netatalk

Where do we go to vote? As one who normally has only two or three 
Netatalk/Samba servers running, and only sets up an average of about one 
a year, I would certainly welcome getting everything in one place.

I'd also vote for netatalk.conf, the other names are symbolic of the 
confusion I felt with a set of conf files that, mostly, didn't apply to 
me at all.

Van

On 19/01/2012 1:48 AM, Frank Lahm wrote:
> @netatalk-devel subscribers: reply-to netatalk-admins
>
> Dear all,
>
> we're currently considering the switch to ini style (cf Samba config)
> in Netatalk's config files accompanied merging afpd.conf,
> netatalk.conf and AppleVolumes.default to a single ini style config
> file named afp.conf (though I'd prefer netatalk.conf but that would
> seriously hinder 2.2 ->  3.0 upgrades).
>
> The config file might look like this:
> ---8<---
>
> [global]
>         unix charset = UTF8
>         mac charset = MAC_ROMAN
>         vol charset = UTF8
>
> ;       max clients = 20
>
> ;       ext mapping = no
>
> ;       afp uam list = uam_dhx.so uam_dhx2.so
> ;       afp guest = nobody
>
> ;       afp volumes system =      ; (default is not defined)
> ;       afp volumes default =     ; (default is this file)
>
>         vol unix priv = yes
>         vol use dot = yes
>
> ;       vol directory perm = 0000
> ;       vol file perm = 0000
>
> ;       log type = default
> ;       log level = note
> ;       log file =
>
> [AFP Server]
> ;       afp server name = $h
>
> [CNID Server]
>
> ;[LDAP]
> ;       ldap server      = localhost
> ;       ldap auth method = simple
> ;       ldap auth dn     = cn=admin,dc=domain,dc=org
> ;       ....
>
> ;[EXT Mapping]
> ;       txt = "TEXT"  "ttxt"
> ;       zip = "ZIP "  "SITx"
>
> [homes]
> ;       home name = $u
>
> ;[share sample]
> ;       vol path = /somewhere/my/share/directory
>
> ;[time machine sample]
> ;       vol path = /somewhere/backup/directory
> ;       vol time machine = yes
> ;       vol size limit = 1000
> ---8<---
>
> Please vote whether you like to see this change or if not. Thanks!
>
> -f
>
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2012/1/19 G. Armour Van Horn <vanhorn@...>:
> Where do we go to vote?

<http://poll.pollcode.com/wpr>

Oh dear; I didn't mean to actually send that.... Oh well. I'll finish the thought:

The benefits of switching seem minimal, other than to "cleanup" an established -- albeit sometimes confusing -- system of config files.

There will be some pain for everyone to migrate old configs to ini style configs. Will there be an automatic upgrade capability, especially for those of us who build from source (rather than install from a system-supplied package)?

I am on the fence about such a change, since I rarely touch the config files, and when I do it's in conjunction with an update to netatalk itself, if at all.

Anyway, to be clear, I am neither opposed or in favor, but will not begrudge a decision to change. :-)

-Mark

On Jan 19, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Mark H. Granoff wrote:

> I am on the fence about it. If you switch, I will deal with it, but...
> 
> PLease don't switch for the sake of switching alone. The benefit
> On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Frank Lahm wrote:
> 
>> @netatalk-devel subscribers: reply-to netatalk-admins
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> we're currently considering the switch to ini style (cf Samba config)
>> in Netatalk's config files accompanied merging afpd.conf,
>> netatalk.conf and AppleVolumes.default to a single ini style config
>> file named afp.conf (though I'd prefer netatalk.conf but that would
>> seriously hinder 2.2 -> 3.0 upgrades).
>> 
>> The config file might look like this:
>> ---8<---
>> 
>> [global]
>>      unix charset = UTF8
>>      mac charset = MAC_ROMAN
>>      vol charset = UTF8
>> 
>> ;       max clients = 20
>> 
>> ;       ext mapping = no
>> 
>> ;       afp uam list = uam_dhx.so uam_dhx2.so
>> ;       afp guest = nobody
>> 
>> ;       afp volumes system =      ; (default is not defined)
>> ;       afp volumes default =     ; (default is this file)
>> 
>>      vol unix priv = yes
>>      vol use dot = yes
>> 
>> ;       vol directory perm = 0000
>> ;       vol file perm = 0000
>> 
>> ;       log type = default
>> ;       log level = note
>> ;       log file =
>> 
>> [AFP Server]
>> ;       afp server name = $h
>> 
>> [CNID Server]
>> 
>> ;[LDAP]
>> ;       ldap server      = localhost
>> ;       ldap auth method = simple
>> ;       ldap auth dn     = cn=admin,dc=domain,dc=org
>> ;       ....
>> 
>> ;[EXT Mapping]
>> ;       txt = "TEXT"  "ttxt"
>> ;       zip = "ZIP "  "SITx"
>> 
>> [homes]
>> ;       home name = $u
>> 
>> ;[share sample]
>> ;       vol path = /somewhere/my/share/directory
>> 
>> ;[time machine sample]
>> ;       vol path = /somewhere/backup/directory
>> ;       vol time machine = yes
>> ;       vol size limit = 1000
>> ---8<---
>> 
>> Please vote whether you like to see this change or if not. Thanks!
>> 
>> -f
>> 
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I am on the fence about it. If you switch, I will deal with it, but...

PLease don't switch for the sake of switching alone. The benefit
On Jan 19, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Frank Lahm wrote:

> @netatalk-devel subscribers: reply-to netatalk-admins
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> we're currently considering the switch to ini style (cf Samba config)
> in Netatalk's config files accompanied merging afpd.conf,
> netatalk.conf and AppleVolumes.default to a single ini style config
> file named afp.conf (though I'd prefer netatalk.conf but that would
> seriously hinder 2.2 -> 3.0 upgrades).
> 
> The config file might look like this:
> ---8<---
> 
> [global]
>       unix charset = UTF8
>       mac charset = MAC_ROMAN
>       vol charset = UTF8
> 
> ;       max clients = 20
> 
> ;       ext mapping = no
> 
> ;       afp uam list = uam_dhx.so uam_dhx2.so
> ;       afp guest = nobody
> 
> ;       afp volumes system =      ; (default is not defined)
> ;       afp volumes default =     ; (default is this file)
> 
>       vol unix priv = yes
>       vol use dot = yes
> 
> ;       vol directory perm = 0000
> ;       vol file perm = 0000
> 
> ;       log type = default
> ;       log level = note
> ;       log file =
> 
> [AFP Server]
> ;       afp server name = $h
> 
> [CNID Server]
> 
> ;[LDAP]
> ;       ldap server      = localhost
> ;       ldap auth method = simple
> ;       ldap auth dn     = cn=admin,dc=domain,dc=org
> ;       ....
> 
> ;[EXT Mapping]
> ;       txt = "TEXT"  "ttxt"
> ;       zip = "ZIP "  "SITx"
> 
> [homes]
> ;       home name = $u
> 
> ;[share sample]
> ;       vol path = /somewhere/my/share/directory
> 
> ;[time machine sample]
> ;       vol path = /somewhere/backup/directory
> ;       vol time machine = yes
> ;       vol size limit = 1000
> ---8<---
> 
> Please vote whether you like to see this change or if not. Thanks!
> 
> -f
> 
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Hi,

From: "G. Armour Van Horn" <vanhorn@...>, 19 Jan 2012 02:00:45 -0800

> I'd also vote for netatalk.conf, the other names are symbolic of the 
> confusion I felt with a set of conf files that, mostly, didn't apply to 
> me at all.

auto-conversion is impossible maybe.
I think "afp.conf" is symbolic enough.
samba's configuration file is smb.conf, not samba.conf.

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Hi,

From: "Mark H. Granoff" <mark@...>, 19 Jan 2012 09:19:10 -0500
> There will be some pain for everyone to migrate old configs to ini style
> configs. Will there be an automatic upgrade capability, especially for
> those of us who build from source (rather than install from a system-
> supplied package)?

automatic upgrade mission is impossible maybe.
It may be possible to write a perl-script for conversion.

I'm writing a conversion-table.
http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/hat/netatalk/netatalk2to3.draft.html

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Am 19.01.12 15:19, schrieb Mark H. Granoff:


Hi Mark,


> There will be some pain for everyone to migrate old configs to ini style configs. Will there be an automatic upgrade capability, especially for those of us who build from source (rather than install from a system-supplied package)?
>

Normaly I'm PRO automatism, but in this case i would prefere a manualy 
configuration by the "ADMIN" - misconfigurations are learneffects :)


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On Jan 19, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Michael Grundmann wrote:
> Am 19.01.12 15:19, schrieb Mark H. Granoff:
>> There will be some pain for everyone to migrate old configs to ini style configs. Will there be an automatic upgrade capability, especially for those of us who build from source (rather than install from a system-supplied package)?
>> 
> 
> Normaly I'm PRO automatism, but in this case i would prefere a manualy 
> configuration by the "ADMIN" - misconfigurations are learneffects :)

That's a good point, of course. At least I hope the mapping from old to new will be obvious, if not well documented, so a manual migration can be done quickly and without confusion or ambiguity.

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Am 19.01.12 17:23, schrieb HAT:

> I'm writing a conversion-table.
> http://www003.upp.so-net.ne.jp/hat/netatalk/netatalk2to3.draft.html
>

I would not do that!

Maybe it is better to give infos before installing the new 
netatalk-version about changes in the netatalk-configs and publish a big 
warning:
"WUUUAAAH - your old config doesn't work after this update!!!! Read the 
fucking manual!!!" ;)

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die Eier faul, die Wolle verfilzt oder die Sau gehört schon längst als 
Gammelfleisch entsorgt

Hi, all.

Although configuration of current netatalk is very difficult,
you have succeeded in configuration.
You will be able to write a certainly new conf file.

I propose a new format for future administrator, not you.
Please consider netatalk's future.

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I think it would be a good change.  As so many other programs in Linux 
fall under this method, I think it would help new users with learning 
Netatalk.

Jeremy



From:   Frank Lahm <franklahm@...>
To:     netatalk-devel@..., netatalk-admins 
<netatalk-admins@...>, 
Date:   01/19/2012 04:46 AM
Subject:        [Netatalk-admins] [POLL] Use ini stye format in 
configuration files     in Netatalk 3



@netatalk-devel subscribers: reply-to netatalk-admins

Dear all,

we're currently considering the switch to ini style (cf Samba config)
in Netatalk's config files accompanied merging afpd.conf,
netatalk.conf and AppleVolumes.default to a single ini style config
file named afp.conf (though I'd prefer netatalk.conf but that would
seriously hinder 2.2 -> 3.0 upgrades).

The config file might look like this:
---8<---

[global]
       unix charset = UTF8
       mac charset = MAC_ROMAN
       vol charset = UTF8

;       max clients = 20

;       ext mapping = no

;       afp uam list = uam_dhx.so uam_dhx2.so
;       afp guest = nobody

;       afp volumes system =      ; (default is not defined)
;       afp volumes default =     ; (default is this file)

       vol unix priv = yes
       vol use dot = yes

;       vol directory perm = 0000
;       vol file perm = 0000

;       log type = default
;       log level = note
;       log file =

[AFP Server]
;       afp server name = $h

[CNID Server]

;[LDAP]
;       ldap server      = localhost
;       ldap auth method = simple
;       ldap auth dn     = cn=admin,dc=domain,dc=org
;       ....

;[EXT Mapping]
;       txt = "TEXT"  "ttxt"
;       zip = "ZIP "  "SITx"

[homes]
;       home name = $u

;[share sample]
;       vol path = /somewhere/my/share/directory

;[time machine sample]
;       vol path = /somewhere/backup/directory
;       vol time machine = yes
;       vol size limit = 1000
---8<---

Please vote whether you like to see this change or if not. Thanks!

-f

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Am 19.01.12 18:52, schrieb HAT:
> Hi, all.
>
> Although configuration of current netatalk is very difficult,
> you have succeeded in configuration.

a textfile is a textfile

> You will be able to write a certainly new conf file.
>
> I propose a new format for future administrator, not you.
> Please consider netatalk's future.
>

i hope i understand you right - this is the same what i mean: a new 
configfile (easier as before) and thats it

i think the old configfile wasn't difficult. but ... try to dock some 
other tools (webmin, maybe) to netatalk ... it's difficult

ONE configfile!

@HAT: we are talking about the same :)

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On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 10:48 +0100, Frank Lahm wrote:
> @netatalk-devel subscribers: reply-to netatalk-admins
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> we're currently considering the switch to ini style (cf Samba config)
> in Netatalk's config files accompanied merging afpd.conf,
> netatalk.conf and AppleVolumes.default to a single ini style config
> file named afp.conf (though I'd prefer netatalk.conf but that would
> seriously hinder 2.2 -> 3.0 upgrades).
<<< snip >>>
> Please vote whether you like to see this change or if not. Thanks!
----
gosh yes... but a few things come to mind...

1 - comments in the default config(s) are presently quite good and would
want to see that they are preserved.

2 - a utility such as samba's 'testparm' which allows you to output a
configuration with all default (ie testparm -v), all uncommented
directives (ie, normal testparm). This could either be a separate script
or binary file or could be a built-in command like puppet as in 'puppet
--genconfig'

Craig


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On 20/01/2012, at 12:19 PM, Craig White wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 10:48 +0100, Frank Lahm wrote:
>> @netatalk-devel subscribers: reply-to netatalk-admins
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> we're currently considering the switch to ini style (cf Samba config)
>> in Netatalk's config files accompanied merging afpd.conf,
>> netatalk.conf and AppleVolumes.default to a single ini style config
>> file named afp.conf (though I'd prefer netatalk.conf but that would
>> seriously hinder 2.2 -> 3.0 upgrades).
> <<< snip >>>
>> Please vote whether you like to see this change or if not. Thanks!
> ----
> gosh yes... but a few things come to mind...
> 
> 1 - comments in the default config(s) are presently quite good and would
> want to see that they are preserved.
+1
> 
> 2 - a utility such as samba's 'testparm' which allows you to output a
> configuration with all default (ie testparm -v), all uncommented
> directives (ie, normal testparm). This could either be a separate script
> or binary file or could be a built-in command like puppet as in 'puppet
> --genconfig'

Also +1.

I'm happy for the change to .ini, but I wouldn't call it a high priority.

I also thing afp.conf is a good name, like samba has smb.conf; afp is the main protocol netatalk is used for these days.

-Matt

Dear All,

>> gosh yes... 
++

>> 1 - comments in the default config(s) are presently quite good and would
>> want to see that they are preserved.
> +1
++

Personally i would like to name the .ini
"Jobs-wanted-for-Macs-to-keep-working" but maybe "netatalk.cf" oder
.conf is more conveniant.


>> 2 - a utility such as samba's 'testparm' which allows you to output a
>> configuration with all default (ie testparm -v), all uncommented
>> directives (ie, normal testparm). This could either be a separate script
>> or binary file or could be a built-in command like puppet as in 'puppet
>> --genconfig'
> Also +1.
++

Since testparm is gone (the name) i'd like to suggest "Birn-Test" or
"checksmacs".

SCNR & thanks for Your work!
Thomas

From: tr <tr@...>, 20 Jan 2012 09:05:05 +0100
> Personally i would like to name the .ini
> "Jobs-wanted-for-Macs-to-keep-working" but maybe "netatalk.cf" oder
> .conf is more conveniant.

afp_signature.conf and afp_voluuid.conf don't have change on netatalk3.
~/.AppleVolumes is renamed to ~/.afp_volumes because of ini format.

   afp.conf
   afp_signature.conf
   afp_voluuid.conf
   ~/.afp_volumes

I think these are very simple filename.

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