Inkscape

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM, John Smith wrote:
> Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>
>
> 1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>
> This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG
> http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>
>
> 2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>
> Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>
>
> 3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI
> "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>
> View->Grid
> View->Snap
> View->Commands Bar
> View->Toolbox
> View->Rulers
> View->Scrollbars
> View->Palette
> View->Status Bar ... etc
>
>
> Window->Icon Preview
> Window->Input Devices
> Window->Memory
> Window->Messages
> Window->Swatches
> Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>
>
> 4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"

Personally I never understood why we splitted it before.

+1 on all points.

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org

All sound good to me :)

AV

On 9 May 2012 15:58, Alexandre Prokoudine
<alexandre.prokoudine@...> wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:34 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>>
>>
>> 1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>>
>> This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG
>> http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>>
>>
>> 2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>>
>> Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>>
>>
>> 3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI
>> "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>>
>> View->Grid
>> View->Snap
>> View->Commands Bar
>> View->Toolbox
>> View->Rulers
>> View->Scrollbars
>> View->Palette
>> View->Status Bar ... etc
>>
>>
>> Window->Icon Preview
>> Window->Input Devices
>> Window->Memory
>> Window->Messages
>> Window->Swatches
>> Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>>
>>
>> 4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
>
> Personally I never understood why we splitted it before.
>
> +1 on all points.
>
> Alexandre Prokoudine
> http://libregraphicsworld.org
>
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> On 9 May 2012 15:58, Alexandre Prokoudine
> <alexandre.prokoudine@...> wrote:
>>
>> Personally I never understood why we splitted it before.
>>
>> +1 on all points.
>>

Same for me. +1 on all points.

About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change
to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of
doing it.

GNOME: Edit -> Preferences (yes, the ellipsis really isn't there)
KDE: Settings -> Configure Inkscape...
OS X: Inkscape -> Preferences..., or something like that, I think?
Windows: Tools -> Options...

As it stands, we don't have "Settings" or "Tools" menus. I don't think we
have any especial use for either either.

On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration
in the Edit menu. There, I think "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." is a
slightly better position.

On KDE? I don't know.

I'm not sure how Inkscape appears on OS X. Does this need fixing? Can it
be? (Is it still being run in X11?)

So, I suggest that moving File -> Inkscape Preferences... to Edit ->
Preferences only be done in a GNOME environment or only on Linux. (Having
it in different places in different desktop environments is common practice
in other programs, e.g. Firefox.)

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...:

>  Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>
>
> 1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>
> This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG
> http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>
>
> 2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>
> Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>
>
> 3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI
> "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>
> View->Grid
> View->Snap
> View->Commands Bar
> View->Toolbox
> View->Rulers
> View->Scrollbars
> View->Palette
> View->Status Bar ... etc
>
>
> Window->Icon Preview
> Window->Input Devices
> Window->Memory
> Window->Messages
> Window->Swatches
> Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>
>
> 4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
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>
>

I wouldnt mess with the preferences location, you invalidate every
helpful historical thing thats out there in google the minute you move
it.
Not sure I care either way about the others.

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Chris Morgan
<chris.morganiser@...> wrote:
> About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change
> to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of
> doing it.
>
> GNOME: Edit -> Preferences (yes, the ellipsis really isn't there)
> KDE: Settings -> Configure Inkscape...
> OS X: Inkscape -> Preferences..., or something like that, I think?
> Windows: Tools -> Options...
>
> As it stands, we don't have "Settings" or "Tools" menus. I don't think we
> have any especial use for either either.
>
> On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration
> in the Edit menu. There, I think "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." is a
> slightly better position.
>
> On KDE? I don't know.
>
> I'm not sure how Inkscape appears on OS X. Does this need fixing? Can it be?
> (Is it still being run in X11?)
>
> So, I suggest that moving File -> Inkscape Preferences... to Edit ->
> Preferences only be done in a GNOME environment or only on Linux. (Having it
> in different places in different desktop environments is common practice in
> other programs, e.g. Firefox.)
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>>
>>
>> 1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>>
>> This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG
>> http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>>
>>
>> 2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>>
>> Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>>
>>
>> 3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI
>> "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>>
>> View->Grid
>> View->Snap
>> View->Commands Bar
>> View->Toolbox
>> View->Rulers
>> View->Scrollbars
>> View->Palette
>> View->Status Bar ... etc
>>
>>
>> Window->Icon Preview
>> Window->Input Devices
>> Window->Memory
>> Window->Messages
>> Window->Swatches
>> Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>>
>>
>> 4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
>> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
>> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>>
>
>
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>

If I quickly may chime in with something vaguely related: the document vs. inkscape preferences buttons in the toolbar have always seemed awkwardly ordered to me. Can we swap them, so that the document properties button is the first of the two (left-most), and the inkscape preferences last?

Have nothing against all the proposed menu changes, except relocating "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." maybe.

Ciao,
  Johan


---- John Cliff <john.cliff@...> wrote: 
> I wouldnt mess with the preferences location, you invalidate every
> helpful historical thing thats out there in google the minute you move
> it.
> Not sure I care either way about the others.
> 
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Chris Morgan
> <chris.morganiser@...> wrote:
> > About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change
> > to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of
> > doing it.
> >
> > GNOME: Edit -> Preferences (yes, the ellipsis really isn't there)
> > KDE: Settings -> Configure Inkscape...
> > OS X: Inkscape -> Preferences..., or something like that, I think?
> > Windows: Tools -> Options...
> >
> > As it stands, we don't have "Settings" or "Tools" menus. I don't think we
> > have any especial use for either either.
> >
> > On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration
> > in the Edit menu. There, I think "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." is a
> > slightly better position.
> >
> > On KDE? I don't know.
> >
> > I'm not sure how Inkscape appears on OS X. Does this need fixing? Can it be?
> > (Is it still being run in X11?)
> >
> > So, I suggest that moving File -> Inkscape Preferences... to Edit ->
> > Preferences only be done in a GNOME environment or only on Linux. (Having it
> > in different places in different desktop environments is common practice in
> > other programs, e.g. Firefox.)
> >
> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
> >>
> >> This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG
> >> http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
> >>
> >>
> >> 2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
> >>
> >> Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
> >>
> >>
> >> 3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI
> >> "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
> >>
> >> View->Grid
> >> View->Snap
> >> View->Commands Bar
> >> View->Toolbox
> >> View->Rulers
> >> View->Scrollbars
> >> View->Palette
> >> View->Status Bar ... etc
> >>
> >>
> >> Window->Icon Preview
> >> Window->Input Devices
> >> Window->Memory
> >> Window->Messages
> >> Window->Swatches
> >> Window->Show/Hide dialogs
> >>
> >>
> >> 4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Live Security Virtual Conference
> >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
> >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
> >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
> >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Inkscape-devel mailing list
> >> Inkscape-devel@...
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >>
> >
> >
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> > Inkscape-devel@...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
> >
> 
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On 10 May 2012 01:05, Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser@...> wrote:
> About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change
> to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of
> doing it.

Not really. See below.

> Windows: Tools -> Options...
> On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration
> in the Edit menu.

They better get used to it, since, among others, InDesign, Photoshop,
Illustrator, Adobe Reader, FileZilla have it there.

Cheers,
JFL
-- 
Jean-François Lemaire

If I remember well Edit/Preferences was a standard on most graphics programs I used on Windows and only a few ones used Tools/Options instead. It's the same on KDE.

ivan



________________________________
 De : Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser@...>
À : John Smith <john.smith7545@...> 
Cc : "inkscape-devel@..." <inkscape-devel@...> 
Envoyé le : Jeudi 10 mai 2012 1h05
Objet : Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: Menu refresh
 

About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of doing it.

GNOME: Edit -> Preferences (yes, the ellipsis really isn't there)
KDE: Settings -> Configure Inkscape...
OS X: Inkscape -> Preferences..., or something like that, I think?
Windows: Tools -> Options...

As it stands, we don't have "Settings" or "Tools" menus. I don't think we have any especial use for either either.

On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration in the Edit menu. There, I think "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." is a slightly better position.

On KDE? I don't know.

I'm not sure how Inkscape appears on OS X. Does this need fixing? Can it be? (Is it still being run in X11?)

So, I suggest that moving File -> Inkscape Preferences... to Edit -> Preferences only be done in a GNOME environment or only on Linux. (Having it in different places in different desktop environments is common practice in other programs, e.g. Firefox.)


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...> wrote:

Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>
>
>
>
>1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>
>
>This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>
>
>
>
>2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>
>
>Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>
>
>3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>
>View->Grid
>View->Snap
>
>View->Commands Bar
>
>View->Toolbox
>View->Rulers
>View->Scrollbars
>View->Palette
>View->Status Bar ... etc 
>
>
>Window->Icon Preview
>Window->Input Devices 
>
>Window->Memory 
>Window->Messages
>Window->Swatches
>Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>
>
>
>4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
>
>
>
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I thought so too... I really don't see too much harm. This is the cycle to
invalidate previous documentation imho.

Cheers,
Josh
On May 10, 2012 1:28 AM, "Ivan Louette" <ivan_louette@...> wrote:

> If I remember well Edit/Preferences was a standard on most graphics
> programs I used on Windows and only a few ones used Tools/Options instead.
> It's the same on KDE.
>
> ivan
>
>   ------------------------------
> *De :* Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser@...>
> *À :* John Smith <john.smith7545@...>
> *Cc :* "inkscape-devel@..." <
> inkscape-devel@...>
> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 10 mai 2012 1h05
> *Objet :* Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: Menu refresh
>
> About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change
> to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of
> doing it.
>
> GNOME: Edit -> Preferences (yes, the ellipsis really isn't there)
> KDE: Settings -> Configure Inkscape...
> OS X: Inkscape -> Preferences..., or something like that, I think?
> Windows: Tools -> Options...
>
> As it stands, we don't have "Settings" or "Tools" menus. I don't think we
> have any especial use for either either.
>
> On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration
> in the Edit menu. There, I think "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." is a
> slightly better position.
>
> On KDE? I don't know.
>
> I'm not sure how Inkscape appears on OS X. Does this need fixing? Can it
> be? (Is it still being run in X11?)
>
> So, I suggest that moving File -> Inkscape Preferences... to Edit ->
> Preferences only be done in a GNOME environment or only on Linux. (Having
> it in different places in different desktop environments is common practice
> in other programs, e.g. Firefox.)
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...:
>
>  Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>
>
> 1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>
> This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG
> http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>
>
> 2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>
> Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>
>
> 3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI
> "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>
> View->Grid
> View->Snap
> View->Commands Bar
> View->Toolbox
> View->Rulers
> View->Scrollbars
> View->Palette
> View->Status Bar ... etc
>
>
> Window->Icon Preview
> Window->Input Devices
> Window->Memory
> Window->Messages
> Window->Swatches
> Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>
>
> 4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Live Security Virtual Conference
> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
> _______________________________________________
> Inkscape-devel mailing list
> Inkscape-devel@...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and
> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions
> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware
> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/
> _______________________________________________
> Inkscape-devel mailing list
> Inkscape-devel@...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>

> Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
Good to hear lots on comments on this ... so far 80% approve, so i will look to commit this shortly.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/169759

> Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
Seems to be no concerns here so will do this as well.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/997888

Thanks for everyones input.


________________________________
 From: Josh Andler <scislac@...>
To: Ivan Louette <ivan_louette@...> 
Cc: John Smith <john.smith7545@...>; "inkscape-devel@..." <inkscape-devel@...>; Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser@...> 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Fw: Menu refresh
 

I thought so too... I really don't see too much harm. This is the cycle to invalidate previous documentation imho.
Cheers,
Josh
On May 10, 2012 1:28 AM, "Ivan Louette" <ivan_louette@...> wrote:

If I remember well Edit/Preferences was a standard on most graphics programs I used on Windows and only a few ones used Tools/Options instead. It's the same on KDE.
>
>
>ivan
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> De : Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser@...>
>À : John Smith <john.smith7545@...> 
>Cc : "inkscape-devel@..." <inkscape-devel@...> 
>Envoyé le : Jeudi 10 mai 2012 1h05
>Objet : Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: Menu refresh
> 
>
>About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of doing it.
>
>GNOME: Edit -> Preferences (yes, the ellipsis really isn't there)
>KDE: Settings -> Configure Inkscape...
>OS X: Inkscape -> Preferences..., or something like that, I think?
>Windows: Tools -> Options...
>
>As it stands, we don't have "Settings" or "Tools" menus. I don't think we have any especial use for either either.
>
>On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration in the Edit menu. There, I think "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." is a slightly better position.
>
>On KDE? I don't know.
>
>I'm not sure how Inkscape appears on OS X. Does this need fixing? Can it be? (Is it still being run in X11?)
>
>So, I suggest that moving File -> Inkscape Preferences... to Edit -> Preferences only be done in a GNOME environment or only on Linux. (Having it in different places in different desktop environments is common practice in other programs, e.g. Firefox.)
>
>
>On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...> wrote:
>
>Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>>
>>
>>This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>>
>>
>>Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>>
>>
>>3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>>
>>View->Grid
>>View->Snap
>>
>>View->Commands Bar
>>
>>View->Toolbox
>>View->Rulers
>>View->Scrollbars
>>View->Palette
>>View->Status Bar ... etc 
>>
>>
>>Window->Icon Preview
>>Window->Input Devices 
>>
>>Window->Memory 
>>Window->Messages
>>Window->Swatches
>>Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>>
>>
>>
>>4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
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About Metadata, it would be nice to be able to set default values (stored
in preferences.xml ?) that can be save/restore with buttons.
It is so boring to have to rewrite (or copy/paste from an anoter document)
everything for each files (that why I'm using a text edtir to direcly edit
the SVG file).

2012/5/11 John Smith <john.smith7545@...>

>
> > Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
> Good to hear lots on comments on this ... so far 80% approve, so i will
> look to commit this shortly.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/169759
>
> > Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
> Seems to be no concerns here so will do this as well.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/997888
>
> Thanks for everyones input.
>
>    ------------------------------
> *From:* Josh Andler <scislac@...>
> *To:* Ivan Louette <ivan_louette@...>
> *Cc:* John Smith <john.smith7545@...>; "
> inkscape-devel@..." <
> inkscape-devel@...>; Chris Morgan <
> chris.morganiser@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Fw: Menu refresh
>
> I thought so too... I really don't see too much harm. This is the cycle to
> invalidate previous documentation imho.
> Cheers,
> Josh
> On May 10, 2012 1:28 AM, "Ivan Louette" <ivan_louette@...> wrote:
>
> If I remember well Edit/Preferences was a standard on most graphics
> programs I used on Windows and only a few ones used Tools/Options instead.
> It's the same on KDE.
>
> ivan
>
>   ------------------------------
> *De :* Chris Morgan <chris.morganiser@...>
> *À :* John Smith <john.smith7545@...>
> *Cc :* "inkscape-devel@..." <
> inkscape-devel@...>
> *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 10 mai 2012 1h05
> *Objet :* Re: [Inkscape-devel] Fw: Menu refresh
>
> About "File -> Inkscape Preferences...", which you are proposing to change
> to "Edit -> Preferences...": remember that that is only the GNOME way of
> doing it.
>
> GNOME: Edit -> Preferences (yes, the ellipsis really isn't there)
> KDE: Settings -> Configure Inkscape...
> OS X: Inkscape -> Preferences..., or something like that, I think?
> Windows: Tools -> Options...
>
> As it stands, we don't have "Settings" or "Tools" menus. I don't think we
> have any especial use for either either.
>
> On Windows, new users will not even think of looking for app configuration
> in the Edit menu. There, I think "File -> Inkscape Preferences..." is a
> slightly better position.
>
> On KDE? I don't know.
>
> I'm not sure how Inkscape appears on OS X. Does this need fixing? Can it
> be? (Is it still being run in X11?)
>
> So, I suggest that moving File -> Inkscape Preferences... to Edit ->
> Preferences only be done in a GNOME environment or only on Linux. (Having
> it in different places in different desktop environments is common practice
> in other programs, e.g. Firefox.)
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:34 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...:
>
>  Any thoughts on changes to the main menu layout ?
>
>
> 1. Move "File->Inkscape Preferences" to "Edit->Preferences"
>
> This seems to be the preferred location in the Gnome HIG
> http://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.4/menus-standard.html.en
>
>
> 2. Move "Edit->Clone" to "Object->Clone"
>
> Does this make more sense, since we are really cloning objects ?
>
>
> 3. Split View menu (including Show/Hide submenu) into 2 menus - View (UI
> "decorating" the main view) and Window (dockable dialogs)
>
> View->Grid
> View->Snap
> View->Commands Bar
> View->Toolbox
> View->Rulers
> View->Scrollbars
> View->Palette
> View->Status Bar ... etc
>
>
> Window->Icon Preview
> Window->Input Devices
> Window->Memory
> Window->Messages
> Window->Swatches
> Window->Show/Hide dialogs
>
>
> 4. Merge "File->Document Metadata" into "File->Document Properties"
>
>
>
>
>
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On 11/05/2012 14:07, Yann Papouin wrote:
> About Metadata, it would be nice to be able to set default values (stored
> in preferences.xml ?) that can be save/restore with buttons.

Here's the related feature request for this:
 Bug #612221 "Add metadata default configuration in the preferences"
 <https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/612221>

> It is so boring to have to rewrite (or copy/paste from an anoter document)
> everything for each files (that why I'm using a text edtir to direcly edit
> the SVG file).

Independent of above feature request: For new files, you could create a
custom default.svg template with your metadata already filled in?


~suv

> De : Yann Papouin <yann.papouin@...>
>About Metadata, it would be nice to be able to set default values (stored in preferences.xml ?) that can be save/restore with buttons.
>It is so boring to have to rewrite (or copy/paste from an anoter document) everything for each files (that why I'm using a text edtir to direcly edit the SVG file).

That's Bug #612221 "Add metadata default configuration in the preferences"
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/612221).

--
Nicolas

> About Metadata, it would be nice to be able to set default values (stored
> in preferences.xml ?) that can be save/restore with buttons.

I've added a patch with some basic load/save default metadata features.
Please take a look if you can ...


https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/612221


________________________________
 From: ~suv <suv-sf@...>
To: Yann Papouin <yann.papouin@...> 
Cc: John Smith <john.smith7545@...>; "inkscape-devel@..." <inkscape-devel@...> 
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Fw: Menu refresh
 
On 11/05/2012 14:07, Yann Papouin wrote:
> About Metadata, it would be nice to be able to set default values (stored
> in preferences.xml ?) that can be save/restore with buttons.

Here's the related feature request for this:
Bug #612221 "Add metadata default configuration in the preferences"
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/612221>

> It is so boring to have to rewrite (or copy/paste from an anoter document)
> everything for each files (that why I'm using a text edtir to direcly edit
> the SVG file).

Independent of above feature request: For new files, you could create a
custom default.svg template with your metadata already filled in?


~suv

It would also be helpful to add command line options:

inkscape --preferences=mydefault_preferences.xml
--template=mydefault_template.svg

- Susan


On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:46 AM, John Smith <john.smith7545@...:

> Re: [Inkscape-devel] Re : Fw: Menu refresh