2012/1/22 Ralph Spilsport <rspilsport@...>:
> I had already selected several different Preferred Names with no change to
> the cartouche label no matter whether I stayed with a new Preferred Name or
> returned to the original Preferred Name. Sorry for not mentioning that. What
> did work was shutting Gramps down and restarting it. All is now well, thanks
> very much.
Ok, this means there is a bug that a signal of person change is not
updating the field.
If you could submit a bug ticket for that, that would be great.
> Thanks also for the advice re multiple names. Unfortunately, they are indeed
> all attested. Movement across borders and phonetic spelling/illiteracy.
> Your help, and the speed with which it is delivered, is deeply appreciated.
> From: Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...>
> To: Ralph Spilsport <rspilsport@...>
> Cc: "gramps-users@..."
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Names: Three newbie questions
> 2012/1/22 Ralph Spilsport <rspilsport@...>:
>> What I hope is a final question:
>> I've taken the advice below and fixed up my name entries for Frank Smith.
>> now have 6 entries, the total number of combinations of
>> as given name and [Smith/Psmith] as surname. All well and good. Mostly.
>> When I click on the Ancestry category and then on the entry there for
>> Smith. all looks well with the Preferred name and the Alternative names.
>> Same for the upper left hand corner where, under Preferred Name, Smith,
>> Frank appears. The name of the window is also fine: Person: Smith, Frank.
>> The problem arises when I okay out of the editing windows. The Ancestry
>> category shows, for lack of a better word, a cartouche that refers to
>> Smith. The problem is that the name shown in the cartouche is "Smith
>> Frank [Frenk?][ Franz?]", apparently a holdover from when I entered data
>> incorrectly for both given and surnames.
> Hmm, There must be a name like that somewhere in the list I think,
> which you should delete.
> Name format is set in the Preferences, and takes the default name to
> determine how to show the name. So it should be the default name that
> causes it. Switch the default name for one of the alternate names
> (right click on alternate name), click save, and investigate how the
> name formatting changes, and how that name looks in the name editor.
> If a gramplet shows the old name, perhaps there is a caching problem?
> A restart should show you if that is the case (so after restart all is
> Let us know if you can make sense of it. If problems, send a
> screenshot of what you see and make clear what you expect
> About your many names, if there is no source for it, you should not
> add a combination.
> For an informal name of a person, you can use the nickname field also.
>> Is there anyway to fix this short of deleting the person and starting
>> which I really don't want to do or perhaps creating another person with
>> right preferred name and then merging it with the existing person?
>> All the best,
>> From: Peter G <sailor_tech@...>
>> To: "gramps-users@..."
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Names: Three newbie questions
>> As an example,
>> My great mother was Rose Tatelbaum. That's the birth name, with a source
>> her three daughter's birth certificates. Alternate birth name Rose
>> Tatlebaum, source her brother's marriage certificate and all other records
>> from her brother's side of the family for the varient spelling of the last
>> Her married name was Golden. Source 1910 US census and her daughter's
>> certificates for her husband's last name. Alternate married name of
>> source 1920 US census.
>> From: Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...>
>> To: Ralph Spilsport <rspilsport@...>
>> Cc: "gramps-users@..."
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Names: Three newbie questions
>> 2012/1/22 Ralph Spilsport <rspilsport@...>:
>>> Dear Benny,
>>> Many thanks. Much appreciated. One thing:
>>> It seems that I have to enter a full name, given names and surnames, for
>>> married name? I can't just enter a married surname and rely on Gramps to
>>> assume that if the given name is left blank it is the same as the birth
>>> given name. Or so it seems to me. Am I right about this?
>> Yes, that is why I mentioned the clipboard to copy a frame of the name.
>>> All the best,
>>> From: Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...>
>>> To: Ralph Spilsport <rspilsport@...>
>>> Cc: "gramps-users@..."
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Gramps-users] Names: Three newbie questions
>>> 2012/1/21 Ralph Spilsport <rspilsport@...>:
>>>> I am running Gramps 3.3.1 (AIO v. 2) on Windows Vista. I am completely
>>>> to Gramps.
>>>> Three questions re names. Very newbie, and perhaps covered in the
>>>> documentation, but I couldn't find answers there.
>>>> 1. Given names: How do I enter variants of given names? For example, one
>>>> of variations could be: Frank (primary variant), Frenk and Franz
>>>> (additional, less frequent spellings). Is there a way to choose a name
>>>> of "Also Known As" and have it refer to a Given Name? I don't see a way
>>>> do this.
>>> In the person view, in the tab pages, you see 'Alternative Names'. You
>>> should give variants there as new names, which are alternative names.
>>> The top part of the person editor, shows the name which is the default
>>> name. Right clicking on an alternative name, allows you to swap it
>>> with the default name.
>>> Make sure your name type is something that is correct. I mean here, a
>>> birth name is the one on a birth certificate, a married name the one
>>> taken after marriage, ...
>>> Don't make mistakes there, and add sources to the alternative names
>>> via the name editor, or you will not remember where you found the
>>>> 2. Same question regarding surnames.For example, Smith (primary variant)
>>>> Psmith (the "p" is silent).
>>> See above. When you search on a name, the alternative names are also
>>>> 3. Similar question regarding married and maiden names.Here's why I ask.
>>>> When go to the People view and double click on a name, the name window
>>>> opens. Assume the person whose name has been clicked is a married woman
>>>> uses her husband's surname as well as her own maiden name in the
>>>> Given name, Maiden name, Husband's surname order.
>>>> The window shows Type: Birth name. Presumably this refers not to the
>>>> name, but to surnames. I have entered two different surnames, one the
>>>> name, one the husband's family name. I have selected the husband's
>>>> as the primary surname. The window's title gives the correct ordering:
>>>> maiden name husband's surname, given name. But when I select the
>>>> surname and then change the type to married name and then select the
>>>> name, the type does not change to birth name, but remains as married
>>> Yes, so one name is one name type, via alternative names you enter
>>> extra names. You can use the clipboard to copy paste the equal parts.
>>> See documentation on alternative names.
>>>> The same happens if I try this the other way: selecting the maiden name
>>>> first, changing type to birth name and then selecting the husband's
>>>> In this case, the type remains birth name after the husband's surname is
>>>> So what is Type all about? And how to I specify birth and married names?
>>>> way I have in fact entered them seems right to me: maiden name as one
>>>> and husband's surname as another. But I suppose it could be maiden name
>>>> one entry and maiden name and husband's surname as another.
>>>> Thanks for any help you can give.
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