Inkscape

Hi Dennis. I'm a beginner that still only has drawn the Swedish flag  
of the –wonderful– manual, so be indulgent with me...

Look at Inkscape Preferences (shift+ctrl+p) > Filters to see what  
display qualities are checked. They influence the processing speed.

hth

On 30 Aug 2012, at 16:10, Dennis Melling wrote:

> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape  
> for
> the day because the speed is so slow

--
Eneko Gotzon Ares

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Dennis Melling
<dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:
> I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape for
> the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement to
> appear on the screen.
> Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
> If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
> I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a similar
> open source program that will work on Windows 7??

By effects do you mean Filters?

Cheers,
Josh

Hi,

This URL may yield some results for you:
http://alternativeto.net/software/inkscape/?platform=windows

Perhaps another option, though, would be to try out a nightly build of inkscape for windows?

I've also found that after I group complicated objects together, inkscape speeds up quite a bit - maybe it's a workaround for you as well?

-Chris

On 2012-08-30, at 7:10 AM, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:

> I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape for
> the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement to
> appear on the screen.
> Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
> If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
> I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a similar
> open source program that will work on Windows 7??
> 
> Dennis
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Hi

Thank you for your offer of help. I have just finished a very intricate
drawing of a sorceress and noticed that I had mixed a layer and the mouth
and nose needed to be rescaled. I have been trying to do these simple edits
for 3 days!
I tried your suggestion and moved both filters from normal to lower quality
and did notice a slight increase in speed, however, the image was
completely blurred out :(

Thank you
Dennis

On 30 August 2012 22:17, Eneko Gotzon Ares <enekogotzon@...> wrote:

> Hi Dennis. I'm a beginner that still only has drawn the Swedish flag
> of the –wonderful– manual, so be indulgent with me...
>
> Look at Inkscape Preferences (shift+ctrl+p) > Filters to see what
> display qualities are checked. They influence the processing speed.
>
> hth
>
> On 30 Aug 2012, at 16:10, Dennis Melling wrote:
>
> > If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape
> > for
> > the day because the speed is so slow
>
> --
> Eneko Gotzon Ares
>
>
>
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Hi

Yes the filters. I mainly use blur and combined lighting but both of them
make it impossible for me to continue to use Inkscape.

Dennis

On 30 August 2012 22:18, Josh Andler <scislac@...> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Dennis Melling
> <dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:
> > I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
> > If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape for
> > the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement to
> > appear on the screen.
> > Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
> > If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
> > I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a similar
> > open source program that will work on Windows 7??
>
> By effects do you mean Filters?
>
> Cheers,
> Josh
>
>
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Thank you Chris

I will check out the url.

I have just completed a very complex image and have tried grouping several
areas and applying filters to small areas as I go but, as soon as I apply a
filter, Inkscape just grinds to a halt (alternating between open and not
responding every second).

I have used Gimp for several years and with my 8GB RAM I just fly through
an image but Inkscape is a terrible disappointment :(

Dennis

On 30 August 2012 22:22, Chris Tooley <euxneks@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This URL may yield some results for you:
> http://alternativeto.net/software/inkscape/?platform=windows
>
> Perhaps another option, though, would be to try out a nightly build of
> inkscape for windows?
>
> I've also found that after I group complicated objects together, inkscape
> speeds up quite a bit - maybe it's a workaround for you as well?
>
> -Chris
>
> On 2012-08-30, at 7:10 AM, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...>
> wrote:
>
> I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape for
> the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement to
> appear on the screen.
> Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
> If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
> I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a similar
> open source program that will work on Windows 7??
>
> Dennis
>
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> threats.
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
>
>
>
>
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On 08/31/2012 10:05 AM, Dennis Melling wrote:
>
> I will check out the url.
>
> I have just completed a very complex image and have tried grouping
> several areas and applying filters to small areas as I go but, as soon
> as I apply a filter, Inkscape just grinds to a halt (alternating between
> open and not responding every second).
>
> I have used Gimp for several years and with my 8GB RAM I just fly
> through an image but Inkscape is a terrible disappointment :(

These (GIMP and Inkscape) are different apps and work fundamentally in 
different ways, in one case everything is rasterized and in the other 
you keep track (and compute) every node and transformation.

It is known that adding a lot of filters will greatly slow-down Inkscape 
(not only on Windows). It was suggested earlier to lower the quality, 
that's a workaround, you are supposed to turn them up again then the 
graphics are done for the final result.

Other workarounds include toggling various display modes (no filters, 
outline) during the editing process and go back to normal when done.

Another way is to keep various elements in their own layers and toggle 
the visibility of those layers on and off, you make them visible only 
when you need them: an invisible layer does not need to be redrawn and 
will not speed down the application.

Unfortunately, there is no Free software alternative to Inkscape (there 
are some other FOSS vector editors, but feature-wise they are inferior), 
so you will have to rely on workarounds.

-- 
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com

Hi

That is great information, I will look into these work arounds but I am
still very disappointed with Inkscape.
After reading lots of positives about the program I thought that it would
be very good.
When I reach my final image with the filter effects applied I can no longer
edit anything and converting to a bitmap image is like crashing your head
into a brick wall:(

Dennis

On 31 August 2012 11:58, Nicu Buculei <nicu_gfx@...> wrote:

> On 08/31/2012 10:05 AM, Dennis Melling wrote:
> >
> > I will check out the url.
> >
> > I have just completed a very complex image and have tried grouping
> > several areas and applying filters to small areas as I go but, as soon
> > as I apply a filter, Inkscape just grinds to a halt (alternating between
> > open and not responding every second).
> >
> > I have used Gimp for several years and with my 8GB RAM I just fly
> > through an image but Inkscape is a terrible disappointment :(
>
> These (GIMP and Inkscape) are different apps and work fundamentally in
> different ways, in one case everything is rasterized and in the other
> you keep track (and compute) every node and transformation.
>
> It is known that adding a lot of filters will greatly slow-down Inkscape
> (not only on Windows). It was suggested earlier to lower the quality,
> that's a workaround, you are supposed to turn them up again then the
> graphics are done for the final result.
>
> Other workarounds include toggling various display modes (no filters,
> outline) during the editing process and go back to normal when done.
>
> Another way is to keep various elements in their own layers and toggle
> the visibility of those layers on and off, you make them visible only
> when you need them: an invisible layer does not need to be redrawn and
> will not speed down the application.
>
> Unfortunately, there is no Free software alternative to Inkscape (there
> are some other FOSS vector editors, but feature-wise they are inferior),
> so you will have to rely on workarounds.
>
> --
> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
>
>
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On 31-08-12 12:01, Dennis Melling wrote:
> Hi
> 
> That is great information, I will look into these work arounds but I am
> still very disappointed with Inkscape.
> After reading lots of positives about the program I thought that it
> would be very good.
> When I reach my final image with the filter effects applied I can no
> longer edit anything and converting to a bitmap image is like crashing
> your head into a brick wall:(

Sad to hear you're having so much trouble. Have you tried the current
development version (0.49)? It has a different renderer and can be quite
a bit faster in certain cases (among other things, the cache has been
improved). There are "nightly" builds available from the site (although
the link seems to be down at the moment, if you have trouble accessing
it, feel free to ask on the list for a build and I or someone else with
Windows will provide it).

If you still have problems with the development version, I'd love to see
an example of a really bad performing image, to see where the problem lies.

Just read:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/733966

Very interesting

Dennis

On 31 August 2012 15:33, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:

> I am using 0.48 but will check out 0.49, when possible.
>
> I have attached the image that I am currently having problems with. I
> completed the image and then realised that I had misplaced a layer and the
> nose and mouth needed extra work. That is when the trouble started!
>
> The image is so badly corrupted because I down graded the filters and now
> can no longer return to the original settings............
>
> I have found that I can avoid the Inkscape 'export to bitmap' by saving a
> copy to Gimp and then exporting from there. This is lightning fast :)
>
> I checked the 0.49x download site and it says that there aren't any
> download files available?
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 31 August 2012 14:01, Jasper van de Gronde <th.v.d.gronde@...:
>
>> On 31-08-12 12:01, Dennis Melling wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > That is great information, I will look into these work arounds but I am
>> > still very disappointed with Inkscape.
>> > After reading lots of positives about the program I thought that it
>> > would be very good.
>> > When I reach my final image with the filter effects applied I can no
>> > longer edit anything and converting to a bitmap image is like crashing
>> > your head into a brick wall:(
>>
>> Sad to hear you're having so much trouble. Have you tried the current
>> development version (0.49)? It has a different renderer and can be quite
>> a bit faster in certain cases (among other things, the cache has been
>> improved). There are "nightly" builds available from the site (although
>> the link seems to be down at the moment, if you have trouble accessing
>> it, feel free to ask on the list for a build and I or someone else with
>> Windows will provide it).
>>
>> If you still have problems with the development version, I'd love to see
>> an example of a really bad performing image, to see where the problem
>> lies.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
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>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
>>
>
>

It depends of course on the complexity of your drawings.
What about replacing Windows 7 with Linux?  I  use Inkscape and Linux  
and they work very well together. I  have had no trouble using  
Netscape and filters. Netscape is a wonderful program. I switched it  
after using Adobe illustrator.

Graheme


On 30 Aug 2012, at 15:10, Dennis Melling wrote:

> I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape  
> for
> the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement  
> to
> appear on the screen.
> Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
> If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
> I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a  
> similar
> open source program that will work on Windows 7??
>
> Dennis
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond.  
> Discussions
> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in  
> malware
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dennis Melling
<dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:
> Thank you Chris
>
> I will check out the url.
>
> I have just completed a very complex image and have tried grouping several
> areas and applying filters to small areas as I go but, as soon as I apply a
> filter, Inkscape just grinds to a halt (alternating between open and not
> responding every second).
>
> I have used Gimp for several years and with my 8GB RAM I just fly through an
> image but Inkscape is a terrible disappointment :(
>
> Dennis

Really sad commentary that you blame Inkscape. The general experience
with Inkscape here and elsewhere is that it is outstanding. You might
want to look at the Windows ecosystem for why you are having problems.

As far as a recommendation...Adobe Illustrator. It is the premier svg
editor for the Windows environment. Absolutely the best thing for you
given your context.

Carl

>
> On 30 August 2012 22:22, Chris Tooley <euxneks@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This URL may yield some results for you:
>> http://alternativeto.net/software/inkscape/?platform=windows
>>
>> Perhaps another option, though, would be to try out a nightly build of
>> inkscape for windows?
>>
>> I've also found that after I group complicated objects together, inkscape
>> speeds up quite a bit - maybe it's a workaround for you as well?
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>> On 2012-08-30, at 7:10 AM, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
>> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape for
>> the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement to
>> appear on the screen.
>> Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
>> If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
>> I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a similar
>> open source program that will work on Windows 7??
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
>> threats.
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>> Inkscape-user@...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Quick Silver
<quicksilvercarrier@...> wrote:
> Netscape is a wonderful program.

Consider upgrading to Firefox. It has native SVG support. ;-)

I have just installed Xubuntu upon recommendation but now I have the
problem of how do I get my WiFi to work.......

Dennis

On 31 August 2012 16:35, Quick Silver <quicksilvercarrier@...:

> It depends of course on the complexity of your drawings.
> What about replacing Windows 7 with Linux?  I  use Inkscape and Linux and
> they work very well together. I  have had no trouble using Netscape and
> filters. Netscape is a wonderful program. I switched it after using Adobe
> illustrator.
>
> Graheme
>
>
> On 30 Aug 2012, at 15:10, Dennis Melling wrote:
>
> I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape for
> the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement to
> appear on the screen.
> Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
> If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
> I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a similar
> open source program that will work on Windows 7??
>
> Dennis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
> threats.
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
>
>
>
>
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>

I have never had such problems before on any program that I have used on
the internet ???

Dennis

On 31 August 2012 16:48, Carl Symons <carlsymons@...> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Dennis Melling
> <dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:
> > Thank you Chris
> >
> > I will check out the url.
> >
> > I have just completed a very complex image and have tried grouping
> several
> > areas and applying filters to small areas as I go but, as soon as I
> apply a
> > filter, Inkscape just grinds to a halt (alternating between open and not
> > responding every second).
> >
> > I have used Gimp for several years and with my 8GB RAM I just fly
> through an
> > image but Inkscape is a terrible disappointment :(
> >
> > Dennis
>
> Really sad commentary that you blame Inkscape. The general experience
> with Inkscape here and elsewhere is that it is outstanding. You might
> want to look at the Windows ecosystem for why you are having problems.
>
> As far as a recommendation...Adobe Illustrator. It is the premier svg
> editor for the Windows environment. Absolutely the best thing for you
> given your context.
>
> Carl
>
> >
> > On 30 August 2012 22:22, Chris Tooley <euxneks@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> This URL may yield some results for you:
> >> http://alternativeto.net/software/inkscape/?platform=windows
> >>
> >> Perhaps another option, though, would be to try out a nightly build of
> >> inkscape for windows?
> >>
> >> I've also found that after I group complicated objects together,
> inkscape
> >> speeds up quite a bit - maybe it's a workaround for you as well?
> >>
> >> -Chris
> >>
> >> On 2012-08-30, at 7:10 AM, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a recent laptop with Windows 7, 64 bit and 8GB of RAM.
> >> If I use any kind of effects on inkscape I can forget using inkscape for
> >> the day because the speed is so slow it takes a day for any movement to
> >> appear on the screen.
> >> Again trying to export to bitmap is impossible.
> >> If I don't use any effects then the speed is reasonable.
> >> I like what Inkscape is intended to do but does anyone know of a similar
> >> open source program that will work on Windows 7??
> >>
> >> Dennis
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
> >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond.
> Discussions
> >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in
> malware
> >> threats.
> >>
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> >> Inkscape-user mailing list
> >> Inkscape-user@...
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-user
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
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I used Firefox on my computer until Chrome came along. The problem I had
with Firefox is that, when scrolling, the page moved in jerks.

Dennis

On 31 August 2012 16:40, Felix E. Klee <felix.klee@...> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Quick Silver
> <quicksilvercarrier@...> wrote:
> > Netscape is a wonderful program.
>
> Consider upgrading to Firefox. It has native SVG support. ;-)
>
>
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From: Quick Silver [mailto:quicksilvercarrier@...] 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:36 PM
To: Inkscape User Community
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-user] Alternative to Inkscape for Windows 7
 
It depends of course on the complexity of your drawings.
 
Is this the real cause of your trouble?
 
The size of you SVG is massive compared to most I have produced and seen.
 
It is almost bitmap size!
 
I'm not sure how you produced this svg, but it is generating a ton of bits ;-)
 
I'm sure this doesn't help.
 
Paul
 
 
PS Since the code is written to be portable, I doubt if the OS makes much difference.
 
Browsers may vary a bit, but by any standards your svg loads very slowly.
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running Inkscape development build 11604 on Windows XP, I can confirm
that the response of Inkscape to this particular file is indeed very slow.
However, the export bitmap (to png) command appears to be working reasonably
well. Attached is the result I got at 600 dpi. This took about 10 seconds to
generate the file.
    By comparison, the export bitmap on Inkscape 0.48.3.1 was so slow as to
be unuseable.
    Would you be willing to try a recent development build, available at
skydrive:
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=09706d11303fa52a&id=9706D11303FA52A%21217

hth,
Alvin Penner
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I downloaded 11604 and extracted with 7Z to the same folder but, Windows
said that it couldn't use this file.

Could you tell me where the 1104 should be extracted to or how I can use
use the extraction that I have in my downloads folder ?

Dennis

On 1 September 2012 00:43, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

>     running Inkscape development build 11604 on Windows XP, I can confirm
> that the response of Inkscape to this particular file is indeed very slow.
> However, the export bitmap (to png) command appears to be working
> reasonably
> well. Attached is the result I got at 600 dpi. This took about 10 seconds
> to
> generate the file.
>     By comparison, the export bitmap on Inkscape 0.48.3.1 was so slow as to
> be unuseable.
>     Would you be willing to try a recent development build, available at
> skydrive:
> https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=09706d11303fa52a&id=9706D11303FA52A%21217
>
> hth,
> Alvin Penner
> http://inkscape.13.n6.nabble.com/file/n4965130/2ANIME-GIRL.png
> 2ANIME-GIRL.png
>
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I loaded your SVG under Ubuntu 0.48.3 and it is dog-slow as well (i7 
64Bit, 4 Cores, 16G)

This matches my experience. It is still the vector based product i 
favour, but its speed definitely affects what i draw and how, sadly.

It really is a terrible shame.
It would appear logical to me to reduce the numerous features and
concentrate on the basics of performance. If there was an open source
alternative I would be there right now.
I have just completed a dream catcher where I support Inkscape with Gimp
and I had no problems, mind you you can't compare the complexity of the
Sorceress with my dream catcher :):)
I dream for better days :)

Dennis

On 1 September 2012 10:53, Geoffrey <lordgeoffrey@...> wrote:

> I loaded your SVG under Ubuntu 0.48.3 and it is dog-slow as well (i7
> 64Bit, 4 Cores, 16G)
>
> This matches my experience. It is still the vector based product i
> favour, but its speed definitely affects what i draw and how, sadly.
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On 2012-08-31 12:01, Dennis Melling wrote:
> When I reach my final image with the filter effects applied I can no
> longer edit anything and converting to a bitmap image is like crashing
> your head into a brick wall:(

On my computer, it took 25 seconds to convert your drawing to 600 DPI 
bitmap (907*789) with Inkscape 0.48 on Linux. Doing the same with GIMP 
2.8 took 42 seconds.

I have 2 GB RAM. The bottleneck is not the amount of RAM, it is the 
speed of the CPU.

My maximum clock speed is 1795MHz ???

On 1 September 2012 12:41, Mikael Ståldal <mikael@...> wrote:

> On 2012-08-31 12:01, Dennis Melling wrote:
> > When I reach my final image with the filter effects applied I can no
> > longer edit anything and converting to a bitmap image is like crashing
> > your head into a brick wall:(
>
> On my computer, it took 25 seconds to convert your drawing to 600 DPI
> bitmap (907*789) with Inkscape 0.48 on Linux. Doing the same with GIMP
> 2.8 took 42 seconds.
>
> I have 2 GB RAM. The bottleneck is not the amount of RAM, it is the
> speed of the CPU.
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on the skydrive website, there are two files called inkscape_r11604. you need
only the one called 201208132044.7z. You do not need the one that ends in
dbg.7z. The file that you download should be about 33 Mb. The procedure that
I normally use is to unzip it in such a way that it directly overwrites the
current copy that I already have. However, you could also create a new
directory and put it in there.
     If there are error messages when you run it, could you report them
here?

hth,
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I downloaded and unzipped the 44.7z file and overwrote it over my existing
0.48 (in the download folder).
The program then uninstalled my existing 0.48 and reinstalled what I
thought was the 44.7z but on opening my Inkscape it shows that it is still
the 0.48.
I am not an expert at computering and so 'where did I go wrong' ?

Dennis


On 1 September 2012 14:03, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> on the skydrive website, there are two files called inkscape_r11604. you
> need
> only the one called 201208132044.7z. You do not need the one that ends in
> dbg.7z. The file that you download should be about 33 Mb. The procedure
> that
> I normally use is to unzip it in such a way that it directly overwrites the
> current copy that I already have. However, you could also create a new
> directory and put it in there.
>      If there are error messages when you run it, could you report them
> here?
>
> hth,
> Alvin
>
>
>
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sorry, I guess I left out a number of steps. The 7z file that you will
get from this download is not a normal installation package, so you will not
be able to install it by double-clicking on it. It is a zipped version of
all the files in the Inkscape directory and they need to be unzipped and
copied on top of what you currently have.
    You will need to install the 7-zip File Manager, available from
 http://www.7-zip.org. Then open the File Manager, navigate to the directory where
your 7z file is, open the 7z file, and click on extract. Then you can either
overwrite your current Inkscape files or you may want to create a new
directory and put the new files into it to keep your old version of
Inkscape. This will not install Inkscape, it will simply copy the new files
into this directory, so you may need to create a new shortcut to point to
the new location.

hth,
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???

I now have the file unpacked and standing by in my 7z page which points to
it being located at:

C:\Users\Dennis Melling\Downloads\inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\

when I look in my downloads folder it doesn't contain a file ending in 7z
inkscape

how do I move this unpacked file from the 7z software into my inkscape
program

I will overwrite my current 0.48 because I can always reinstall if I
completely mess it up.

Dennis

On 1 September 2012 15:49, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

>     sorry, I guess I left out a number of steps. The 7z file that you will
> get from this download is not a normal installation package, so you will
> not
> be able to install it by double-clicking on it. It is a zipped version of
> all the files in the Inkscape directory and they need to be unzipped and
> copied on top of what you currently have.
>     You will need to install the 7-zip File Manager, available from
> http://www.7-zip.org. Then open the File Manager, navigate to the directory where
> your 7z file is, open the 7z file, and click on extract. Then you can
> either
> overwrite your current Inkscape files or you may want to create a new
> directory and put the new files into it to keep your old version of
> Inkscape. This will not install Inkscape, it will simply copy the new files
> into this directory, so you may need to create a new shortcut to point to
> the new location.
>
> hth,
> Alvin
>
>
>
>
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I found an unpacked 11604 file without the suffix and copied and pasted
this into my programs Inkscape and it seemed to be loading over it but when
I again opened my 0.48 it was still 0.48

On 1 September 2012 16:24, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...:

> ???
>
> I now have the file unpacked and standing by in my 7z page which points to
> it being located at:
>
> C:\Users\Dennis Melling\Downloads\inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\
>
> when I look in my downloads folder it doesn't contain a file ending in 7z
> inkscape
>
> how do I move this unpacked file from the 7z software into my inkscape
> program
>
> I will overwrite my current 0.48 because I can always reinstall if I
> completely mess it up.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 1 September 2012 15:49, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:
>
>>     sorry, I guess I left out a number of steps. The 7z file that you will
>> get from this download is not a normal installation package, so you will
>> not
>> be able to install it by double-clicking on it. It is a zipped version of
>> all the files in the Inkscape directory and they need to be unzipped and
>> copied on top of what you currently have.
>>     You will need to install the 7-zip File Manager, available from
>> http://www.7-zip.org. Then open the File Manager, navigate to the directory
>> where
>> your 7z file is, open the 7z file, and click on extract. Then you can
>> either
>> overwrite your current Inkscape files or you may want to create a new
>> directory and put the new files into it to keep your old version of
>> Inkscape. This will not install Inkscape, it will simply copy the new
>> files
>> into this directory, so you may need to create a new shortcut to point to
>> the new location.
>>
>> hth,
>> Alvin
>>
>>
>>
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yes the unpacked file is sitting in my original inkscape 0.48 area but
doesn't seem to be doing anything??

On 1 September 2012 16:31, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...:

> I found an unpacked 11604 file without the suffix and copied and pasted
> this into my programs Inkscape and it seemed to be loading over it but when
> I again opened my 0.48 it was still 0.48
>
>
> On 1 September 2012 16:24, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...:
>
>> ???
>>
>> I now have the file unpacked and standing by in my 7z page which points
>> to it being located at:
>>
>> C:\Users\Dennis
>> Melling\Downloads\inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\
>>
>> when I look in my downloads folder it doesn't contain a file ending in 7z
>> inkscape
>>
>> how do I move this unpacked file from the 7z software into my inkscape
>> program
>>
>> I will overwrite my current 0.48 because I can always reinstall if I
>> completely mess it up.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On 1 September 2012 15:49, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:
>>
>>>     sorry, I guess I left out a number of steps. The 7z file that you
>>> will
>>> get from this download is not a normal installation package, so you will
>>> not
>>> be able to install it by double-clicking on it. It is a zipped version of
>>> all the files in the Inkscape directory and they need to be unzipped and
>>> copied on top of what you currently have.
>>>     You will need to install the 7-zip File Manager, available from
>>> http://www.7-zip.org. Then open the File Manager, navigate to the directory
>>> where
>>> your 7z file is, open the 7z file, and click on extract. Then you can
>>> either
>>> overwrite your current Inkscape files or you may want to create a new
>>> directory and put the new files into it to keep your old version of
>>> Inkscape. This will not install Inkscape, it will simply copy the new
>>> files
>>> into this directory, so you may need to create a new shortcut to point to
>>> the new location.
>>>
>>> hth,
>>> Alvin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>

it is not clear to me how you unpacked it. Did you use 7-zip to unpack it, or
did Windows automatically start up a unzip procedure?

If you have a folder called \inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\ then
this folder should contain an executable file called Inkscape.exe. Can you
double-click on it to start it up?






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perhaps one more question, when you say that you have a folder called:

C:\Users\Dennis Melling\Downloads\inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\

are you viewing this folder from Windows Explorer or are you viewing this
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I used 7z to open the zip and the opened file is still sitting on the 7z
screen, including Inkscape.exe which I double clicked and got:
can't start because libMagick++-3.dll is missing from your
computer.............

I think I should wait for the official 0.49 is released

Dennis

On 1 September 2012 16:36, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> it is not clear to me how you unpacked it. Did you use 7-zip to unpack it,
> or
> did Windows automatically start up a unzip procedure?
>
> If you have a folder called \inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\ then
> this folder should contain an executable file called Inkscape.exe. Can you
> double-click on it to start it up?
>
>
>
>
>
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the one with the suffix is in the 7z window and this is the one that I
double clicked.

The one in the downloads folder (the one I transfered to the 0.48 program)
does not have the inkscape suffix.

On 1 September 2012 16:42, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> perhaps one more question, when you say that you have a folder called:
>
> C:\Users\Dennis Melling\Downloads\inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\
>
> are you viewing this folder from Windows Explorer or are you viewing this
> from inside 7-zip File Manager?
>
>
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I do have the Magic file, that is sitting on the 7z page as well


On 1 September 2012 16:55, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...:

> the one with the suffix is in the 7z window and this is the one that I
> double clicked.
>
> The one in the downloads folder (the one I transfered to the 0.48 program)
> does not have the inkscape suffix.
>
>
> On 1 September 2012 16:42, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:
>
>> perhaps one more question, when you say that you have a folder called:
>>
>> C:\Users\Dennis
>> Melling\Downloads\inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z\inkscape\
>>
>> are you viewing this folder from Windows Explorer or are you viewing this
>> from inside 7-zip File Manager?
>>
>>
>>
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>

>>  I used 7z to open the zip and the opened file is still sitting on the 7z
screen, including Inkscape.exe which I double 
>> clicked and got: can't start because libMagick++-3.dll is missing from
>> your computer.............

- well, that is very strange, I just unloaded and ran the 7-zip version on
Windows 7 (32 bit) and it started up with no problem
- just to confirm, did you use the Extract button?, did you get warnings
telling you that you were overwriting existing files?
- which directory did you extract to?

- just for future reference, here is the procedure I normally use, assuming
I wish to overwrite my current version.

I am going to assume that you have been viewing this from inside 7-zip File
Manager and that you have not yet hit the Extract button.
Then the procedure that I would use is as follows:
- close everything
- start up 7-zip File Manager
- navigate to the 7z file called inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z
- perform a single-click on this file just to highlight it, not to open it
- click on the Extract button to open up a file browser window
- navigate to the location where you want to put these files.
- be aware of the fact that this extraction procedure will automatically
create a sub-directory called Inkscape when you extract it
- so for example, if you choose the directory C:\Program Files\ to extract
into, then you will end up with a folder called C:\Program Files\Inkscape\
and inside this folder will be the executable called Inkscape.exe
- then click OK and you will get various warnings that you are overwriting
existing files.




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Don't hold your breath but I will start the process all over again :)

On 1 September 2012 17:13, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> >>  I used 7z to open the zip and the opened file is still sitting on the
> 7z
> screen, including Inkscape.exe which I double
> >> clicked and got: can't start because libMagick++-3.dll is missing from
> >> your computer.............
>
> - well, that is very strange, I just unloaded and ran the 7-zip version on
> Windows 7 (32 bit) and it started up with no problem
> - just to confirm, did you use the Extract button?, did you get warnings
> telling you that you were overwriting existing files?
> - which directory did you extract to?
>
> - just for future reference, here is the procedure I normally use, assuming
> I wish to overwrite my current version.
>
> I am going to assume that you have been viewing this from inside 7-zip File
> Manager and that you have not yet hit the Extract button.
> Then the procedure that I would use is as follows:
> - close everything
> - start up 7-zip File Manager
> - navigate to the 7z file called inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z
> - perform a single-click on this file just to highlight it, not to open it
> - click on the Extract button to open up a file browser window
> - navigate to the location where you want to put these files.
> - be aware of the fact that this extraction procedure will automatically
> create a sub-directory called Inkscape when you extract it
> - so for example, if you choose the directory C:\Program Files\ to extract
> into, then you will end up with a folder called C:\Program Files\Inkscape\
> and inside this folder will be the executable called Inkscape.exe
> - then click OK and you will get various warnings that you are overwriting
> existing files.
>
>
>
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I cannot find any file that contains an exe!!!

On 1 September 2012 17:13, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> >>  I used 7z to open the zip and the opened file is still sitting on the
> 7z
> screen, including Inkscape.exe which I double
> >> clicked and got: can't start because libMagick++-3.dll is missing from
> >> your computer.............
>
> - well, that is very strange, I just unloaded and ran the 7-zip version on
> Windows 7 (32 bit) and it started up with no problem
> - just to confirm, did you use the Extract button?, did you get warnings
> telling you that you were overwriting existing files?
> - which directory did you extract to?
>
> - just for future reference, here is the procedure I normally use, assuming
> I wish to overwrite my current version.
>
> I am going to assume that you have been viewing this from inside 7-zip File
> Manager and that you have not yet hit the Extract button.
> Then the procedure that I would use is as follows:
> - close everything
> - start up 7-zip File Manager
> - navigate to the 7z file called inkscape_r11604-201208132044.7z
> - perform a single-click on this file just to highlight it, not to open it
> - click on the Extract button to open up a file browser window
> - navigate to the location where you want to put these files.
> - be aware of the fact that this extraction procedure will automatically
> create a sub-directory called Inkscape when you extract it
> - so for example, if you choose the directory C:\Program Files\ to extract
> into, then you will end up with a folder called C:\Program Files\Inkscape\
> and inside this folder will be the executable called Inkscape.exe
> - then click OK and you will get various warnings that you are overwriting
> existing files.
>
>
>
>
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it is possible that on your machine the .exe extension may be hidden by
default, do your .exe files normally show .exe at the end in Windows
Explorer?

- could you describe the steps you have taken so far, for example, did you
hit Extract, which directory did you extract to, did you get warnings that
you were overwriting files, can you confirm that you have new files with new
dates in them, like Aug 13?



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I started from scratch and followed your instructions as written but
couldn't find this exe file.

As I said previously the exe file does appear if I double click the 11604
in the 7z window  but I get the magic pop-up when I click on this. The exe
file is 13082012.

When I clicked extract in the 7z window and then directed the file to my
local disc C/program(x86) I had lots of error messages. The result is a
file cover entry in my inkscape program folder with the 11604 number but
when I open this file it does not contain the exe file.
The file name is inkscape_r11604-201208132044

On 1 September 2012 18:01, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> it is possible that on your machine the .exe extension may be hidden by
> default, do your .exe files normally show .exe at the end in Windows
> Explorer?
>
> - could you describe the steps you have taken so far, for example, did you
> hit Extract, which directory did you extract to, did you get warnings that
> you were overwriting files, can you confirm that you have new files with
> new
> dates in them, like Aug 13?
>
>
>
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well, I am at a loss. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the user
interface for 7-zip has changed. I am using 7-zip version 4.57.
other than that, all I can think of is to double-check a few steps.
- for example, when you are in 7-zip and you select the file
inkscape_r11604.7z it is important that you do a single click, not a
double-click.
- then hit Extract
- then browse to a new location, such as \Program Files\
- in order to prevent overwriting old files you may want to browse to a
subdirectory of your username and extract it there. This way you will not
get any warning messages saying that you are overwriting files, and you also
will not encounter any security problems caused by writing to a system
directory.
- then note that you will get a new sub-directory called Inkscape and the
Inkscape executable file will be inside this subdirectory.




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I am using 9.20.

I will carry on trying and will let you know how I get on.
Many, many thanks for your help and patience :)

Best wishes
Dennis

On 1 September 2012 19:12, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> well, I am at a loss. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the
> user
> interface for 7-zip has changed. I am using 7-zip version 4.57.
> other than that, all I can think of is to double-check a few steps.
> - for example, when you are in 7-zip and you select the file
> inkscape_r11604.7z it is important that you do a single click, not a
> double-click.
> - then hit Extract
> - then browse to a new location, such as \Program Files\
> - in order to prevent overwriting old files you may want to browse to a
> subdirectory of your username and extract it there. This way you will not
> get any warning messages saying that you are overwriting files, and you
> also
> will not encounter any security problems caused by writing to a system
> directory.
> - then note that you will get a new sub-directory called Inkscape and the
> Inkscape executable file will be inside this subdirectory.
>
>
>
>
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:53:06 +1000, Geoffrey said:
> I loaded your SVG under Ubuntu 0.48.3 and it is dog-slow as well (i7 
> 64Bit, 4 Cores, 16G)
> 
> This matches my experience. It is still the vector based product i 
> favour, but its speed definitely affects what i draw and how, sadly.

Hi Geoffrey,

Did you load it under Inkscape or something else? If Inkscape,
which version? The thread is a little hard to follow, with different
people discussing different products.

=*=*=*=*=*=*=

You know what bothers me about this thread? The initial question (not
posed by Geoffrey) was not "how do I get my graphic to edit
acceptably with Inkscape x.x under Windows 7, 64bit, 8GB RAM", or even
"how can I edit my SVG with acceptable speed", but instead, asking for
an Inscape-like program that (my words) "works". 

Let's just say that's not how *I* approach a project's mailing list
with my first-ever post. It's hostile, and implies an agenda not
aligned with Inkscape. If the original poster doesn't like Inkscape, let
him find his own damn vector editor. We don't owe him him the time to
guide him to the editor of his dreams.

Geoffrey has loaded the SVG (I presume in Inkscape) and reproduced the
slowness on Linux. If the original poster had asked his question in a
less insulting manner, right now I might be editing the SVG down to the
smallest possible example to reproduce the issue, and then we'd find
the component making Inkscape "slow", and fixing it might be just a
simple profiling. Too bad the original poster didn't do that. Perhaps
that wasn't his agenda.

Also not known, as far as I can read from this long, long thread about
Inscape alternatives, is whether the original SVG was created entirely
in Inkscape. Perhaps it's possible that the SVG displaying this
slowness with Inkscape was actually written by a different program, one
outputting bad, but recognizeable SVG, and Inscape takes a lot of time
to figure out what is meant by the bad SVG. Did the original even
bother to use "Vacuum Defs"? We don't know, but a Claws-Mail search
found no instances of "vacuum" in this thread.

My recommendation would be to take the silver lining out of this
thread's horizon to horizon black shelf clouds, and use this guy's SVG
to determine exactly *what* component(s) result in Inkscape slowness,
and if appropriate speed up that specific part of Inkscape. As far as
guiding the original poster to his dream editor -- that's his job, not
ours.

Last but not least, here's a document the original poster should read
and then follow:

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Thanks

SteveT

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Hi Steven,
My simple comment was >>

I loaded your SVG under Ubuntu 0.48.3 and it is dog-slow as well (i7 64Bit, 4 Cores, 16G)
<<

On 02/09/12 04:19, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:53:06 +1000, Geoffrey said:
>> I loaded your SVG under Ubuntu 0.48.3 and it is dog-slow as well (i7
>> 64Bit, 4 Cores, 16G)
>>
>> This matches my experience. It is still the vector based product i
>> favour, but its speed definitely affects what i draw and how, sadly.
> Hi Geoffrey,
>
> Did you load it under Inkscape or something else? If Inkscape,
> which version? The thread is a little hard to follow, with different
> people discussing different products.
>
> =*=*=*=*=*=*=
>
> You know what bothers me about this thread? The initial question (not
> posed by Geoffrey) was not "how do I get my graphic to edit
> acceptably with Inkscape x.x under Windows 7, 64bit, 8GB RAM", or even
> "how can I edit my SVG with acceptable speed", but instead, asking for
> an Inscape-like program that (my words) "works".
>
> Let's just say that's not how *I* approach a project's mailing list
> with my first-ever post. It's hostile, and implies an agenda not
> aligned with Inkscape. If the original poster doesn't like Inkscape, let
> him find his own damn vector editor. We don't owe him him the time to
> guide him to the editor of his dreams.
>
> Geoffrey has loaded the SVG (I presume in Inkscape) and reproduced the
> slowness on Linux. If the original poster had asked his question in a
> less insulting manner, right now I might be editing the SVG down to the
> smallest possible example to reproduce the issue, and then we'd find
> the component making Inkscape "slow", and fixing it might be just a
> simple profiling. Too bad the original poster didn't do that. Perhaps
> that wasn't his agenda.
>
> Also not known, as far as I can read from this long, long thread about
> Inscape alternatives, is whether the original SVG was created entirely
> in Inkscape. Perhaps it's possible that the SVG displaying this
> slowness with Inkscape was actually written by a different program, one
> outputting bad, but recognizeable SVG, and Inscape takes a lot of time
> to figure out what is meant by the bad SVG. Did the original even
> bother to use "Vacuum Defs"? We don't know, but a Claws-Mail search
> found no instances of "vacuum" in this thread.
>
> My recommendation would be to take the silver lining out of this
> thread's horizon to horizon black shelf clouds, and use this guy's SVG
> to determine exactly *what* component(s) result in Inkscape slowness,
> and if appropriate speed up that specific part of Inkscape. As far as
> guiding the original poster to his dream editor -- that's his job, not
> ours.
>
> Last but not least, here's a document the original poster should read
> and then follow:
> I loaded your SVG under Ubuntu 0.48.3 and it is dog-slow as well (i7
> 64Bit, 4 Cores, 16G)
> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> Thanks
>
> SteveT
>
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On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Dennis Melling
<dennismelling.rom@...:

> I am using 9.20.
>
> I will carry on trying and will let you know how I get on.
> Many, many thanks for your help and patience :)
>

Dennis,

The sample SVG you sent certainly causes inkscape to struggle on my
machine. It's probably the heaviest SVG file I've seen to date. Filters are
certainly the issue you are having. Whilst editing the file, you probably
want to turn these off using:

View -> Display Mode -> No Filters.

Obviously you're losing a lot of detail there when editing like this, but
the program is very fast with your file in this mode.

Regards,
Kevin

Hello Alvin

I have tried, in various ways and using various sub directories to discover
the exe file but, in each case I didn't see an exe file but a normal
inkscape logo. When I click on this it takes me to the normal 0.48 screen.

I am not on your inkscape list as such because I was directed to use email
when I tried to apply a post and so perhaps you can tell me how I can now
close this post ?

Dennis

On 1 September 2012 19:12, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> well, I am at a loss. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the
> user
> interface for 7-zip has changed. I am using 7-zip version 4.57.
> other than that, all I can think of is to double-check a few steps.
> - for example, when you are in 7-zip and you select the file
> inkscape_r11604.7z it is important that you do a single click, not a
> double-click.
> - then hit Extract
> - then browse to a new location, such as \Program Files\
> - in order to prevent overwriting old files you may want to browse to a
> subdirectory of your username and extract it there. This way you will not
> get any warning messages saying that you are overwriting files, and you
> also
> will not encounter any security problems caused by writing to a system
> directory.
> - then note that you will get a new sub-directory called Inkscape and the
> Inkscape executable file will be inside this subdirectory.
>
>
>
>
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Hello Dennis,
- as for this thread, it will come to a natural end once people stop
contributing to it.
- as for the .exe file, it is possible that your Windows may be set not to
display the .exe extension. In Windows Explorer. the Inkscape file will show
itself as either Inkscape or Inkscape.exe depending on your folder settings.
The folder settings can be checked in Windows Explorer at the menu item
Organize->Folder and Search Options->View->Hide extensions for known file
types. This determines whether or not you will see .exe in the file listing.
- as for the Inkscape version you are running, go to the Inkscape menu item
Help->About Inkscape. The latest stable release will say 'Inkscape 0.48.3.1
r9886'. A more recent development build, such as you would get from a 7z
download, will say 'Inkscape 0.48 + devel r11604'




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Thank you Alvin

Regards
Dennis

On 2 September 2012 14:17, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> Hello Dennis,
> - as for this thread, it will come to a natural end once people stop
> contributing to it.
> - as for the .exe file, it is possible that your Windows may be set not to
> display the .exe extension. In Windows Explorer. the Inkscape file will
> show
> itself as either Inkscape or Inkscape.exe depending on your folder
> settings.
> The folder settings can be checked in Windows Explorer at the menu item
> Organize->Folder and Search Options->View->Hide extensions for known file
> types. This determines whether or not you will see .exe in the file
> listing.
> - as for the Inkscape version you are running, go to the Inkscape menu item
> Help->About Inkscape. The latest stable release will say 'Inkscape 0.48.3.1
> r9886'. A more recent development build, such as you would get from a 7z
> download, will say 'Inkscape 0.48 + devel r11604'
>
>
>
>
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Boom, Boom :)

Extensions were on hide............

I now have 0.48 + devel r11604 installed - whoopee :):)

INCREDIBLE

7z doesn't help, it only shows inscape_r11  (no other numbers)

Thank you very much Alvin - sorry to be so thick

Regards
Dennis

On 2 September 2012 14:17, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:

> Hello Dennis,
> - as for this thread, it will come to a natural end once people stop
> contributing to it.
> - as for the .exe file, it is possible that your Windows may be set not to
> display the .exe extension. In Windows Explorer. the Inkscape file will
> show
> itself as either Inkscape or Inkscape.exe depending on your folder
> settings.
> The folder settings can be checked in Windows Explorer at the menu item
> Organize->Folder and Search Options->View->Hide extensions for known file
> types. This determines whether or not you will see .exe in the file
> listing.
> - as for the Inkscape version you are running, go to the Inkscape menu item
> Help->About Inkscape. The latest stable release will say 'Inkscape 0.48.3.1
> r9886'. A more recent development build, such as you would get from a 7z
> download, will say 'Inkscape 0.48 + devel r11604'
>
>
>
>
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I am working on a drawing of a native American girl, have just put the
combined lighting filter on this and the image will move around the page
pretty fast.
Maybe this is what I have been waiting for :):)

Dennis

On 2 September 2012 16:00, Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...:

> Boom, Boom :)
>
> Extensions were on hide............
>
> I now have 0.48 + devel r11604 installed - whoopee :):)
>
> INCREDIBLE
>
> 7z doesn't help, it only shows inscape_r11  (no other numbers)
>
> Thank you very much Alvin - sorry to be so thick
>
> Regards
> Dennis
>
> On 2 September 2012 14:17, alvinpenner <penner@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello Dennis,
>> - as for this thread, it will come to a natural end once people stop
>> contributing to it.
>> - as for the .exe file, it is possible that your Windows may be set not to
>> display the .exe extension. In Windows Explorer. the Inkscape file will
>> show
>> itself as either Inkscape or Inkscape.exe depending on your folder
>> settings.
>> The folder settings can be checked in Windows Explorer at the menu item
>> Organize->Folder and Search Options->View->Hide extensions for known file
>> types. This determines whether or not you will see .exe in the file
>> listing.
>> - as for the Inkscape version you are running, go to the Inkscape menu
>> item
>> Help->About Inkscape. The latest stable release will say 'Inkscape
>> 0.48.3.1
>> r9886'. A more recent development build, such as you would get from a 7z
>> download, will say 'Inkscape 0.48 + devel r11604'
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>
>

On 1 September 2012 12:19, Steve Litt <slitt@...> wrote:
>
> You know what bothers me about this thread?

The original poster is obviously not a sophisticated computer user. I
kindly suggest that expecting him to have a nuanced approach to
mailing list etiquette on what is probably one of his first mailing
lists isn't reasonable, and that those of us with more experience (15
years of my 29, here) apply the tact we would like ourselves on
incoming emails when it isn't being applied by posters on their
outgoing emails :-) http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html

Just thought I would pipe in here and say we've all been there at one
point or another :)  Good luck with future drawings!

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Dennis Melling
<dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:
> [...] sorry to be so thick

> This is my latest image
Okay, I endured one large attachment, but the second is too much. Please 
don't do this, not all of us have huge bandwidth.

If you must attach an image at *least* drop it down in size to under 200kb.

\d

Oops, I dropped down from 23MB so that I could send it via email on my WiFi
stick.
My internet speed is 0.34mbps

Dennis

On 3 September 2012 10:08, donn <donn.ingle@...> wrote:

> > This is my latest image
> Okay, I endured one large attachment, but the second is too much. Please
> don't do this, not all of us have huge bandwidth.
>
> If you must attach an image at *least* drop it down in size to under 200kb.
>
> \d
>
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Dennis,
One advice. You have a Gmail account, right?. Why don't you save the file to your GoogleDrive, share the file and then email the link to that file? 
Ciao,
Gian

Op 03 sep 2012 om 11:26 uur schreef Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...>:

Oops, I dropped down from 23MB so that I could send it via email on my WiFi stick.
My internet speed is 0.34mbps

Dennis

On 3 September 2012 10:08, donn <donn.ingle@...> wrote:
> This is my latest image
Okay, I endured one large attachment, but the second is too much. Please
don't do this, not all of us have huge bandwidth.

If you must attach an image at *least* drop it down in size to under 200kb.

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OK I will see if I can find what my GoogleDrive is
Dennis

On 3 September 2012 12:37, Gianvittorio Zandona <gianvittorio@...> wrote:

> Dennis,
> One advice. You have a Gmail account, right?. Why don't you save the file
> to your GoogleDrive, share the file and then email the link to that file?
> Ciao,
> Gian
>
> Op 03 sep 2012 om 11:26 uur schreef Dennis Melling <
> dennismelling.rom@...>:
>
> Oops, I dropped down from 23MB so that I could send it via email on my
> WiFi stick.
> My internet speed is 0.34mbps
>
> Dennis
>
> On 3 September 2012 10:08, donn <donn.ingle@...> wrote:
>
>> > This is my latest image
>> Okay, I endured one large attachment, but the second is too much. Please
>> don't do this, not all of us have huge bandwidth.
>>
>> If you must attach an image at *least* drop it down in size to under
>> 200kb.
>>
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Dennis,

Going back to the Sorceress image it's definitely the filters that are
slowing it down. It might help to understand how filters work in the SVG
world, as it makes it easier to understand how the various workarounds that
people have suggested will help.

Filters are essentially bitmaps generated by performing a series of
mathematical operations on each pixel in the rendered image. The more
pixels that need to be rendered, the more maths there is to do, and the
slower the rendering will be. Rendering to a bitmap doesn't just mean
exporting to PNG though; every time Inkscape draws to the screen it has to
render to a bitmap.

If your filtered object takes up (say) 50 pixels in the rendered image, it
can be drawn a lot faster than if it takes up 500 pixels, as there's only a
tenth of the pixels to calculate. That leads to my first suggestions:

1) Zooming out will make things redraw faster, as will reducing the window
size (I prefer to use a smaller window with undocked palettes for this
reason, rather than running Inkscape full-screen). Try not to zoom in any
further than you have to.

1a) When you do export to bitmap, higher DPI settings will lead to more
pixels, more calculations and a longer export time. Try to keep the DPI and
the export area down to the smallest you can get away with.


If there is any transparency involved then Inkscape has to render the
object(s) below, then render the objects above, then combine the two. So
our 500 pixel object, as soon as transparency is added, will result in at
least 1000 pixels being calculated and combined. Even if the opacity of
your objects is at 100%, many filters introduce some transparency - blurs
being the most obvious. Now consider many blurred and translucent objects
stacked on top of each other - that's a lot of maths to do.

That's why it can be beneficial to split your image into layers. Hiding
layers means that they don't have to be calculated, and don't have to be
merged with other objects, greatly reducing the amount of maths needed to
re-draw the image. Bear in mind that you can also have sub-layers (and
sub-sub-layers...) which can make it easier to manage drawings with lots of
objects in.

2) Split your drawing into layers and hide as many as you can if
performance is a problem.


Sometimes you might want to use the filtered version of an object for
reference, but don't really need to have Inkscape re-calculating it all the
time. Select the object(s) in question, and use Edit > Create  A Bitmap
Copy to generate a bitmap with the filters "fixed". It may take a while to
create the bitmap, but once done it will be a lot faster to render than the
original objects. If I need to do this I do it for a whole layer of
objects, so that I can then hide the layer, and put the bitmap onto the
layer I'm actually working on.

3) Use bitmaps to let you "snapshot" your filtered objects for reference,
then hide the originals.


Of course, the fastest option is simply not to do all the maths. If you
don't need to see the filtered version to make an edit, then don't make
Inkscape draw it. My final suggestion:

4) Use View > Display Mode to turn off filters as much as you can.


When you use filters or effects in The GIMP, the result is immediately
fixed. If changes the colour of some pixels, then its job is done. The
filter doesn't need to be re-calculated when you zoom in, but you also
can't alter its parameters later on. Inkscape filters are "live" and get
re-calculated for every pixel for every zoom, pan or change in the image.
They are performing magnitudes more calculations than filters in The GIMP.
The trick is to know and understand that difference, and try to structure
your image and workflow so that you minimise the number of calculations it
has to perform at any given time.

I hope that helps a little.

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Mark Crutch schrieb:

[a lot of helpful stuff]

> I hope that helps a little.

Amen. That is a really, really good explanation.

Cheerz,
Lars

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:43:43 +0300
Dennis Melling <dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:

> OK I will see if I can find what my GoogleDrive is

It should be here: https://drive.google.com/#my-drive


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> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Dennis Melling <
> dennismelling.rom@...> wrote:
> This is my latest image, on the latest development of inkscape, of a
> native indian girl on a PD background.
> Dennis
>

Dennis,

You might find there's some other places better to share this or discuss
your techniques.

Deviantart is a community site for sharing and reviewing images. It even
include an inkscape section.
http://www.deviantart.com/

The inkscape forum is a lot more active with end user questions.
http://www.inkscapeforum.com/

Obviously this list is inkscape-user, and it's meant for end user
discussion. The discussion and userbase here is a little bit more technical
though, so you might find the forum more amenable.

Regards,
Kevin

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 13:37:16 +0200, Lars Behrens said:
> Mark Crutch schrieb:
> 
> [a lot of helpful stuff]
> 
> > I hope that helps a little.
> 
> Amen. That is a really, really good explanation.

+1

Fantastic explanation and advice.

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Thanks for your time.
Thanks for your knowledge.

On 3 Sep 2012, at 12:30, Mark Crutch wrote:

> it's definitely the filters that are slowing it down...

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On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mark Crutch <markc@...> wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> Going back to the Sorceress image it's definitely the filters that are
> slowing it down. It might help to understand how filters work in the SVG
> world, as it makes it easier to understand how the various workarounds that
> people have suggested will help.
>
> Filters are essentially bitmaps generated by performing a series of
> mathematical operations on each pixel in the rendered image. The more pixels
> that need to be rendered, the more maths there is to do, and the slower the
> rendering will be. Rendering to a bitmap doesn't just mean exporting to PNG
> though; every time Inkscape draws to the screen it has to render to a
> bitmap.
>
> If your filtered object takes up (say) 50 pixels in the rendered image, it
> can be drawn a lot faster than if it takes up 500 pixels, as there's only a
> tenth of the pixels to calculate. That leads to my first suggestions:
>

I think inkscape's problem is it tries to render the whole image
instead of only the visible part. That's why when we zoom in, the
render process becomes increasingly slow.

I maybe wrong about how inkscape works here. That's just a guess work
according to my experience.

Best Regards,

On 04-09-12 05:59, Auguste Pop wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Mark Crutch <markc@...> wrote:
>> ...
>> Filters are essentially bitmaps generated by performing a series of
>> mathematical operations on each pixel in the rendered image. The more pixels
>> that need to be rendered, the more maths there is to do, and the slower the
>> rendering will be. Rendering to a bitmap doesn't just mean exporting to PNG
>> though; every time Inkscape draws to the screen it has to render to a
>> bitmap.
>>...
> 
> I think inkscape's problem is it tries to render the whole image
> instead of only the visible part. That's why when we zoom in, the
> render process becomes increasingly slow.
> 
> I maybe wrong about how inkscape works here. That's just a guess work
> according to my experience.

In principle that's not how Inkscape does it, but there is a bit of
truth in there (and that's a large part of the problem). It's always
difficult to say for sure exactly why a program is slow until you've
fixed it, but I'll give it a go none the less.

First off all, most of Inkscape's filters are quite fast... However,
that is just when testing them in isolation, as in "give them an image
to work on and measure how long it takes to process it". Unfortunately
this is not the whole story. There are at least two problems that come up.

The first problem with Inkscape's filters is that Inkscape does NOT call
them on the entire image. Instead, it only calls them on patches or
slices (you may have noticed that Inkscape tends to update the screen
one patch/slice at a time). The problem here is that many filters (like
Gaussian blur) need "neighbouring" values. So suppose you have a 100x100
patch with Gaussian blur needing all values within a 100 pixels from the
current one. Inkscape then renders a 300x300 patch for each 100x100
patch that is displayed (cropping the results). That means that Inkscape
is essentially drawing the whole image 9 times!!! Obviously, as patches
get larger this becomes less of a problem (the development version of
Inkscape uses much larger patches/slices if I remember correctly).

The second problem is that if you have a lot of filter primitives in one
filter they basically get executed in series. So first primitive one,
then primitive two, etc. This needs a lot of intermediate buffers (not
100% sure that there isn't any reuse, but I doubt it), putting a lot of
pressure on memory use. But also, it requires an enormous amount of
memory bandwidth. I haven't delved into how much a problem this is, but
it's likely that it contributes significantly to the processing time of
filters.

The bad news is that the above is probably not going away any time soon.
I am unaware of any existing system to deal with problem one (although I
have some ideas for how it could be done), and problem two would
essentially require a pretty fundamental rewrite of our code. A GPU
version of our filtering code would help somewhat, but it's also not a
panacea (and again requires some major coding).

Finally, the above is probably not the whole story, as some things are
simply impossibly slow. That is why it is important to keep sending us
examples of files that really render WAY too slow.

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Auguste Pop <auguste@...> wrote:

>
> I think inkscape's problem is it tries to render the whole image
> instead of only the visible part. That's why when we zoom in, the
> render process becomes increasingly slow.
>

I don't believe that is the case, but as Jasper mentioned, it does have to
render more than is visible on screen.

Consider two objects right next to each other, both with Gaussian blur
applied. If you zoom in on one of them you would expect to see the blur of
the other object creeping in at the edge of the window, and mingling with
the blur around the zoomed object. So Inkscape has to render at least part
of the off-screen object, complete with blur, so that it can accurately
display it bleeding into the window.

The real problem is the number of filtered pixels to be calculated. A box
that's 100x100 pixels at one zoom level will be 50x50 or 500x500 at others.
Because filters are (generally) bitmap operations that apply to each pixel
in the filtered area (and beyond), more pixels means more calculations,
means slower redraws.

Try this experiment:

1) Create a blurred object then zoom in far enough for the redraw to become
noticeably slow.
2) Switch to outline view mode and full-screen Inkscape (F11).
3) Now switch back to normal view mode and time how long it takes to redraw.
4) Switch to outline mode again, and resize your window to be significantly
smaller.
5) Switch back to normal view mode, and time how long it takes to redraw.

Note that we haven't changed the zoom at any point, so if Inkscape is
drawing the whole image, the timings from (3) and (5) should be similar. In
my tests they're not, with (5) being significantly faster. That's why I
don't use Inkscape full-screen or even maximised, but prefer to work within
a smaller window and use floating tool palettes rather than docked ones.


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On 04-09-12 10:50, Mark Crutch wrote:
> ...
> The real problem is the number of filtered pixels to be calculated. A
> box that's 100x100 pixels at one zoom level will be 50x50 or 500x500 at
> others. Because filters are (generally) bitmap operations that apply to
> each pixel in the filtered area (and beyond), more pixels means more
> calculations, means slower redraws.
> ...

Never underestimate the power of a modern computer :) A typical PC is
able to fill your screen MANY, MANY times per second in terms of sheer
computational power. The only problem is getting the code to actually
run at full speed... In Inkscape's case we're doing more work than
necessary, and we're probably also not arranging the work in the most
efficient manner. And it is unfortunately non-trivial to do better (not
impossible, but it's definitely not a quick fix kind of thing).

(You are absolutely right that with something like blur you often need
to draw more than what is visible though.)

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Jasper van de Gronde <
th.v.d.gronde@...> wrote:

>
> Never underestimate the power of a modern computer :) A typical PC is
> able to fill your screen MANY, MANY times per second in terms of sheer
> computational power.
>


Regardless of the speed of the machine, it will always be possible to
create an image with enough heavy-duty filters to bog it down, even if
Inkscape's algorithms were to be optimised to the max. I wasn't trying to
suggest that a 500x500 pixel object will always slow a machine down, just
pointing out that there's generally less work to do when it's zoomed out
than when it's zoomed in. If an object has a filter that renders slowly -
whether due to computational complexity, inefficiencies in Inkscape's code,
or a slow machine - zooming out will likely cause it to render faster, and
zooming in will likely cause it to render slower still.

Yes, a modern machine can fill the screen many, many times a second. But
calculating what to fill it with can still be a multi-second operation,
depending on the content.

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