Jython

Sorry for being too optimistic. We ended up not supporting any of those
modules in 2.5.1, because we wanted to get some critical bug fixes out
first. 2.5.2 is more bug fixes, plus Java integration. There's some
experimental support for ctypes in 2.5.2, but it's really more of a
placeholder at this point. And none of the other modules mentioned (bz2, CJK
codecs, sqlite3, or completion of unicodedata) have been completed either.
They might be released on PyPI first as a separate download, or in 2.6.
Nothing really too difficult to do, but we don't have the resources since we
are an all-volunteer project. Contributions welcome!

We do need to update the FAQ of course.

I do recommend JNA if you can modify your ctypes code. JNA is pretty close
to ctypes - JNA's API apparently was significantly influenced by ctypes! JNA
also seems to work well with Jython.

The other option is to use something like execnet. For execnet specifically:
it allows you to pair Jython with CPython, and it does seem to work well.
But its GPL license makes it a non starter for many people. There are other
choices out there too.

- Jim

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Marius <wishinet@...> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I checked out the website:
> "We do plan to support bz2, ctypes, sqlite3, flesh out unicodedata,
> and support cjk codecs in 2.5.1." <-
> (http://www.jython.org/faq3.html)
>
> ->Jython 2.5.1 (Release_2_5_1:6813, Sep 26 2009, 13:47:54)
> [OpenJDK Server VM (Sun Microsystems Inc.)] on java1.6.0_18
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import ctypes
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named ctypes
> >>>
>
> Is there support for ctypes with Jython? Or can I get ctypes working
> with Jython somehow?
>
> Thanks :),
> Marius
>
>
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HI

About JNA, I can say that we have use it under jython 2.5.x  on different projects successfully, although I must add that the projects are not large.

regards

josu


On 2010 aza 17, at 22:37, Jim Baker wrote:

> Sorry for being too optimistic. We ended up not supporting any of those modules in 2.5.1, because we wanted to get some critical bug fixes out first. 2.5.2 is more bug fixes, plus Java integration. There's some experimental support for ctypes in 2.5.2, but it's really more of a placeholder at this point. And none of the other modules mentioned (bz2, CJK codecs, sqlite3, or completion of unicodedata) have been completed either. They might be released on PyPI first as a separate download, or in 2.6. Nothing really too difficult to do, but we don't have the resources since we are an all-volunteer project. Contributions welcome!
> 
> We do need to update the FAQ of course.
> 
> I do recommend JNA if you can modify your ctypes code. JNA is pretty close to ctypes - JNA's API apparently was significantly influenced by ctypes! JNA also seems to work well with Jython.
> 
> The other option is to use something like execnet. For execnet specifically: it allows you to pair Jython with CPython, and it does seem to work well. But its GPL license makes it a non starter for many people. There are other choices out there too.
> 
> - Jim
> 
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Marius <wishinet@...> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I checked out the website:
> "We do plan to support bz2, ctypes, sqlite3, flesh out unicodedata,
> and support cjk codecs in 2.5.1." <-
> (http://www.jython.org/faq3.html)
> 
> ->Jython 2.5.1 (Release_2_5_1:6813, Sep 26 2009, 13:47:54)
> [OpenJDK Server VM (Sun Microsystems Inc.)] on java1.6.0_18
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import ctypes
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named ctypes
> >>>
> 
> Is there support for ctypes with Jython? Or can I get ctypes working
> with Jython somehow?
> 
> Thanks :),
> Marius
> 
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On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Jim Baker <jbaker@...> wrote:

> There's some experimental support for ctypes in 2.5.2, but it's really more
> of a placeholder at this point.
>

I tried the ctypes module in 2.5.2rc2 recently, and found that:
1) There's no ctypes.util.find_library yet
2) ctypes.Structure doesn't support non-scalar types yet

So I agree with the "more of a placeholder" assessment.  Still, it's
exciting to see it getting started.

Jim Baker <jbaker <at> zyasoft.com> writes:

> 
> 
> Sorry for being too optimistic. We ended up not supporting any of those 
modules in 2.5.1, because we wanted to get some critical bug fixes out first. 
2.5.2 is more bug fixes, plus Java integration. There's some experimental 
support for ctypes in 2.5.2, but it's really more of a placeholder at this 
point. And none of the other modules mentioned (bz2, CJK codecs, sqlite3, or 
completion of unicodedata) have been completed either. They might be released on 
PyPI first as a separate download, or in 2.6. Nothing really too difficult to 
do, but we don't have the resources since we are an all-volunteer project. 
Contributions welcome!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> We do need to update the FAQ of course.
> I do recommend JNA if you can modify your ctypes code. JNA is pretty close to 
ctypes - JNA's API apparently was significantly influenced by ctypes! JNA also 
seems to work well with Jython.
> 
> 
> The other option is to use something like execnet. For execnet specifically: 
it allows you to pair Jython with CPython, and it does seem to work well. But 
its GPL license makes it a non starter for many people. There are other choices 
out there too.
> 
> 
> - JimOn Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Marius <wishinet <at> googlemail.com> 
wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I checked out the website:
> "We do plan to support bz2, ctypes, sqlite3, flesh out unicodedata,
> and support cjk codecs in 2.5.1." <-
> (http://www.jython.org/faq3.html)
> ->Jython 2.5.1 (Release_2_5_1:6813, Sep 26 2009, 13:47:54)
> [OpenJDK Server VM (Sun Microsystems Inc.)] on java1.6.0_18
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import ctypes
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ImportError: No module named ctypes
> >>>
> Is there support for ctypes with Jython? Or can I get ctypes working
> with Jython somehow?
> Thanks :),
> Marius
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Hi Jim,
As I was doing some research for my problem, I found this post and joined this 
mailing list.
I need to communicate with some device which I have a perfectly working Python 
module for. I also have an extensive Java program which needs to talk to the 
device and I thought I just call the perfect python module functions from the 
already existing Java code.
Therefore I have been looking for a way to call the Python module lib's 
functions from Java and found out that Jython is designed to do that.
However, the Python module uses "PyUSB" library which apparently uses ctypes to
communicate with native libraries in Python.
Now is it true that I won't simply be able to continue this project any more 
because ctypes is not supported in Jython? I was so excited about this but now 
don't know how to go further.
If that is the case, is there any thing other than Jython that you could suggest 
as a solution, by any chance?
Any comment/suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much
Safi

22.06.2011 18:42, Safoura kirjoitti:
> Jim Baker<jbaker<at>  zyasoft.com>  writes:
>
>>
>> Sorry for being too optimistic. We ended up not supporting any of those
> modules in 2.5.1, because we wanted to get some critical bug fixes out first.
> 2.5.2 is more bug fixes, plus Java integration. There's some experimental
> support for ctypes in 2.5.2, but it's really more of a placeholder at this
> point. And none of the other modules mentioned (bz2, CJK codecs, sqlite3, or
> completion of unicodedata) have been completed either. They might be released on
> PyPI first as a separate download, or in 2.6. Nothing really too difficult to
> do, but we don't have the resources since we are an all-volunteer project.
> Contributions welcome!
>>
>>
>>
>> We do need to update the FAQ of course.
>> I do recommend JNA if you can modify your ctypes code. JNA is pretty close to
> ctypes - JNA's API apparently was significantly influenced by ctypes! JNA also
> seems to work well with Jython.
>>
>> The other option is to use something like execnet. For execnet specifically:
> it allows you to pair Jython with CPython, and it does seem to work well. But
> its GPL license makes it a non starter for many people. There are other choices
> out there too.
>>
>> - JimOn Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Marius<wishinet<at>  googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I checked out the website:
>> "We do plan to support bz2, ctypes, sqlite3, flesh out unicodedata,
>> and support cjk codecs in 2.5.1."<-
>> (http://www.jython.org/faq3.html)
>> ->Jython 2.5.1 (Release_2_5_1:6813, Sep 26 2009, 13:47:54)
>> [OpenJDK Server VM (Sun Microsystems Inc.)] on java1.6.0_18
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>> import ctypes
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>    File "<stdin>", line 1, in<module>
>> ImportError: No module named ctypes
>> Is there support for ctypes with Jython? Or can I get ctypes working
>> with Jython somehow?
>> Thanks :),
>> Marius
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
> Hi Jim,
> As I was doing some research for my problem, I found this post and joined this
> mailing list.
> I need to communicate with some device which I have a perfectly working Python
> module for. I also have an extensive Java program which needs to talk to the
> device and I thought I just call the perfect python module functions from the
> already existing Java code.
> Therefore I have been looking for a way to call the Python module lib's
> functions from Java and found out that Jython is designed to do that.
> However, the Python module uses "PyUSB" library which apparently uses ctypes to
> communicate with native libraries in Python.
> Now is it true that I won't simply be able to continue this project any more
> because ctypes is not supported in Jython? I was so excited about this but now
> don't know how to go further.
> If that is the case, is there any thing other than Jython that you could suggest
> as a solution, by any chance?
> Any comment/suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
Try Py4J. It will bridge CPython and Jython so you can use stuff from both.
> Thanks so much
> Safi
>
>
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> > Hi Jim,
> > As I was doing some research for my problem, I found this post and joined 
this
> > mailing list.
> > I need to communicate with some device which I have a perfectly working 
Python
> > module for. I also have an extensive Java program which needs to talk to the
> > device and I thought I just call the perfect python module functions from 
the
> > already existing Java code.
> > Therefore I have been looking for a way to call the Python module lib's
> > functions from Java and found out that Jython is designed to do that.
> > However, the Python module uses "PyUSB" library which apparently uses ctypes 
to
> > communicate with native libraries in Python.
> > Now is it true that I won't simply be able to continue this project any more
> > because ctypes is not supported in Jython? I was so excited about this but 
now
> > don't know how to go further.
> > If that is the case, is there any thing other than Jython that you could 
suggest
> > as a solution, by any chance?
> > Any comment/suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
> Try Py4J. It will bridge CPython and Jython so you can use stuff from both.
> > Thanks so much
> > Safi
> >
> >
> >


Hi

Thanks for introducing Py4J; I went through the docs. But isn't that for 
accessing the Java objects from a python program and the other way around. As I 
mentioned, I need to find a way to call the Python lib functions from my running 
Java code. Would it be still an option? How about Jepp? Could that be a solution 
too?

Thanks so much in advance.

Safi

Safoura wrote:
> Thanks for introducing Py4J; I went through the docs. But isn't that for 
> accessing the Java objects from a python program and the other way around. As I 
> mentioned, I need to find a way to call the Python lib functions from my running 
> Java code. Would it be still an option? How about Jepp? Could that be a solution 
> too?
>   

I've used http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPyC/ a few times and I've had 
pretty  good success with it (in both directions, my pure Jython JDBC 
driver works great being accessed from Cpython [the reverse of what you 
want]).

There are a bunch of others (execnet, SPyRO, and SPIRO).

A ctypes module based on top if JNA would be neat :-) That would be a a 
great project as others could use it later on (I've not looked in the 
the Jython initial ctypes implementation so if you want to hack on 
something also consider hacking on the current ctypes code in Jython).

Chris

Chris Clark wrote:
> Safoura wrote:
>> Thanks for introducing Py4J; I went through the docs. But isn't that 
>> for accessing the Java objects from a python program and the other 
>> way around. As I mentioned, I need to find a way to call the Python 
>> lib functions from my running Java code. Would it be still an option? 
>> How about Jepp? Could that be a solution too?
>>   
>
> I've used http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPyC/ a few times and I've had 
> pretty  good success with it (in both directions, my pure Jython JDBC 
> driver works great being accessed from Cpython [the reverse of what 
> you want]).
>
> There are a bunch of others (execnet, SPyRO, and SPIRO).

RE RPyC calling Cpython from Jython, I forgot to add that the version I 
had raised errors on method calls (it was fine in the other direction), 
but using .__call__() always worked fine. I never got around to going 
any further (e.g. logging a bug report) as I was playing around and got 
what I needed to do work.

Chris

[Safoura]
> I need to communicate with some device which I have a perfectly working Python
> module for. I also have an extensive Java program which needs to talk to the
> device and I thought I just call the perfect python module functions from the
> already existing Java code.
> Therefore I have been looking for a way to call the Python module lib's
> functions from Java and found out that Jython is designed to do that.
> However, the Python module uses "PyUSB" library which apparently uses ctypes to
> communicate with native libraries in Python.

Have you considered porting that python USB code to a java USB
library? They would probably have similar APIs, and might even use the
same underlying native library, if the java lib uses JNA.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/862880/java-usb-library

Alan.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Safoura <s.seddighin@...> wrote:

>
>
> However, the Python module uses "PyUSB" library which apparently uses
> ctypes to
> communicate with native libraries in Python.
> Now is it true that I won't simply be able to continue this project any
> more
> because ctypes is not supported in Jython?
>

Jython has a ctypes module - it's just kind of young:

 $ /usr/local/jython-2.5.2/bin/jython -c 'import ctypes; print ctypes'
<module 'ctypes' from '/usr/local/jython-2.5.2/Lib/ctypes/__init__.py'>