Trigger Rally

PS: All the sounds: gravel, wind, collision, gear-change can be listened to
in the latest video I made [1]. The engine sound has already been replaced
before.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igc7GGB_Zz4

Cheers

Iwan

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...:

> Hello all,
>
> I created a sound replacement pack for the wind, gravel, collision and
> gear sounds using own and public domain sounds from freesound.org. I
> prepared a .7 file [1] and a .ogg Vorbis preview [2] of the sounds
> in-action.
>
> [1] http://qubodup.net/f/trigger/sounds.7z (1.3M)
> [2] http://qubodup.net/f/trigger/trigger-clearsound.ogg (0.9M)
>
> Please review and let me know what you think! If there are no objections,
> I will commit these sounds in a week to SVN.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Iwan Gabovitch
> qubodup@...
> qubodup.net
>
>


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Hello
I am trying one replacement at a time and below are my raw impressions.


On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:46:26 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:
> I created a sound replacement pack for the wind,
I tried it in RS Cup > Sinuous and this one generates the effect of a  
turbine, I think. I am quite fond of the current, which through the loop  
sounds like coyotes howling at night (or other beasts making nightly  
noises). But this is a good replacement. One remark: the sound gets  
intense very quickly, even at relatively low speeds (around 100km/h). (Use  
headphones to notice that.) Do you think this is an issue? Can this be  
easily addressed, perhaps via some sox switches?


> gravel,
It is less gravely than the current one, but at the same time it is as if  
it were throwing pebbles all around (notice this especially on first  
acceleration). Also, apart the flying pebbles effect, it is less  
noticeable than the current. I'm not sure if I like this flying pebbles  
effect, especially since it can be easily mistaken for someone trying to  
short-circuit you in quick succession. :)


> collision and gear
> sounds using
Unfortunately I am not very happy with either. The current gear change  
sound is barely noticeable and does very well what is supposed to do:  
gently informs of a gear change. The replacement feels like a pounding (or  
someone shooting in a lab/isolated room, or the tire going flat) every  
time I change the gear. :) To me the gear change sound should be more clap  
like. Can we come up with something similar? Alternatively, can we lower  
the sound level of the present replacement?

The current collision sound is the one I'm most unhappy with and it's good  
that we replace it. However the replacement you propose sounds eerily  
similar to the gear change sound: are they both coming from the same  
source? And the same objection applies: it feels like a shooting or tyre  
puncturing sound, not quite like a car impact. Moreover, it's very hollow.  
Can this be addressed?

Cheers
Liviu

Hey Iwan
Moving back to the list..


On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:22:06 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:
> http://blog.lostchocolatelab.com/2012/05/racing-game-sound-study-links.html
>
Thanks for the link. I took a look at the study and it's quite interesting.


> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Liviu Andronic  
> <liv-public@...:
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:46:26 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
>> <qubodup@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>
> Thanks a lot for taking a listen of the sounds in such great depth.
>
> I can only try keeping to find an actual sound designer to help us out on
> Freesound.org, OpenGameArt.org, FreeGameDev.net and perhaps other sites.
I think that would be great.


> It
> would very much help to have Mac OS X and Windows binaries for that
> purpose, so the designers could test their works.
>
Ishmael, some time ago we entertained the possibility of generating  
Windows binaries (using MSI packaging) cross-compiled from Linux. Did you  
make any progress with that? Could you give us any pointers on how to  
approach this?


> For now I would like to suggest that I commit the sounds, which I  
> created,
> so that the licensing is taken care of. And that I add a todo text file  
> to
> the repository with your suggestions for creating better sounds. Is this  
> a
> good solution?
>
I tested the sounds a bit more and I think that the wind.wav and  
clank3.wav are fine as they are. Unless there are some improvements in the  
pipeline, feel free to commit the two. (The only slightly disturbing thing  
about clank3.wav is that the sound suggests a permanent deformation of the  
chassis, while the Trigger car is always coming out of a crash shiny and  
brand new.) And the gravel2.wav sound: it's not that bad, actually, for a  
gravelly sound. (I think I was more off-put initially since I was hoping  
for a more "sandy" replacement.) Unless there are other objections, this  
one can go in, too.

As for clank1.wav, it's not good enough (see my comments in the prev  
email).

Should you get any feedback from audio designers, I would be curious to  
check out enhanced versions of the replacement sounds.

Cheers
Liviu

On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:52:56 +0200, Ishmael Turner  
<ishmael.turner@...> wrote:
> and native OSX.
>
For info, I logged in a new port request for trigger-rally at MacPorts.  
[1] I have no idea whether this would work.

Liviu

[1] https://trac.macports.org/ticket/34646

Perhaps one should specify which version (last release or svn HEAD) we
request to be built?

Iwan

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:

> On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:52:56 +0200, Ishmael Turner
> <ishmael.turner@...> wrote:
> > and native OSX.
> >
> For info, I logged in a new port request for trigger-rally at MacPorts.
> [1] I have no idea whether this would work.
>
> Liviu
>
> [1] https://trac.macports.org/ticket/34646
>
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 10:04:15 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:

> Perhaps one should specify which version (last release or svn HEAD) we
> request to be built?
>
Good catch! Done.

Liviu

Posting back to the list.

On 28 May 2012 18:25, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...> wrote:

> Hey Ishmael
>
>
> On Mon, 28 May 2012 00:52:56 +0200, Ishmael Turner <
> ishmael.turner@...> wrote:
>
>> The problem I had was that most of the cross-compiling information I found
>> assumed Autoconf and Automake. So I faced the prospect of learning the
>> Autotools first and then learning (and possibly fixing) Autojam before I
>> could even start a build. I did an Automake based build instead, to reduce
>> the number I things I had to learn. I used a patched copy of MXE (
>> http://mxe.cc/) to build all the dependencies. I patched the audio code
>> so
>> that the Windows build would use OpenAL. The build failed on the link step
>> (some pkg-config problem), and I had to cobble together my own link call
>> to
>> GCC, but I got an executable out of it.
>>
>>  Hmm, I wasn't expecting that there would be so many complications here.
>

It took me awhile to figure out the autotools mindset mostly! And I tried
to re-invent the wheel and cross-compile the dependent libraries myself,
MXE was a big time saver, once I found it.


>
>  I tested the executable under Wine, XP, and Vista and it worked! I
>> installed manually by copying the data folder next to the executable's
>> location. I haven't worked on the MSI yet, and I may use NSIS instead.
>> Even
>> ZIP would be fine at first.
>>
>>  Yes, with proper installation instructions a ZIP would do just fine. I
> propose that we start small: come up with a working binary (which it seems
> you already did), label it 'experimental' and release it in the wild. Those
> needing Win binaries will be happy, and we waive responsibility. :)
>
>
I've given up trying to upload to SF, it's just too slow tonight. See if
you can pick it up from here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62859383/trigger.exe

Installation:
- Create C:\Program Files\Trigger Rally (or C:\Program Files (x86) on
64-bit Windows)
- Copy trigger.exe from the link above into the new folder
- Download the latest data from SF
- Unpack the data into the new folder. Do not keep the 'data' top level
folder, that is, you should have 'events', 'maps', 'textures' etc. directly
in the Trigger Rally folder.
- Optionally create a shortcut.

Then you should be able to start trigger.exe.


>  I have got a few things to do before I can release it, the main issue is
>> to
>> make the build repeatable, since it depends on my PC's setup. I have to
>> fix
>> the final linking step.
>>
> Could you send me the binaries so that I could give it a spin?
>
>
>  And, it would be good if the Automake build could
>>
>>  Do we have 'automake'? I thought we were with 'waf'? Oh, I realized that
> 'automake' is part of your personal hackings.
>

Yes that's right, I created a personal build using Autoconf and Automake.
The official build system is Autoconf and Autojam. I quite like jam as
build tool but I don't understand the Jamfiles well enough to know if any
failures in the cross-compile are bugs in Autojam or problems in our build
scripts, or the cross-compile configuration. There is a lot more
documentation for Automake so I stuck with that.


> support native Linux, mingw cross builds on Linux, and mingw builds on
>> Windows, and native OSX.
>>
>>  Yes, that would be cool. As soon as we have a recipe that I understand,
> I could take care of the packaging for future releases.
>
>
>  I had expected that I would have time for Trigger a few weeks ago but my
>> personal life intervened and realistically I doubt I'll have time over the
>> next few weeks.
>>
> Good luck with that! I'm also a bit busy myself.
>

Thanks!


> I might be able to upload my repository to Gitorous if
>> there is any interest in looking at my Autotools branch.
>>
> Yes, that would be nice, I think. Maybe Jasmine could take a look at it,
> too.
>
>
I've created a repository on Gitorious:
https://git.gitorious.org/trigger-rally-build-experiments/trigger-rally-build-experiments.git

The 'autotools' branch has my build work, there is some documentation but
it is only first draft material. I can't remember, but I hope there is
nothing embarrassing in it! The master branch is the SVN branch.

Give it a few hours before you try downloading it though. It is still
uploading as of when I sent this mail. 40 KiB/s up, can you believe.



> I'll see if I can
>> upload the executable I have from the only successful build so far to SF
>> as
>> well.
>>
>>  Along with installation instructions, that would be great.
>
> Cheers
> Liviu
>

On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:28:14 +0200, Ishmael Turner  
<ishmael.turner@...> wrote:
> It took me awhile to figure out the autotools mindset mostly! And I tried
> to re-invent the wheel and cross-compile the dependent libraries myself,
> MXE was a big time saver, once I found it.
>
Cool.


> I've given up trying to upload to SF, it's just too slow tonight. See if
> you can pick it up from here:
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62859383/trigger.exe
>
SF was more merciful with me. Now it's uploaded. I only renamed the binary  
to trigger-rally.exe.


> Installation:
> - Create C:\Program Files\Trigger Rally (or C:\Program Files (x86) on
> 64-bit Windows)
> - Copy trigger.exe from the link above into the new folder
> - Download the latest data from SF
> - Unpack the data into the new folder. Do not keep the 'data' top level
> folder, that is, you should have 'events', 'maps', 'textures' etc.  
> directly
> in the Trigger Rally folder.
> - Optionally create a shortcut.
>
> Then you should be able to start trigger.exe.
>
The instructions are also on SF in the slightly updated README.


> Yes that's right, I created a personal build using Autoconf and Automake.
> The official build system is Autoconf and Autojam. I quite like jam as
> build tool but I don't understand the Jamfiles well enough to know if any
> failures in the cross-compile are bugs in Autojam or problems in our  
> build
> scripts, or the cross-compile configuration. There is a lot more
> documentation for Automake so I stuck with that.
>


> I've created a repository on Gitorious:
> https://git.gitorious.org/trigger-rally-build-experiments/trigger-rally-build-experiments.git
>
> The 'autotools' branch has my build work, there is some documentation but
> it is only first draft material. I can't remember, but I hope there is
> nothing embarrassing in it! The master branch is the SVN branch.
>
> Give it a few hours before you try downloading it though. It is still
> uploading as of when I sent this mail. 40 KiB/s up, can you believe.
>
I can see it now. Thanks. I will take a look at it later.

Cheers
Liviu

I just saw trigger rally pop up on sourceforge.net.

We can add "Windows" to supported platforms now :)

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:

> On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:28:14 +0200, Ishmael Turner
> <ishmael.turner@...> wrote:
> > It took me awhile to figure out the autotools mindset mostly! And I tried
> > to re-invent the wheel and cross-compile the dependent libraries myself,
> > MXE was a big time saver, once I found it.
> >
> Cool.
>
>
> > I've given up trying to upload to SF, it's just too slow tonight. See if
> > you can pick it up from here:
> > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62859383/trigger.exe
> >
> SF was more merciful with me. Now it's uploaded. I only renamed the binary
> to trigger-rally.exe.
>
>
> > Installation:
> > - Create C:\Program Files\Trigger Rally (or C:\Program Files (x86) on
> > 64-bit Windows)
> > - Copy trigger.exe from the link above into the new folder
> > - Download the latest data from SF
> > - Unpack the data into the new folder. Do not keep the 'data' top level
> > folder, that is, you should have 'events', 'maps', 'textures' etc.
> > directly
> > in the Trigger Rally folder.
> > - Optionally create a shortcut.
> >
> > Then you should be able to start trigger.exe.
> >
> The instructions are also on SF in the slightly updated README.
>
>
> > Yes that's right, I created a personal build using Autoconf and Automake.
> > The official build system is Autoconf and Autojam. I quite like jam as
> > build tool but I don't understand the Jamfiles well enough to know if any
> > failures in the cross-compile are bugs in Autojam or problems in our
> > build
> > scripts, or the cross-compile configuration. There is a lot more
> > documentation for Automake so I stuck with that.
> >
>
>
> > I've created a repository on Gitorious:
> >
> https://git.gitorious.org/trigger-rally-build-experiments/trigger-rally-build-experiments.git
> >
> > The 'autotools' branch has my build work, there is some documentation but
> > it is only first draft material. I can't remember, but I hope there is
> > nothing embarrassing in it! The master branch is the SVN branch.
> >
> > Give it a few hours before you try downloading it though. It is still
> > uploading as of when I sent this mail. 40 KiB/s up, can you believe.
> >
> I can see it now. Thanks. I will take a look at it later.
>
> Cheers
> Liviu
>
>
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:36:06 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:

> I just saw trigger rally pop up on sourceforge.net.
>
Did you get a chance to test the Windows binary?


> We can add "Windows" to supported platforms now :)
>
I think only Jasmine can change that.


Liviu

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:

> On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:36:06 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...>
> wrote:
>
>  I just saw trigger rally pop up on sourceforge.net.
>>
>>  Did you get a chance to test the Windows binary?


No. No windows here. :)


>
>
>
>  We can add "Windows" to supported platforms now :)
>>
>>  I think only Jasmine can change that.
>
>
> Liviu
>



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qubodup@...
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On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:28:14 +0200, Ishmael Turner  
<ishmael.turner@...> wrote:
> I've given up trying to upload to SF, it's just too slow tonight. See if
> you can pick it up from here:
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/62859383/trigger.exe
>
I've just tested the binary under Wine and it worked just fine. I was only  
amused to see that version string was '0.6.1'.

Cheers
Liviu

I committed all sounds except clank1.wav and added credits/legal info.

I asked for support on replacing the last remaining sound on freesound [1]
and opengameart [2].

[1] http://www.freesound.org/forum/sample-requests/32626/
[2] http://opengameart.org/forumtopic/car-gear-shift-sound

Thanks for reviewing and putting up with my amateur sound skills. ;)

Cheers

Iwan

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:

> Hey Iwan
> Moving back to the list..
>
>
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:22:06 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...>
> wrote:
>
>> http://blog.lostchocolatelab.**com/2012/05/racing-game-sound-**
>> study-links.html<http://blog.lostchocolatelab.com/2012/05/racing-game-sound-study-links.html>
>>
>>  Thanks for the link. I took a look at the study and it's quite
> interesting.
>
>
>  On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...
>> >wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:46:26 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>> qubodup@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks a lot for taking a listen of the sounds in such great depth.
>>
>> I can only try keeping to find an actual sound designer to help us out on
>> Freesound.org, OpenGameArt.org, FreeGameDev.net and perhaps other sites.
>>
> I think that would be great.
>
>
>
>  It
>> would very much help to have Mac OS X and Windows binaries for that
>> purpose, so the designers could test their works.
>>
>>  Ishmael, some time ago we entertained the possibility of generating
> Windows binaries (using MSI packaging) cross-compiled from Linux. Did you
> make any progress with that? Could you give us any pointers on how to
> approach this?
>
>
>
>  For now I would like to suggest that I commit the sounds, which I created,
>> so that the licensing is taken care of. And that I add a todo text file to
>> the repository with your suggestions for creating better sounds. Is this a
>> good solution?
>>
>>  I tested the sounds a bit more and I think that the wind.wav and
> clank3.wav are fine as they are. Unless there are some improvements in the
> pipeline, feel free to commit the two. (The only slightly disturbing thing
> about clank3.wav is that the sound suggests a permanent deformation of the
> chassis, while the Trigger car is always coming out of a crash shiny and
> brand new.) And the gravel2.wav sound: it's not that bad, actually, for a
> gravelly sound. (I think I was more off-put initially since I was hoping
> for a more "sandy" replacement.) Unless there are other objections, this
> one can go in, too.
>
> As for clank1.wav, it's not good enough (see my comments in the prev
> email).
>
> Should you get any feedback from audio designers, I would be curious to
> check out enhanced versions of the replacement sounds.
>
> Cheers
> Liviu
>



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I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work out) and
the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound [2]
(might be worth a listen).

[1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
[2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ

Let me know if either is good.

Cheers
Iwan

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...:

> I committed all sounds except clank1.wav and added credits/legal info.
>
> I asked for support on replacing the last remaining sound on freesound [1]
> and opengameart [2].
>
> [1] http://www.freesound.org/forum/sample-requests/32626/
> [2] http://opengameart.org/forumtopic/car-gear-shift-sound
>
> Thanks for reviewing and putting up with my amateur sound skills. ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Iwan
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:
>
>> Hey Iwan
>> Moving back to the list..
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:22:06 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>> qubodup@...> wrote:
>>
>>> http://blog.lostchocolatelab.**com/2012/05/racing-game-sound-**
>>> study-links.html<http://blog.lostchocolatelab.com/2012/05/racing-game-sound-study-links.html>
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the link. I took a look at the study and it's quite
>> interesting.
>>
>>
>>  On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:46:26 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>>> qubodup@...>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thanks a lot for taking a listen of the sounds in such great depth.
>>>
>>> I can only try keeping to find an actual sound designer to help us out on
>>> Freesound.org, OpenGameArt.org, FreeGameDev.net and perhaps other sites.
>>>
>> I think that would be great.
>>
>>
>>
>>  It
>>> would very much help to have Mac OS X and Windows binaries for that
>>> purpose, so the designers could test their works.
>>>
>>>  Ishmael, some time ago we entertained the possibility of generating
>> Windows binaries (using MSI packaging) cross-compiled from Linux. Did you
>> make any progress with that? Could you give us any pointers on how to
>> approach this?
>>
>>
>>
>>  For now I would like to suggest that I commit the sounds, which I
>>> created,
>>> so that the licensing is taken care of. And that I add a todo text file
>>> to
>>> the repository with your suggestions for creating better sounds. Is this
>>> a
>>> good solution?
>>>
>>>  I tested the sounds a bit more and I think that the wind.wav and
>> clank3.wav are fine as they are. Unless there are some improvements in the
>> pipeline, feel free to commit the two. (The only slightly disturbing thing
>> about clank3.wav is that the sound suggests a permanent deformation of the
>> chassis, while the Trigger car is always coming out of a crash shiny and
>> brand new.) And the gravel2.wav sound: it's not that bad, actually, for a
>> gravelly sound. (I think I was more off-put initially since I was hoping
>> for a more "sandy" replacement.) Unless there are other objections, this
>> one can go in, too.
>>
>> As for clank1.wav, it's not good enough (see my comments in the prev
>> email).
>>
>> Should you get any feedback from audio designers, I would be curious to
>> check out enhanced versions of the replacement sounds.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Liviu
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Iwan Gabovitch
> qubodup@...
> qubodup.net
>
>


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I realized that one of the trouble I was having when replacing the sound
was that its volume was reduced in the game code.

So I would like to suggest a new replacement for clank1.wav (gear shift
sound) [1], which is based on a door sound [2]. I tested and recorded it
in-game [3] after changing the volume of the sound software-side. See below
for the one-liner code change.

[1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ
[2] http://www.freesound.org/people/Tomlija/sounds/110104/
[3] http://youtu.be/8h0il196I1M

Code change:

$ svn diff ../src/trigger/main.cpp
Index: ../src/trigger/main.cpp
===================================================================
--- ../src/trigger/main.cpp (revision 79)
+++ ../src/trigger/main.cpp (working copy)
@@ -946,7 +946,7 @@
     if (vehic->getFlagGearChange()) {
       audinst.push_back(new PAudioInstance(aud_gearchange));
       audinst.back()->setPitch(1.0f + randm11*0.02f);
-      audinst.back()->setGain(0.4f);
+      audinst.back()->setGain(0.8f);
       audinst.back()->play();
     }


Cheers

Iwan

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...:

> I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work out) and
> the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound [2]
> (might be worth a listen).
>
> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
> [2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ
>
> Let me know if either is good.
>
> Cheers
> Iwan
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...:
>
>> I committed all sounds except clank1.wav and added credits/legal info.
>>
>> I asked for support on replacing the last remaining sound on freesound
>> [1] and opengameart [2].
>>
>> [1] http://www.freesound.org/forum/sample-requests/32626/
>> [2] http://opengameart.org/forumtopic/car-gear-shift-sound
>>
>> Thanks for reviewing and putting up with my amateur sound skills. ;)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Iwan
>>
>> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:
>>
>>> Hey Iwan
>>> Moving back to the list..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:22:06 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>> qubodup@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://blog.lostchocolatelab.**com/2012/05/racing-game-sound-**
>>>> study-links.html<http://blog.lostchocolatelab.com/2012/05/racing-game-sound-study-links.html>
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks for the link. I took a look at the study and it's quite
>>> interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:46:26 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>>>> qubodup@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot for taking a listen of the sounds in such great depth.
>>>>
>>>> I can only try keeping to find an actual sound designer to help us out
>>>> on
>>>> Freesound.org, OpenGameArt.org, FreeGameDev.net and perhaps other sites.
>>>>
>>> I think that would be great.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  It
>>>> would very much help to have Mac OS X and Windows binaries for that
>>>> purpose, so the designers could test their works.
>>>>
>>>>  Ishmael, some time ago we entertained the possibility of generating
>>> Windows binaries (using MSI packaging) cross-compiled from Linux. Did you
>>> make any progress with that? Could you give us any pointers on how to
>>> approach this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  For now I would like to suggest that I commit the sounds, which I
>>>> created,
>>>> so that the licensing is taken care of. And that I add a todo text file
>>>> to
>>>> the repository with your suggestions for creating better sounds. Is
>>>> this a
>>>> good solution?
>>>>
>>>>  I tested the sounds a bit more and I think that the wind.wav and
>>> clank3.wav are fine as they are. Unless there are some improvements in the
>>> pipeline, feel free to commit the two. (The only slightly disturbing thing
>>> about clank3.wav is that the sound suggests a permanent deformation of the
>>> chassis, while the Trigger car is always coming out of a crash shiny and
>>> brand new.) And the gravel2.wav sound: it's not that bad, actually, for a
>>> gravelly sound. (I think I was more off-put initially since I was hoping
>>> for a more "sandy" replacement.) Unless there are other objections, this
>>> one can go in, too.
>>>
>>> As for clank1.wav, it's not good enough (see my comments in the prev
>>> email).
>>>
>>> Should you get any feedback from audio designers, I would be curious to
>>> check out enhanced versions of the replacement sounds.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Liviu
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Iwan Gabovitch
>> qubodup@...
>> qubodup.net
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Iwan Gabovitch
> qubodup@...
> qubodup.net
>
>


-- 
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qubodup@...
qubodup.net

Hello Iwan


On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:

> I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work out)  
> and
> the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound [2]
> (might be worth a listen).
>
> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
>
I tested the above in-game and this one might be good enough for our  
purposes. Could we make the sound less loud (and distracting)?



> [2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ
>
> Let me know if either is good.
>


On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 03:37:29 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:

> I realized that one of the trouble I was having when replacing the sound
> was that its volume was reduced in the game code.
>
> So I would like to suggest a new replacement for clank1.wav (gear shift
> sound) [1], which is based on a door sound [2]. I tested and recorded it
> in-game [3] after changing the volume of the sound software-side. See  
> below
> for the one-liner code change.
>
> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ
>
I tried this version of [2] above, with the one-liner patch, but I'm still  
unhappy with this version. I couldn't spot any noticeable difference to  
the initial sound you sent us.

Regards
Liviu

Hi all,

I linked the same sound twice in one of my previous messages. I confused
myself quite a bit.

My current preferred sound is http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ , without applying
the previously mentioned patch/change (otherwise it's too loud). I don't
like the sounds I linked before by comparison.

The sound on Freesound:
http://www.freesound.org/people/qubodup/sounds/157451/

Cheers

Iwan

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:

> Hello Iwan
>
>
>
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...>
> wrote:
>
>  I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work out) and
>> the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound [2]
>> (might be worth a listen).
>>
>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
>>
>>  I tested the above in-game and this one might be good enough for our
> purposes. Could we make the sound less loud (and distracting)?
>
>
>
>
>  [2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ
>>
>> Let me know if either is good.
>>
>>
>
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 03:37:29 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...>
> wrote:
>
>  I realized that one of the trouble I was having when replacing the sound
>> was that its volume was reduced in the game code.
>>
>> So I would like to suggest a new replacement for clank1.wav (gear shift
>> sound) [1], which is based on a door sound [2]. I tested and recorded it
>> in-game [3] after changing the volume of the sound software-side. See
>> below
>> for the one-liner code change.
>>
>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ
>>
>>  I tried this version of [2] above, with the one-liner patch, but I'm
> still unhappy with this version. I couldn't spot any noticeable difference
> to the initial sound you sent us.
>
> Regards
> Liviu
>



-- 
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qubodup@...
qubodup.net

For clarification: http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ is my latest suggestion to
replace data/sounds/evo_sound/clank1.wav.

All of you can download the sound and overwrite the existing clank1.wav to
test it in-game to let us know whether it is an appropriate replacement. If
you have any taste in sound, please give it a listen. :)

This is the last sound of unknown source and when we find a replacement for
it, there will only be the car textures and menu backgrounds left to be
replaced for license/trademark reasons.

Cheers
Iwan

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...:

> Hi all,
>
> I linked the same sound twice in one of my previous messages. I confused
> myself quite a bit.
>
> My current preferred sound is http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ , without
> applying the previously mentioned patch/change (otherwise it's too loud). I
> don't like the sounds I linked before by comparison.
>
> The sound on Freesound:
> http://www.freesound.org/people/qubodup/sounds/157451/
>
> Cheers
>
> Iwan
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:
>
>> Hello Iwan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>> qubodup@...> wrote:
>>
>>  I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work out)
>>> and
>>> the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound [2]
>>> (might be worth a listen).
>>>
>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
>>>
>>>  I tested the above in-game and this one might be good enough for our
>> purposes. Could we make the sound less loud (and distracting)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  [2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ
>>>
>>> Let me know if either is good.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 03:37:29 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>> qubodup@...> wrote:
>>
>>  I realized that one of the trouble I was having when replacing the sound
>>> was that its volume was reduced in the game code.
>>>
>>> So I would like to suggest a new replacement for clank1.wav (gear shift
>>> sound) [1], which is based on a door sound [2]. I tested and recorded it
>>> in-game [3] after changing the volume of the sound software-side. See
>>> below
>>> for the one-liner code change.
>>>
>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ
>>>
>>>  I tried this version of [2] above, with the one-liner patch, but I'm
>> still unhappy with this version. I couldn't spot any noticeable difference
>> to the initial sound you sent us.
>>
>> Regards
>> Liviu
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Iwan Gabovitch
> qubodup@...
> qubodup.net
>
>


-- 
Iwan Gabovitch
qubodup@...
qubodup.net

Hello Iwan
I will take a look at this by next weekend.

Liviu

PS I was curious if you had plans for coming up with some additional  
tracks. I'm quite fond of your last two (Lab Rally and Smallswirl) and I  
think that several similar additions would be just great!

PPS I am starting to think that we have enough changes for a new release  
(a couple of tracks; texture, font and sound changes), namely 0.6.1. Is  
there anything in specific that should get fixed before that (apart the  
remaining sounds)? Comments?


On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:09:13 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I linked the same sound twice in one of my previous messages. I confused
> myself quite a bit.
>
> My current preferred sound is http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ , without  
> applying
> the previously mentioned patch/change (otherwise it's too loud). I don't
> like the sounds I linked before by comparison.
>
> The sound on Freesound:
> http://www.freesound.org/people/qubodup/sounds/157451/
>
> Cheers
>
> Iwan
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Liviu Andronic  
> <liv-public@...:
>
>> Hello Iwan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
>> <qubodup@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work out)  
>> and
>>> the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound  
>>> [2]
>>> (might be worth a listen).
>>>
>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
>>>
>>>  I tested the above in-game and this one might be good enough for our
>> purposes. Could we make the sound less loud (and distracting)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  [2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ
>>>
>>> Let me know if either is good.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 03:37:29 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
>> <qubodup@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I realized that one of the trouble I was having when replacing the  
>> sound
>>> was that its volume was reduced in the game code.
>>>
>>> So I would like to suggest a new replacement for clank1.wav (gear shift
>>> sound) [1], which is based on a door sound [2]. I tested and recorded  
>>> it
>>> in-game [3] after changing the volume of the sound software-side. See
>>> below
>>> for the one-liner code change.
>>>
>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ
>>>
>>>  I tried this version of [2] above, with the one-liner patch, but I'm
>> still unhappy with this version. I couldn't spot any noticeable  
>> difference
>> to the initial sound you sent us.
>>
>> Regards
>> Liviu
>>
>
>
>


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Hello Liviu,

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:
>
> PS I was curious if you had plans for coming up with some additional
> tracks. I'm quite fond of your last two (Lab Rally and Smallswirl) and I
> think that several similar additions would be just great!
>

Not really. I was working on "Neufahrland" (work in progress).
zip: https://www.box.com/s/00626642c05e7326f97b
video: http://youtu.be/WSmYI7Ej170

But I don't have the hang out of making large maps.

By the way: if somebody likes designing maps but dislikes creating the
data/description files, I'd gladly collaborate.

PPS I am starting to think that we have enough changes for a new release (a
> couple of tracks; texture, font and sound changes), namely 0.6.1. Is there
> anything in specific that should get fixed before that (apart the remaining
> sounds)? Comments?


I approve of RERO (release early, release often). If we can find a way to
build on Mac OS X for the 0.6.1 release, that would be great too.

After sounds have been decided on, we need to discuss the replacement of
car textures. A release now would allow artists to test .obj files easier.

Alternatively we could agree to use farrer's textures [1] for now and I
could, based on these textures, make renders to replace the menu
backgrounds and icon and then we would have resolved all license/trademark
complications before the next release.

[1] http://opengameart.org/content/simple-car-textures

Cheers,
Iwan

On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:09:13 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>>
>> I linked the same sound twice in one of my previous messages. I confused
>> myself quite a bit.
>>
>> My current preferred sound is http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ , without
>> applying
>> the previously mentioned patch/change (otherwise it's too loud). I don't
>> like the sounds I linked before by comparison.
>>
>> The sound on Freesound:
>> http://www.freesound.org/**people/qubodup/sounds/157451/<http://www.freesound.org/people/qubodup/sounds/157451/>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Iwan
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Hello Iwan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>> qubodup@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work out)
>>> and
>>>
>>>> the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound
>>>> [2]
>>>> (might be worth a listen).
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
>>>>
>>>>  I tested the above in-game and this one might be good enough for our
>>>>
>>> purposes. Could we make the sound less loud (and distracting)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  [2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if either is good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 03:37:29 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>> qubodup@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I realized that one of the trouble I was having when replacing the sound
>>>
>>>> was that its volume was reduced in the game code.
>>>>
>>>> So I would like to suggest a new replacement for clank1.wav (gear shift
>>>> sound) [1], which is based on a door sound [2]. I tested and recorded it
>>>> in-game [3] after changing the volume of the sound software-side. See
>>>> below
>>>> for the one-liner code change.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ
>>>>
>>>>  I tried this version of [2] above, with the one-liner patch, but I'm
>>>>
>>> still unhappy with this version. I couldn't spot any noticeable
>>> difference
>>> to the initial sound you sent us.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Liviu
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>

This is a reminder to test the last remaining sound replacement.

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...> wrote:

> This is a reminder to test the last remaining sound replacement.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...:
>
>> Hello Liviu,
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:
>>>
>>> PS I was curious if you had plans for coming up with some additional
>>> tracks. I'm quite fond of your last two (Lab Rally and Smallswirl) and I
>>> think that several similar additions would be just great!
>>>
>>
>> Not really. I was working on "Neufahrland" (work in progress).
>> zip: https://www.box.com/s/00626642c05e7326f97b
>>  video: http://youtu.be/WSmYI7Ej170
>>
>> But I don't have the hang out of making large maps.
>>
>> By the way: if somebody likes designing maps but dislikes creating the
>> data/description files, I'd gladly collaborate.
>>
>> PPS I am starting to think that we have enough changes for a new release
>>> (a couple of tracks; texture, font and sound changes), namely 0.6.1. Is
>>> there anything in specific that should get fixed before that (apart the
>>> remaining sounds)? Comments?
>>
>>
>> I approve of RERO (release early, release often). If we can find a way to
>> build on Mac OS X for the 0.6.1 release, that would be great too.
>>
>> After sounds have been decided on, we need to discuss the replacement of
>> car textures. A release now would allow artists to test .obj files easier.
>>
>> Alternatively we could agree to use farrer's textures [1] for now and I
>> could, based on these textures, make renders to replace the menu
>> backgrounds and icon and then we would have resolved all license/trademark
>> complications before the next release.
>>
>> [1] http://opengameart.org/content/simple-car-textures
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Iwan
>>
>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:09:13 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>> qubodup@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I linked the same sound twice in one of my previous messages. I confused
>>>> myself quite a bit.
>>>>
>>>> My current preferred sound is http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ , without
>>>> applying
>>>> the previously mentioned patch/change (otherwise it's too loud). I don't
>>>> like the sounds I linked before by comparison.
>>>>
>>>> The sound on Freesound:
>>>> http://www.freesound.org/**people/qubodup/sounds/157451/<http://www.freesound.org/people/qubodup/sounds/157451/>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Iwan
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hello Iwan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:18:43 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>>>> qubodup@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I got a sound extraction suggestion [1] (I'd say that didn't work
>>>>> out) and
>>>>>
>>>>>> the suggestion to try PSIndustrializer or generate a gear shift sound
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> (might be worth a listen).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I tested the above in-game and this one might be good enough for our
>>>>>>
>>>>> purposes. Could we make the sound less loud (and distracting)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  [2] http://ompldr.org/vZTQyMQ
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me know if either is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 03:37:29 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <
>>>>> qubodup@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I realized that one of the trouble I was having when replacing the
>>>>> sound
>>>>>
>>>>>> was that its volume was reduced in the game code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I would like to suggest a new replacement for clank1.wav (gear
>>>>>> shift
>>>>>> sound) [1], which is based on a door sound [2]. I tested and recorded
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> in-game [3] after changing the volume of the sound software-side. See
>>>>>> below
>>>>>> for the one-liner code change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I tried this version of [2] above, with the one-liner patch, but I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>> still unhappy with this version. I couldn't spot any noticeable
>>>>> difference
>>>>> to the initial sound you sent us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Liviu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>
>

On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:09:13 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:
> My current preferred sound is http://ompldr.org/vZTQ5dQ , without  
> applying
> the previously mentioned patch/change (otherwise it's too loud). I don't
> like the sounds I linked before by comparison.
>
I tested this sound without the patch and I'm not convinced. The sound  
reminds me of something "clapping" (should this be the right word for what  
I perceive) and doesn't resemble at all a gear-shift sound. It is also too  
intrusive. In this sense the current sound in SVN is superior.

Although initially I liked it fine, I'm no longer convinced by
[1] http://ompldr.org/vZTQxMQ

either. There is a noticeable lag (although it can be worked around).

A trimmed version of this still comes closest to a replacement. I think  
I'm quite happy with the following [2]
[2] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=09948828625619234047

coupled with this patch:
Index: src/trigger/main.cpp
===================================================================
--- src/trigger/main.cpp	(revision 79)
+++ src/trigger/main.cpp	(working copy)
@@ -946,7 +946,7 @@
      if (vehic->getFlagGearChange()) {
        audinst.push_back(new PAudioInstance(aud_gearchange));
        audinst.back()->setPitch(1.0f + randm11*0.02f);
-      audinst.back()->setGain(0.4f);
+      audinst.back()->setGain(0.25f);
        audinst.back()->play();
      }

Do we have a winner? (In the patch above, I'm hesitating between 0.25 and  
0.3; below is too unnoticeable and above is too intrusive.)

Regards
Liviu

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:
>
> A trimmed version of this still comes closest to a replacement. I think
> I'm quite happy with the following [2]
> [2] http://s000.tinyupload.com/**index.php?file_id=**09948828625619234047<http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=09948828625619234047>
>
> coupled with this patch:
> Index: src/trigger/main.cpp
> ==============================**==============================**=======
> --- src/trigger/main.cpp        (revision 79)
> +++ src/trigger/main.cpp        (working copy)
>
> @@ -946,7 +946,7 @@
>      if (vehic->getFlagGearChange()) {
>        audinst.push_back(new PAudioInstance(aud_gearchange)**);
>        audinst.back()->setPitch(1.0f + randm11*0.02f);
> -      audinst.back()->setGain(0.4f);
> +      audinst.back()->setGain(0.25f)**;
>        audinst.back()->play();
>      }
>
> Do we have a winner? (In the patch above, I'm hesitating between 0.25 and
> 0.3; below is too unnoticeable and above is too intrusive.)
>

We have a winner, thanks for creating this. I committed your sound edit
together with a 0.3 volume value (I can hardly hear it over the motor) and
updated the license info.

Cheers,
Iwan

Regards
> Liviu
>

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:51:03 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...>  
wrote:
> We have a winner, thanks for creating this. I committed your sound edit
> together with a 0.3 volume value (I can hardly hear it over the motor)  
> and
> updated the license info.
>
Sounds great, thanks. I was also leaning towards 0.3.

Liviu

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:11:16 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch  
<qubodup@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Liviu Andronic  
> <liv-public@...:
>>
> PPS I am starting to think that we have enough changes for a new release  
> (a
>> couple of tracks; texture, font and sound changes), namely 0.6.1. Is  
>> there
>> anything in specific that should get fixed before that (apart the  
>> remaining
>> sounds)? Comments?
>
> I approve of RERO (release early, release often). If we can find a way to
> build on Mac OS X for the 0.6.1 release, that would be great too.
>
I have no experience with building on Mac OS X, so I guess will have to  
leave it out for now. If anyone knows how to do this, please let us know.


> After sounds have been decided on, we need to discuss the replacement of
> car textures. A release now would allow artists to test .obj files  
> easier.
>
I prefer this, too. Let's fix some outstanding bugs (what's your  
favourite?) and start preparing a release in the not so distant future  
(say, August).


> Alternatively we could agree to use farrer's textures [1] for now and I
> could, based on these textures, make renders to replace the menu
> backgrounds and icon and then we would have resolved all  
> license/trademark
> complications before the next release.
>
> [1] http://opengameart.org/content/simple-car-textures
>
I haven't tested the new textures in-game, but from the screenshots I  
wasn't very impressed. To rephrase, I quite like our current textures. So  
let us do a release with the new .obj support and we'll see artists come  
up with.

Regards
Liviu

Hi,

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv-public@...:

>
> Alternatively we could agree to use farrer's textures [1] for now and I
>
>>
>> [1] http://opengameart.org/**content/simple-car-textures<http://opengameart.org/content/simple-car-textures>
>>
>>  I haven't tested the new textures in-game, but from the screenshots I
> wasn't very impressed. To rephrase, I quite like our current textures. So
> let us do a release with the new .obj support and we'll see artists come up
> with.
>

If I'm not mistaken, having only freely licensed art has been confirmed as
a goal in a feature request [1]. What has a higher priority though, having
good-looking car textures or having freely (GPL-compatible) licensed
textures? I for one would prefer Trigger to use no (white) textures over
the current (WRC, non-free) ones.

[1]
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3468803&group_id=157028&atid=802155

I have been working on replacement textures and sharing the results on OGA
[2].

[2]
http://opengameart.org/forumtopic/lowpoly-car-uv-texture-skins-for-trigger-rally-linux-windows

Here are a few previews:
http://i.imgur.com/sCmLj.jpg
http://ompldr.org/vZXF4bw
http://i.imgur.com/uP8Xy.jpg

Cheers,
Iwan

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:58:58 +0200, Iwan Gabovitch <qubodup@...>  
wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken, having only freely licensed art has been confirmed  
> as
> a goal in a feature request [1]. What has a higher priority though,  
> having
> good-looking car textures or having freely (GPL-compatible) licensed
> textures? I for one would prefer Trigger to use no (white) textures over
> the current (WRC, non-free) ones.
>
I propose that we not rush this change in: Let's release when it's ready  
and when we're happy with the replacements. I guess we can make car  
texture replacements a goal of 0.6.2. Thus 0.6.1 will allow artists to  
come up with proposals using the new .obj support.


> [1]
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3468803&group_id=157028&atid=802155
>
> I have been working on replacement textures and sharing the results on  
> OGA
> [2].
>
> [2]
> http://opengameart.org/forumtopic/lowpoly-car-uv-texture-skins-for-trigger-rally-linux-windows
>
The discussion is very long. I'll take a look at it in the coming days.

Cheers
Liviu


> Here are a few previews:
> http://i.imgur.com/sCmLj.jpg
> http://ompldr.org/vZXF4bw
> http://i.imgur.com/uP8Xy.jpg
>