.

END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are
all the same length, it does the same as K. 

SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so
moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
playback). 

Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end 
of the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek
and long seek distances. 

All the shortcuts are listed here:
http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .




Gale 


> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:03 PM, "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:
> 
> > Use shift J to move to the top and shift K to move to the bottom, then use
> > your arrow keys to move through the file from there. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:34 PM
> > To: audacity-users@...
> > Subject: [Audacity-users] unable to navigate backward from end of file
> > 
> > Hello list,
> > I have a podcast series stored on my computer. The podcast creators release
> > one episode every week or three, with three episodes per chapter. As I have
> > a lot of archived chapters, I want to combine each chapter's three episodes
> > into one file. I am doing this by, essentially, removing the start and end
> > and putting the three together. Now, the problem: I can press home and then
> > space to play from the start of the file, but I cannot press end,
> > shift-comma, space to move to a point near the end of the file. This means
> > that when I want to try removing audio from the end of a file I have to go
> > to the beginning and jump through the entire thing. Is there some setting or
> > keystroke I'm missing? I am using Audacity 2.0.1 on a mac with Mountain
> > Lion. I am also using Voiceover as I cannot see the screen, so only keyboard
> > commands will be of use to me. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in
> > advance.
> > 
> > 
> > Have a great day,
> > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> > mehgcap@...

Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me think 
>> to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
> 
> In case it helps:
> 
> J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the 
> cursor to the end of the track.
> 
> END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are
> all the same length, it does the same as K. 
> 
> SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so
> moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
> cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
> playback). 
> 
> Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end 
> of the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek
> and long seek distances. 
> 
> All the shortcuts are listed here:
> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gale 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:03 PM, "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> Use shift J to move to the top and shift K to move to the bottom, then use
>>> your arrow keys to move through the file from there. 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
>>> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 12:34 PM
>>> To: audacity-users@...
>>> Subject: [Audacity-users] unable to navigate backward from end of file
>>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>> I have a podcast series stored on my computer. The podcast creators release
>>> one episode every week or three, with three episodes per chapter. As I have
>>> a lot of archived chapters, I want to combine each chapter's three episodes
>>> into one file. I am doing this by, essentially, removing the start and end
>>> and putting the three together. Now, the problem: I can press home and then
>>> space to play from the start of the file, but I cannot press end,
>>> shift-comma, space to move to a point near the end of the file. This means
>>> that when I want to try removing audio from the end of a file I have to go
>>> to the beginning and jump through the entire thing. Is there some setting or
>>> keystroke I'm missing? I am using Audacity 2.0.1 on a mac with Mountain
>>> Lion. I am also using Voiceover as I cannot see the screen, so only keyboard
>>> commands will be of use to me. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks in
>>> advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehgcap@...
> 
> 
> 
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Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehgcap@...

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.

Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the 
focus between tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of 
the track that has focus. 

Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether
it is selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it. 

Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen 
whether it is selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it. 

Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen 
whether it is selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it. 

Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection
correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim. 
This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  

Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then 
move to the end of the first track. Edit > Paste. 

ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove 
Tracks to remove Track 2.

ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you 
pasted into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end 
or start of the track, then get the selection correct. Z, then 
Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. I think you can work out now how 
to paste on to the end of the first track? 
 
  


Gale 



> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
> > Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> >> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me think 
> >> to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
> > 
> > In case it helps:
> > 
> > J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the 
> > cursor to the end of the track.
> > 
> > END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are
> > all the same length, it does the same as K. 
> > 
> > SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so
> > moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
> > cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
> > playback). 
> > 
> > Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end 
> > of the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek
> > and long seek distances. 
> > 
> > All the shortcuts are listed here:
> > http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gale

I'll try what you said. The selection is what gets me, though. Do I select the track I'm copying from, the track I'm pasting into, both, the one I'm working with, or what? That is, do I select track 2 when I'm copying, then de-select it and select track 1 when pasting, or do I leave track 1 selected the whole time? Also, what is the find zero crossings function for? I've seen it, but never really understood its purpose and, as it is usually described in terms of the audio visualization, I never played around with it.
On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM, gale@... wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
> 
> Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the 
> focus between tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of 
> the track that has focus. 
> 
> Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether
> it is selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it. 
> 
> Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen 
> whether it is selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it. 
> 
> Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen 
> whether it is selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it. 
> 
> Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection
> correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim. 
> This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  
> 
> Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
> Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
> ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then 
> move to the end of the first track. Edit > Paste. 
> 
> ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove 
> Tracks to remove Track 2.
> 
> ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you 
> pasted into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end 
> or start of the track, then get the selection correct. Z, then 
> Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. I think you can work out now how 
> to paste on to the end of the first track? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gale 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
>>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>>>> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me think 
>>>> to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
>>> 
>>> In case it helps:
>>> 
>>> J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the 
>>> cursor to the end of the track.
>>> 
>>> END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are
>>> all the same length, it does the same as K. 
>>> 
>>> SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so
>>> moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
>>> cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
>>> playback). 
>>> 
>>> Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end 
>>> of the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek
>>> and long seek distances. 
>>> 
>>> All the shortcuts are listed here:
>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gale 
> 
> 
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Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehgcap@...

Yes Alex you are right. Make sure no tracks are selected, then press enter
on track 1 to select it, cut out the audio you want, press enter to deselect
track 1, then press enter to select track 2, navigate to where you want to
paste in, paste, then repeat with 3, then edit. As for the zero crossings, I
don't know, I never used it when I had a similar project. If you want to
talk this out, sign into Skype, I should be on for a couple hours tonight. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:35 AM
To: audacity-users@...
Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] joining tracks (was unable to navigate
backward from end of file)

I'll try what you said. The selection is what gets me, though. Do I select
the track I'm copying from, the track I'm pasting into, both, the one I'm
working with, or what? That is, do I select track 2 when I'm copying, then
de-select it and select track 1 when pasting, or do I leave track 1 selected
the whole time? Also, what is the find zero crossings function for? I've
seen it, but never really understood its purpose and, as it is usually
described in terms of the audio visualization, I never played around with
it.
On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM, gale@... wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having
trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into
one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried
selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something
wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this
before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past
emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it
to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
> 
> Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the focus between 
> tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of the track that has focus.
> 
> Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether it is 
> selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it.
> 
> Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen whether it is 
> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> 
> Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen whether it is 
> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> 
> Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection 
> correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim.
> This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  
> 
> Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
> Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
> ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then move to 
> the end of the first track. Edit > Paste.
> 
> ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove Tracks to 
> remove Track 2.
> 
> ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you pasted 
> into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end or start of the 
> track, then get the selection correct. Z, then Edit > Remove Audio > 
> Cut. I think you can work out now how to paste on to the end of the 
> first track?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gale
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
>>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>>>> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me 
>>>> think to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
>>> 
>>> In case it helps:
>>> 
>>> J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the cursor 
>>> to the end of the track.
>>> 
>>> END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are 
>>> all the same length, it does the same as K.
>>> 
>>> SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so 
>>> moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
>>> cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
>>> playback).
>>> 
>>> Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end of 
>>> the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek and 
>>> long seek distances.
>>> 
>>> All the shortcuts are listed here:
>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gale
> 
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Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehgcap@...




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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:52:03 -0800
"bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:
> Yes Alex you are right. Make sure no tracks are selected, then press enter
> on track 1 to select it, cut out the audio you want, press enter to deselect
> track 1, then press enter to select track 2, navigate to where you want to
> paste in, paste, then repeat with 3, then edit. As for the zero crossings, I
> don't know, I never used it when I had a similar project. If you want to
> talk this out, sign into Skype, I should be on for a couple hours tonight. 
 
My instructions assumed you wanted to paste all the audio onto
the end of the first track. If you want to paste on to other tracks, 
the principle is the same but the exact instructions are different. 

Find Zero Crossings moves the cursor or edges of the selection 
to a point where the audio is at silence (the zero horizontal line   
in the waveform). It helps to avoid clicks. If you cut a selection  
without Find Zero then paste it at the end of a selection that
was not trimmed so its edges were at zero, this increases the 
risk of clicks, because there may be an abrupt change in level 
where you paste. 

Find Zero does not always work on stereo tracks but you can
always cross-fade joins to prevent clicks. Steve has started a 
page here about fades and cross fades:
http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/User:Stevethefiddle/Fade_and_Cross_Fade#Creating_a_Crossfade .

Thanks, Bob. 



Gale 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:35 AM
> To: audacity-users@...
> Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] joining tracks (was unable to navigate
> backward from end of file)
> 
> I'll try what you said. The selection is what gets me, though. Do I select
> the track I'm copying from, the track I'm pasting into, both, the one I'm
> working with, or what? That is, do I select track 2 when I'm copying, then
> de-select it and select track 1 when pasting, or do I leave track 1 selected
> the whole time? Also, what is the find zero crossings function for? I've
> seen it, but never really understood its purpose and, as it is usually
> described in terms of the audio visualization, I never played around with
> it.
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM, gale@... wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
> > Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> >> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having
> trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into
> one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried
> selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something
> wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this
> before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past
> emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it
> to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
> > 
> > Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the focus between 
> > tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of the track that has focus.
> > 
> > Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether it is 
> > selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it.
> > 
> > Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen whether it is 
> > selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> > 
> > Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen whether it is 
> > selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> > 
> > Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection 
> > correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim.
> > This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  
> > 
> > Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
> > Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
> > ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then move to 
> > the end of the first track. Edit > Paste.
> > 
> > ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove Tracks to 
> > remove Track 2.
> > 
> > ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you pasted 
> > into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end or start of the 
> > track, then get the selection correct. Z, then Edit > Remove Audio > 
> > Cut. I think you can work out now how to paste on to the end of the 
> > first track?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gale
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
> >>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> >>>> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me 
> >>>> think to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
> >>> 
> >>> In case it helps:
> >>> 
> >>> J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the cursor 
> >>> to the end of the track.
> >>> 
> >>> END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are 
> >>> all the same length, it does the same as K.
> >>> 
> >>> SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so 
> >>> moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
> >>> cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
> >>> playback).
> >>> 
> >>> Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end of 
> >>> the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek and 
> >>> long seek distances.
> >>> 
> >>> All the shortcuts are listed here:
> >>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gale

Thanks. Yes, I did want to paste everything from 2 and 3 at the end of 1, but Bob still explained the key I think I was missing. Namely, when selecting audio you must have the track selected, and when pasting you must deselect and then select the track into which the audio is to be pasted. Frustratingly, selection seems random sometimes, appearing on all tracks or sometimes on track3 when I didn't want it to. This coupled with Audacity being incredibly slow lately have made me reluctant to keep trying, but I guess I'll give it another shot now that I (hopefully) understand the process.
On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:52 PM, "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:

> Yes Alex you are right. Make sure no tracks are selected, then press enter
> on track 1 to select it, cut out the audio you want, press enter to deselect
> track 1, then press enter to select track 2, navigate to where you want to
> paste in, paste, then repeat with 3, then edit. As for the zero crossings, I
> don't know, I never used it when I had a similar project. If you want to
> talk this out, sign into Skype, I should be on for a couple hours tonight. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:35 AM
> To: audacity-users@...
> Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] joining tracks (was unable to navigate
> backward from end of file)
> 
> I'll try what you said. The selection is what gets me, though. Do I select
> the track I'm copying from, the track I'm pasting into, both, the one I'm
> working with, or what? That is, do I select track 2 when I'm copying, then
> de-select it and select track 1 when pasting, or do I leave track 1 selected
> the whole time? Also, what is the find zero crossings function for? I've
> seen it, but never really understood its purpose and, as it is usually
> described in terms of the audio visualization, I never played around with
> it.
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM, gale@... wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>>> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having
> trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into
> one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried
> selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something
> wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this
> before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past
> emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it
> to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
>> 
>> Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the focus between 
>> tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of the track that has focus.
>> 
>> Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether it is 
>> selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it.
>> 
>> Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen whether it is 
>> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
>> 
>> Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen whether it is 
>> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
>> 
>> Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection 
>> correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim.
>> This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  
>> 
>> Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
>> Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
>> ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then move to 
>> the end of the first track. Edit > Paste.
>> 
>> ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove Tracks to 
>> remove Track 2.
>> 
>> ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you pasted 
>> into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end or start of the 
>> track, then get the selection correct. Z, then Edit > Remove Audio > 
>> Cut. I think you can work out now how to paste on to the end of the 
>> first track?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gale
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
>>>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>>>>> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me 
>>>>> think to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> In case it helps:
>>>> 
>>>> J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the cursor 
>>>> to the end of the track.
>>>> 
>>>> END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are 
>>>> all the same length, it does the same as K.
>>>> 
>>>> SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so 
>>>> moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
>>>> cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
>>>> playback).
>>>> 
>>>> Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end of 
>>>> the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek and 
>>>> long seek distances.
>>>> 
>>>> All the shortcuts are listed here:
>>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Gale
>> 
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Have a great day,
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mehgcap@...

Gale, thanks for the zero corssings explanation. Unfortunately, I'm having to cut things at logical points in music since the authors never intended these chapters to slip together, but rather be listened to as single files. I will certainly keep this in mind, though, and it's good to know exactly what it is for as it will come in handy in other projects I do.
On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:12 PM, gale@... wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:52:03 -0800
> "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:
>> Yes Alex you are right. Make sure no tracks are selected, then press enter
>> on track 1 to select it, cut out the audio you want, press enter to deselect
>> track 1, then press enter to select track 2, navigate to where you want to
>> paste in, paste, then repeat with 3, then edit. As for the zero crossings, I
>> don't know, I never used it when I had a similar project. If you want to
>> talk this out, sign into Skype, I should be on for a couple hours tonight. 
> 
> My instructions assumed you wanted to paste all the audio onto
> the end of the first track. If you want to paste on to other tracks, 
> the principle is the same but the exact instructions are different. 
> 
> Find Zero Crossings moves the cursor or edges of the selection 
> to a point where the audio is at silence (the zero horizontal line   
> in the waveform). It helps to avoid clicks. If you cut a selection  
> without Find Zero then paste it at the end of a selection that
> was not trimmed so its edges were at zero, this increases the 
> risk of clicks, because there may be an abrupt change in level 
> where you paste. 
> 
> Find Zero does not always work on stereo tracks but you can
> always cross-fade joins to prevent clicks. Steve has started a 
> page here about fades and cross fades:
> http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/User:Stevethefiddle/Fade_and_Cross_Fade#Creating_a_Crossfade .
> 
> Thanks, Bob. 
> 
> 
> 
> Gale 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:35 AM
>> To: audacity-users@...
>> Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] joining tracks (was unable to navigate
>> backward from end of file)
>> 
>> I'll try what you said. The selection is what gets me, though. Do I select
>> the track I'm copying from, the track I'm pasting into, both, the one I'm
>> working with, or what? That is, do I select track 2 when I'm copying, then
>> de-select it and select track 1 when pasting, or do I leave track 1 selected
>> the whole time? Also, what is the find zero crossings function for? I've
>> seen it, but never really understood its purpose and, as it is usually
>> described in terms of the audio visualization, I never played around with
>> it.
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM, gale@... wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
>>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>>>> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having
>> trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into
>> one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried
>> selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something
>> wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this
>> before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past
>> emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it
>> to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the focus between 
>>> tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of the track that has focus.
>>> 
>>> Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether it is 
>>> selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it.
>>> 
>>> Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen whether it is 
>>> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
>>> 
>>> Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen whether it is 
>>> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
>>> 
>>> Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection 
>>> correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim.
>>> This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  
>>> 
>>> Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
>>> Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
>>> ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then move to 
>>> the end of the first track. Edit > Paste.
>>> 
>>> ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove Tracks to 
>>> remove Track 2.
>>> 
>>> ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you pasted 
>>> into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end or start of the 
>>> track, then get the selection correct. Z, then Edit > Remove Audio > 
>>> Cut. I think you can work out now how to paste on to the end of the 
>>> first track?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gale
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
>>>>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
>>>>>> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me 
>>>>>> think to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> In case it helps:
>>>>> 
>>>>> J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the cursor 
>>>>> to the end of the track.
>>>>> 
>>>>> END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are 
>>>>> all the same length, it does the same as K.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so 
>>>>> moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
>>>>> cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
>>>>> playback).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end of 
>>>>> the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek and 
>>>>> long seek distances.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the shortcuts are listed here:
>>>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gale
> 
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:29:54 -0500
Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> Gale, thanks for the zero corssings explanation. Unfortunately, I'm having to cut things at logical points in music since the authors never intended these chapters to slip together, but rather be listened to as single files. I will certainly keep this in mind, though, and it's good to know exactly what it is for as it will come in handy in other projects I do.

Hi Alex,

The Zero Crossings adjustment is only allowed to move by a 
small amount, as I understand it, up to a maximum of 10 
milliseconds (a hundredth of a second). 

So the adjustment would not be audible as a move in the 
location of the cut, but it would greatly reduce the chance of 
a click at the "join".



Gale  


> On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:12 PM, gale@... wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:52:03 -0800
> > "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:
> >> Yes Alex you are right. Make sure no tracks are selected, then press enter
> >> on track 1 to select it, cut out the audio you want, press enter to deselect
> >> track 1, then press enter to select track 2, navigate to where you want to
> >> paste in, paste, then repeat with 3, then edit. As for the zero crossings, I
> >> don't know, I never used it when I had a similar project. If you want to
> >> talk this out, sign into Skype, I should be on for a couple hours tonight. 
> > 
> > My instructions assumed you wanted to paste all the audio onto
> > the end of the first track. If you want to paste on to other tracks, 
> > the principle is the same but the exact instructions are different. 
> > 
> > Find Zero Crossings moves the cursor or edges of the selection 
> > to a point where the audio is at silence (the zero horizontal line   
> > in the waveform). It helps to avoid clicks. If you cut a selection  
> > without Find Zero then paste it at the end of a selection that
> > was not trimmed so its edges were at zero, this increases the 
> > risk of clicks, because there may be an abrupt change in level 
> > where you paste. 
> > 
> > Find Zero does not always work on stereo tracks but you can
> > always cross-fade joins to prevent clicks. Steve has started a 
> > page here about fades and cross fades:
> > http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/User:Stevethefiddle/Fade_and_Cross_Fade#Creating_a_Crossfade .
> > 
> > Thanks, Bob. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gale 
> > 
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:35 AM
> >> To: audacity-users@...
> >> Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] joining tracks (was unable to navigate
> >> backward from end of file)
> >> 
> >> I'll try what you said. The selection is what gets me, though. Do I select
> >> the track I'm copying from, the track I'm pasting into, both, the one I'm
> >> working with, or what? That is, do I select track 2 when I'm copying, then
> >> de-select it and select track 1 when pasting, or do I leave track 1 selected
> >> the whole time? Also, what is the find zero crossings function for? I've
> >> seen it, but never really understood its purpose and, as it is usually
> >> described in terms of the audio visualization, I never played around with
> >> it.
> >> On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM, gale@... wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
> >>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> >>>> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having
> >> trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into
> >> one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried
> >> selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something
> >> wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this
> >> before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past
> >> emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it
> >> to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
> >>> 
> >>> Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the focus between 
> >>> tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of the track that has focus.
> >>> 
> >>> Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether it is 
> >>> selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it.
> >>> 
> >>> Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen whether it is 
> >>> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> >>> 
> >>> Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen whether it is 
> >>> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> >>> 
> >>> Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection 
> >>> correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim.
> >>> This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  
> >>> 
> >>> Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
> >>> Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
> >>> ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then move to 
> >>> the end of the first track. Edit > Paste.
> >>> 
> >>> ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove Tracks to 
> >>> remove Track 2.
> >>> 
> >>> ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you pasted 
> >>> into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end or start of the 
> >>> track, then get the selection correct. Z, then Edit > Remove Audio > 
> >>> Cut. I think you can work out now how to paste on to the end of the 
> >>> first track?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gale
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:55 PM, gale@... wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:27 -0500
> >>>>> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> >>>>>> Shift selects, it didn't move for me. However, your message made me 
> >>>>>> think to try just j and k, and those worked perfectly. Thanks!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> In case it helps:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> J moves the cursor to the start of the track and K moves the cursor 
> >>>>> to the end of the track.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> END moves the cursor to the end of the project. If the tracks are 
> >>>>> all the same length, it does the same as K.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> SHIFT + J selects from the cursor to the start of the track (so 
> >>>>> moves the start of playback to there). SHIFT + K selects from the 
> >>>>> cursor to the end of the track (so doesn't move the start of 
> >>>>> playback).
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Comma (,) may be good for a short seek (jump) back from the end of 
> >>>>> the track. Go to the Playback Preferences to set the short seek and 
> >>>>> long seek distances.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> All the shortcuts are listed here:
> >>>>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/keyboard_shortcut_reference.html  .
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Gale

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:25:08 -0500
Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> Thanks. Yes, I did want to paste everything from 2 and 3 at the end of 1, but Bob still explained the key I think I was missing. Namely, when selecting audio you must have the track selected, and when pasting you must deselect and then select the track into which the audio is to be pasted. 

Yes, otherwise you will paste into the track you are cutting from.  

The instructions I wrote out (they are still there further down 
this message) should tell you exactly what keys to press to 
ensure you are only selecting the correct track. 

 

Gale 


> On Nov 14, 2012, at 6:52 PM, "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@...> wrote:
> 
> > Yes Alex you are right. Make sure no tracks are selected, then press enter
> > on track 1 to select it, cut out the audio you want, press enter to deselect
> > track 1, then press enter to select track 2, navigate to where you want to
> > paste in, paste, then repeat with 3, then edit. As for the zero crossings, I
> > don't know, I never used it when I had a similar project. If you want to
> > talk this out, sign into Skype, I should be on for a couple hours tonight. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alex Hall [mailto:mehgcap@...] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:35 AM
> > To: audacity-users@...
> > Subject: Re: [Audacity-users] joining tracks (was unable to navigate
> > backward from end of file)
> > 
> > I'll try what you said. The selection is what gets me, though. Do I select
> > the track I'm copying from, the track I'm pasting into, both, the one I'm
> > working with, or what? That is, do I select track 2 when I'm copying, then
> > de-select it and select track 1 when pasting, or do I leave track 1 selected
> > the whole time? Also, what is the find zero crossings function for? I've
> > seen it, but never really understood its purpose and, as it is usually
> > described in terms of the audio visualization, I never played around with
> > it.
> > On Nov 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM, gale@... wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:22:44 -0500
> >> Alex Hall <mehgcap@...> wrote:
> >>> Okay, now I'm able to navigate my three episode tracks, I'm having
> > trouble combining them. Once I cut them right, I need only make them into
> > one long track, one after the other with no separation at all. I tried
> > selecting all and pasting, but I have a feeling that I'm doing something
> > wrong with selecting (pressing enter on tracks). I feel like I've asked this
> > before, so I apologize if this is a repeat question, but I found no past
> > emails on this topic. I have done this before, I just can't seem to get it
> > to work now. Again, thanks for all the help.
> >> 
> >> Perhaps you need to remember UP and DOWN to move the focus between 
> >> tracks, and ENTER to toggle selectedness of the track that has focus.
> >> 
> >> Use UP arrow to move to the first track. Listen whether it is 
> >> selected. If it is not selected, ENTER to select it.
> >> 
> >> Use DOWN arrow to move to the second track. Listen whether it is 
> >> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> >> 
> >> Use DOWN arrow to move to the third track. Listen whether it is 
> >> selected. If it is selected, ENTER to deselect it.
> >> 
> >> Press UP twice to return to the first track. Get your selection 
> >> correct. Z to Find Zero Crossings. Edit > Remove Audio > Trim.
> >> This removes all audio from that track, except the selection.  
> >> 
> >> Press DOWN arrow and confirm you are on the second track.
> >> Get your selection correct, then Z. Edit > Remove Audio > Cut. 
> >> ENTER to deselect track 2, UP, ENTER then K to select, then move to 
> >> the end of the first track. Edit > Paste.
> >> 
> >> ENTER, DOWN, ENTER to select only track 2. Tracks > Remove Tracks to 
> >> remove Track 2.
> >> 
> >> ENTER to select track 3. The selection will still be where you pasted 
> >> into the first track, so use K or J to move to the end or start of the 
> >> track, then get the selection correct. Z, then Edit > Remove Audio > 
> >> Cut. I think you can work out now how to paste on to the end of the 
> >> first track?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gale