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Which structure did you try to print ?

2011/2/2 Carsten Aevermann <carsten@...>

> Hi Changi67,
> tried printing the doc from
> https://docprint.tiki.org/tiki-print_pages.php several times with no
> success. Using Win or Linux and Chrome or FF.
> Last try today aborted (started 12:01) at 1205 multiple occurrence (19
> times in one page) of "An error occurred while... things to check..."
> page. Previous attempts aborted or did not finish within an hour.
>
> Hope that someone else had more luck.
>
> Greetings from Germany
> Carsten
>
>
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 27.01.2011, 21:42 +0100 schrieb Jean-François BILGER:
> > You could try https://docprint.tiki.org
> >
> >
> > Changi
> >
> > 2011/1/12 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
> >         +1 to try this workaround, changi!
> >
> >         If it works, at least we will be able to produce some pdf from
> >         time to time out of the "comprehensive handbook" of Tiki
> >         documentation (the "http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC"
> >         structure)
> >
> >         Thanks
> >
> >         Xavi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         On 11/01/11 22:21, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
> >         > Hi Xavi and carsten
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Another possibility is to get the dump of doc.tiki.org and
> >         > build it on another website.
> >         > I can create a superdoc.tiki.org with only admin acces and
> >         > lots of ram and time to build.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Changi
> >         >
> >         > 2011/1/11 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
> >         >         Changi, what shall we do with this?
> >         >         (Cc Carsten)
> >         >
> >         >
> https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053
> >         >
> >         >         We should be able to use these offers of people
> >         >         willing to produce a new pdf from time to time...
> >         >
> >         >         But I don't know what's the best way...
> >         >
> >         >         Xavi
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         -------- Original Message --------
> >         >                          Subject:
> >         >         New forum post in by Brian
> >         >         Merritt: Re: Printing
> >         >         Tiki...
> >         >                             Date:
> >         >         Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:58:56
> >         >         +0100 (CET)
> >         >                             From:
> >         >         noc@...
> >         >                         Reply-To:
> >         >         noc@...
> >         >                               To:
> >         >         xavier.depedro@...
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         "Brian Merritt" has posted a reply to a thread you're
> watching.
> >         >         You can view the thread and reply at the following URL:
> >         >
> >         >
> https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053#threadId2
> >         >
> >         >         Message:
> >         >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >         >         one possible temporary fix would be to stop users
> accessing the DOC server, and an admin doing the print once a quarter, and
> then pdf the output.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         or give me admin rights, and I will do it for you -
> Tiki pastes incredibly well into Word 2010 ;-)
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > --
> >         > Changi
> >         > --
> >         > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
> >         > - http://tiki.org
> >         >
> >         >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Changi
> > --
> > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
> > - http://tiki.org
> >
>
> --
> ((aevermann.com))
>
> Carsten Aevermann
>
> Engelhardstr. 38C
> 63450 Hanau
>
> Cell: +49 176 49860314
> FixedLine: +49 6181 9657469
>
>
>


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Changi
--
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http://tiki.org<http://tikiwiki.org>

Which structure did you try to print ?

2011/2/2 Carsten Aevermann <carsten@...>

> Hi Changi67,
> tried printing the doc from
> https://docprint.tiki.org/tiki-print_pages.php several times with no
> success. Using Win or Linux and Chrome or FF.
> Last try today aborted (started 12:01) at 1205 multiple occurrence (19
> times in one page) of "An error occurred while... things to check..."
> page. Previous attempts aborted or did not finish within an hour.
>
> Hope that someone else had more luck.
>
> Greetings from Germany
> Carsten
>
>
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 27.01.2011, 21:42 +0100 schrieb Jean-François BILGER:
> > You could try https://docprint.tiki.org
> >
> >
> > Changi
> >
> > 2011/1/12 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
> >         +1 to try this workaround, changi!
> >
> >         If it works, at least we will be able to produce some pdf from
> >         time to time out of the "comprehensive handbook" of Tiki
> >         documentation (the "http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC"
> >         structure)
> >
> >         Thanks
> >
> >         Xavi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         On 11/01/11 22:21, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
> >         > Hi Xavi and carsten
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Another possibility is to get the dump of doc.tiki.org and
> >         > build it on another website.
> >         > I can create a superdoc.tiki.org with only admin acces and
> >         > lots of ram and time to build.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Changi
> >         >
> >         > 2011/1/11 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
> >         >         Changi, what shall we do with this?
> >         >         (Cc Carsten)
> >         >
> >         >
> https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053
> >         >
> >         >         We should be able to use these offers of people
> >         >         willing to produce a new pdf from time to time...
> >         >
> >         >         But I don't know what's the best way...
> >         >
> >         >         Xavi
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         -------- Original Message --------
> >         >                          Subject:
> >         >         New forum post in by Brian
> >         >         Merritt: Re: Printing
> >         >         Tiki...
> >         >                             Date:
> >         >         Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:58:56
> >         >         +0100 (CET)
> >         >                             From:
> >         >         noc@...
> >         >                         Reply-To:
> >         >         noc@...
> >         >                               To:
> >         >         xavier.depedro@...
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         "Brian Merritt" has posted a reply to a thread you're
> watching.
> >         >         You can view the thread and reply at the following URL:
> >         >
> >         >
> https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053#threadId2
> >         >
> >         >         Message:
> >         >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >         >         one possible temporary fix would be to stop users
> accessing the DOC server, and an admin doing the print once a quarter, and
> then pdf the output.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         or give me admin rights, and I will do it for you -
> Tiki pastes incredibly well into Word 2010 ;-)
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > --
> >         > Changi
> >         > --
> >         > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
> >         > - http://tiki.org
> >         >
> >         >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Changi
> > --
> > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
> > - http://tiki.org
> >
>
> --
> ((aevermann.com))
>
> Carsten Aevermann
>
> Engelhardstr. 38C
> 63450 Hanau
>
> Cell: +49 176 49860314
> FixedLine: +49 6181 9657469
>
>
>


-- 
Changi
--
Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team -
http://tiki.org<http://tikiwiki.org>

He he, "THE" (huge) structure in doc.t.o:

http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC

I had similar failure when I tried days ago, in my case, never ending 
loop to Sharethis it seems (I have to try again after disabling that plugin)

Xavi


On 02/02/11 13:18, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
> Which structure did you try to print ?
>
> 2011/2/2 Carsten Aevermann <carsten@... 
> <mailto:carsten@...>>
>
>     Hi Changi67,
>     tried printing the doc from
>     https://docprint.tiki.org/tiki-print_pages.php several times with no
>     success. Using Win or Linux and Chrome or FF.
>     Last try today aborted (started 12:01) at 1205 multiple occurrence (19
>     times in one page) of "An error occurred while... things to check..."
>     page. Previous attempts aborted or did not finish within an hour.
>
>     Hope that someone else had more luck.
>
>     Greetings from Germany
>     Carsten
>
>
>
>
>     Am Donnerstag, den 27.01.2011, 21:42 +0100 schrieb Jean-François
>     BILGER:
>     > You could try https://docprint.tiki.org
>     >
>     >
>     > Changi
>     >
>     > 2011/1/12 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...
>     <mailto:xavier.depedro@...>>
>     >         +1 to try this workaround, changi!
>     >
>     >         If it works, at least we will be able to produce some
>     pdf from
>     >         time to time out of the "comprehensive handbook" of Tiki
>     >         documentation (the "http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC"
>     >         structure)
>     >
>     >         Thanks
>     >
>     >         Xavi
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >         On 11/01/11 22:21, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
>     > > Hi Xavi and carsten
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Another possibility is to get the dump of doc.tiki.org
>     <http://doc.tiki.org> and
>     > > build it on another website.
>     > > I can create a superdoc.tiki.org <http://superdoc.tiki.org>
>     with only admin acces and
>     > > lots of ram and time to build.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Changi
>     > >
>     > > 2011/1/11 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...
>     <mailto:xavier.depedro@...>>
>     > >         Changi, what shall we do with this?
>     > >         (Cc Carsten)
>     > >
>     > >
>     https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053
>     <https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053>
>     > >
>     > >         We should be able to use these offers of people
>     > >         willing to produce a new pdf from time to time...
>     > >
>     > >         But I don't know what's the best way...
>     > >
>     > >         Xavi
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >         -------- Original Message --------
>     > >                          Subject:
>     > >         New forum post in by Brian
>     > >         Merritt: Re: Printing
>     > >         Tiki...
>     > >                             Date:
>     > >         Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:58:56
>     > >         +0100 (CET)
>     > >                             From:
>     > > noc@... <mailto:noc@...>
>     > >                         Reply-To:
>     > > noc@... <mailto:noc@...>
>     > >                               To:
>     > > xavier.depedro@... <mailto:xavier.depedro@...>
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >         "Brian Merritt" has posted a reply to a thread you're
>     watching.
>     > >         You can view the thread and reply at the following URL:
>     > >
>     > >
>     https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053#threadId2
>     <https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053#threadId2>
>     > >
>     > >         Message:
>     > >        
>     ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>     > >         one possible temporary fix would be to stop users
>     accessing the DOC server, and an admin doing the print once a
>     quarter, and then pdf the output.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >         or give me admin rights, and I will do it for you -
>     Tiki pastes incredibly well into Word 2010 ;-)
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > --
>     > > Changi
>     > > --
>     > > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
>     > > - http://tiki.org
>     > >
>     > >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > Changi
>     > --
>     > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
>     > - http://tiki.org
>     >
>
>     --
>     ((aevermann.com <http://aevermann.com>))
>
>     Carsten Aevermann
>
>     Engelhardstr. 38C
>     63450 Hanau
>
>     Cell: +49 176 49860314
>     FixedLine: +49 6181 9657469
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Changi
> --
> Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team - 
> http://tiki.org <http://tikiwiki.org>
>
>
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If we're not able to print/PDF "the" doc structure, maybe we should consider an alternative.... instead of a single, huge structure what if we re-organized the doc site into several, smaller structures. Not only would we be able to produce PDFs as needed, but I think the smaller, more focused "guides" would improve usability

I think this is something that the doc editorial board talked about in the past....


Regardless, I feel that the inability to produce a PDF guide since 1.9 is a major drawback.


-R

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Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Xavier de Pedro 
  To: Tiki developers 
  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tiki-devel] New forum post in (Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...


  He he, "THE" (huge) structure in doc.t.o:

  http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC

  I had similar failure when I tried days ago, in my case, never ending loop to Sharethis it seems (I have to try again after disabling that plugin)

  Xavi


  On 02/02/11 13:18, Jean-François BILGER wrote: 
    Which structure did you try to print ? 


    2011/2/2 Carsten Aevermann <carsten@...>

      Hi Changi67,
      tried printing the doc from
      https://docprint.tiki.org/tiki-print_pages.php several times with no
      success. Using Win or Linux and Chrome or FF.
      Last try today aborted (started 12:01) at 1205 multiple occurrence (19
      times in one page) of "An error occurred while... things to check..."
      page. Previous attempts aborted or did not finish within an hour.

      Hope that someone else had more luck.

      Greetings from Germany
      Carsten




      Am Donnerstag, den 27.01.2011, 21:42 +0100 schrieb Jean-François BILGER:

      > You could try https://docprint.tiki.org
      >
      >
      > Changi
      >
      > 2011/1/12 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
      >         +1 to try this workaround, changi!
      >
      >         If it works, at least we will be able to produce some pdf from
      >         time to time out of the "comprehensive handbook" of Tiki
      >         documentation (the "http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC"
      >         structure)
      >
      >         Thanks
      >
      >         Xavi
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >         On 11/01/11 22:21, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
      >         > Hi Xavi and carsten
      >         >
      >         >
      >         > Another possibility is to get the dump of doc.tiki.org and
      >         > build it on another website.
      >         > I can create a superdoc.tiki.org with only admin acces and
      >         > lots of ram and time to build.
      >         >
      >         >
      >         > Changi
      >         >
      >         > 2011/1/11 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
      >         >         Changi, what shall we do with this?
      >         >         (Cc Carsten)
      >         >
      >         >         https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053
      >         >
      >         >         We should be able to use these offers of people
      >         >         willing to produce a new pdf from time to time...
      >         >
      >         >         But I don't know what's the best way...
      >         >
      >         >         Xavi
      >         >
      >         >
      >         >         -------- Original Message --------
      >         >                          Subject:
      >         >         New forum post in by Brian
      >         >         Merritt: Re: Printing
      >         >         Tiki...
      >         >                             Date:
      >         >         Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:58:56
      >         >         +0100 (CET)
      >         >                             From:
      >         >         noc@...
      >         >                         Reply-To:
      >         >         noc@...
      >         >                               To:
      >         >         xavier.depedro@...
      >         >
      >         >
      >         >         "Brian Merritt" has posted a reply to a thread you're watching.
      >         >         You can view the thread and reply at the following URL:
      >         >
      >         >         https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053#threadId2
      >         >
      >         >         Message:
      >         >         ----------------------------------------------------------------------
      >         >         one possible temporary fix would be to stop users accessing the DOC server, and an admin doing the print once a quarter, and then pdf the output.
      >         >
      >         >
      >         >
      >         >         or give me admin rights, and I will do it for you - Tiki pastes incredibly well into Word 2010 ;-)
      >         >
      >         >
      >         >
      >         >
      >         >
      >         > --
      >         > Changi
      >         > --
      >         > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
      >         > - http://tiki.org
      >         >
      >         >
      >
      >
      >
      > --
      > Changi
      > --
      > Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware Project - Infrastructure Team
      > - http://tiki.org
      >


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+1 for separate guides. Other than Marc to show off how big Tiki is, I don't
really see the point of printing 1000 pages of documentation.

--
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On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...:

>  If we're not able to print/PDF "the" doc structure, maybe we should
> consider an alternative.... instead of a single, huge structure what if we
> re-organized the doc site into several, smaller structures. Not only would
> we be able to produce PDFs as needed, but I think the smaller, more focused
> "guides" would improve usability
>
> I think this is something that the doc editorial board talked about in the
> past....
>
>
> Regardless, I feel that the inability to produce a PDF guide since 1.9 is a
> major drawback.
>
>
> -R
>
> ---
> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
> *To:* Tiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:00 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Tiki-devel] New forum post in (Documentation) by Brian
> Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...
>
> He he, "THE" (huge) structure in doc.t.o:
>
> http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC
>
> I had similar failure when I tried days ago, in my case, never ending loop
> to Sharethis it seems (I have to try again after disabling that plugin)
>
> Xavi
>
>
> On 02/02/11 13:18, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
>
> Which structure did you try to print ?
>
> 2011/2/2 Carsten Aevermann <carsten@...>
>
> Hi Changi67,
> tried printing the doc from
> https://docprint.tiki.org/tiki-print_pages.php several times with no
> success. Using Win or Linux and Chrome or FF.
> Last try today aborted (started 12:01) at 1205 multiple occurrence (19
> times in one page) of "An error occurred while... things to check..."
> page. Previous attempts aborted or did not finish within an hour.
>
> Hope that someone else had more luck.
>
> Greetings from Germany
> Carsten
>
>
>
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 27.01.2011, 21:42 +0100 schrieb Jean-François BILGER:
>  > You could try https://docprint.tiki.org
> >
> >
> > Changi
> >
> > 2011/1/12 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
> >         +1 to try this workaround, changi!
> >
> >         If it works, at least we will be able to produce some pdf from
> >         time to time out of the "comprehensive handbook" of Tiki
> >         documentation (the "http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC"
> >         structure)
> >
> >         Thanks
> >
> >         Xavi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         On 11/01/11 22:21, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
> >         > Hi Xavi and carsten
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Another possibility is to get the dump of doc.tiki.org and
> >         > build it on another website.
> >         > I can create a superdoc.tiki.org with only admin acces and
> >         > lots of ram and time to build.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Changi
> >         >
> >         > 2011/1/11 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...>
> >         >         Changi, what shall we do with this?
> >         >         (Cc Carsten)
> >         >
> >         >
> https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053
> >         >
> >         >         We should be able to use these offers of people
> >         >         willing to produce a new pdf from time to time...
> >         >
> >         >         But I don't know what's the best way...
> >         >
> >         >         Xavi
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         -------- Original Message --------
> >         >                          Subject:
> >         >         New forum post in by Brian
> >         >         Merritt: Re: Printing
> >         >         Tiki...
> >         >                             Date:
> >         >         Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:58:56
> >         >         +0100 (CET)
> >         >                             From:
> >         >         noc@...
> >         >                         Reply-To:
> >         >         noc@...
> >         >                               To:
> >         >         xavier.depedro@...
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         "Brian Merritt" has posted a reply to a thread you're
> watching.
> >         >         You can view the thread and reply at the following URL:
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> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         or give me admin rights, and I will do it for you -
> Tiki pastes incredibly well into Word 2010 ;-)
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There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here: http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp

Please take a look...

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He he, the main goal, as I see it, is not printing "THE" structure  in 
paper (except that use case for Marc ;-), but have it every one and then 
printed in a single (downloadable) PDF.

In that downloaded PDF, you can search quickly for terms, across pages, 
sections, etc., regardless of your internet connection speed, accuracy 
of search engines X, Y & Z, or many other factors.

Xavi

On 04/02/11 14:50, Louis-Philippe Huberdeau wrote:
> +1 for separate guides. Other than Marc to show off how big Tiki is, I 
> don't really see the point of printing 1000 pages of documentation.
>
> --
> :
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@... 
> <mailto:rick.sapir@...>> wrote:
>
>     If we're not able to print/PDF "the" doc structure, maybe we
>     should consider an alternative.... instead of a single, huge
>     structure what if we re-organized the doc site into several,
>     smaller structures. Not only would we be able to produce PDFs as
>     needed, but I think the smaller, more focused "guides" would
>     improve usability
>     I think this is something that the doc editorial board talked
>     about in the past....
>     Regardless, I feel that the inability to produce a PDF guide since
>     1.9 is a major drawback.
>     -R
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>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Xavier de Pedro <mailto:xavier.depedro@...>
>         *To:* Tiki developers
>         <mailto:tikiwiki-devel@...>
>         *Sent:* Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:00 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Tiki-devel] New forum post in (Documentation)
>         by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...
>
>         He he, "THE" (huge) structure in doc.t.o:
>
>         http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC
>
>         I had similar failure when I tried days ago, in my case, never
>         ending loop to Sharethis it seems (I have to try again after
>         disabling that plugin)
>
>         Xavi
>
>
>         On 02/02/11 13:18, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
>>         Which structure did you try to print ?
>>
>>         2011/2/2 Carsten Aevermann <carsten@...
>>         <mailto:carsten@...>>
>>
>>             Hi Changi67,
>>             tried printing the doc from
>>             https://docprint.tiki.org/tiki-print_pages.php several
>>             times with no
>>             success. Using Win or Linux and Chrome or FF.
>>             Last try today aborted (started 12:01) at 1205 multiple
>>             occurrence (19
>>             times in one page) of "An error occurred while... things
>>             to check..."
>>             page. Previous attempts aborted or did not finish within
>>             an hour.
>>
>>             Hope that someone else had more luck.
>>
>>             Greetings from Germany
>>             Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             Am Donnerstag, den 27.01.2011, 21:42 +0100 schrieb
>>             Jean-François BILGER:
>>             > You could try https://docprint.tiki.org
>>             >
>>             >
>>             > Changi
>>             >
>>             > 2011/1/12 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...
>>             <mailto:xavier.depedro@...>>
>>             >         +1 to try this workaround, changi!
>>             >
>>             >         If it works, at least we will be able to
>>             produce some pdf from
>>             >         time to time out of the "comprehensive
>>             handbook" of Tiki
>>             >         documentation (the
>>             "http://doc.tiki.org/Documentation+TOC"
>>             >         structure)
>>             >
>>             >         Thanks
>>             >
>>             >         Xavi
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >
>>             >         On 11/01/11 22:21, Jean-François BILGER wrote:
>>             > > Hi Xavi and carsten
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > > Another possibility is to get the dump of
>>             doc.tiki.org <http://doc.tiki.org> and
>>             > > build it on another website.
>>             > > I can create a superdoc.tiki.org
>>             <http://superdoc.tiki.org> with only admin acces and
>>             > > lots of ram and time to build.
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > > Changi
>>             > >
>>             > > 2011/1/11 Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...
>>             <mailto:xavier.depedro@...>>
>>             > >         Changi, what shall we do with this?
>>             > >         (Cc Carsten)
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053
>>             <https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?topics_offset=1&forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053>
>>             > >
>>             > >         We should be able to use these offers of people
>>             > >         willing to produce a new pdf from time to time...
>>             > >
>>             > >         But I don't know what's the best way...
>>             > >
>>             > >         Xavi
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > >         -------- Original Message --------
>>             > >                          Subject:
>>             > >         New forum post in by Brian
>>             > >         Merritt: Re: Printing
>>             > >         Tiki...
>>             > >                             Date:
>>             > >         Tue, 11 Jan 2011 08:58:56
>>             > >         +0100 (CET)
>>             > >                             From:
>>             > > noc@... <mailto:noc@...>
>>             > >                         Reply-To:
>>             > > noc@... <mailto:noc@...>
>>             > >                               To:
>>             > > xavier.depedro@... <mailto:xavier.depedro@...>
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > >         "Brian Merritt" has posted a reply to a
>>             thread you're watching.
>>             > >         You can view the thread and reply at the
>>             following URL:
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053#threadId2
>>             <https://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?forumId=2&comments_parentId=40053#threadId2>
>>             > >
>>             > >         Message:
>>             > >        
>>             ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             > >         one possible temporary fix would be to stop
>>             users accessing the DOC server, and an admin doing the
>>             print once a quarter, and then pdf the output.
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > >         or give me admin rights, and I will do it for
>>             you - Tiki pastes incredibly well into Word 2010 ;-)
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > > --
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>>             > > - http://tiki.org
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Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...

As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on some of my ideas.

OLD: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32

CURRENT:  http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide

Things I like:
- Shorter pages are more inviting
- Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page -> Tab)

Thinks I don't like
- Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it directly, Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
- I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure. Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to want to print a specific version


Comments?

-R


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  Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
  Subject: [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]


  There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here: http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp

  Please take a look...

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you mean like this ?
http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-print.php?page_ref_id=3615&page=General%20Settings&cookietab=2

On 02/11/2011 01:14 AM, Rick Sapir wrote:
> - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the
> structure. Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is
> going to want to print a specific version
>

That's just for that single page. But I (and other end-users) are going to want to print the entire structure. The print_pages.php  makes no allowances for tabs (or language, but that's a separate issue)

Need to define a tabset by name -- not by cookietab (because not all pages have the same number of tabs). For example, "5.x" mightbe tab #3 on page Foo, but tab #2 on page Bar.

I'm finding lots of "opportunities" to improve Tiki structures...

-R

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  Subject: Re: [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal


  you mean like this ?
  http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-print.php?page_ref_id=3615&page=General%20Settings&cookietab=2

  On 02/11/2011 01:14 AM, Rick Sapir wrote: 
    - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure. Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to want to print a specific version



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Thanks Rick!
I follow below inline...

On 11/02/11 01:14, Rick Sapir wrote:
> Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
> As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on 
> some of my ideas.
> OLD: 
> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32 
> <http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32>
> CURRENT: 
> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide 
> <http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide>
> Things I like:
> - Shorter pages are more inviting
Yes, I agree, while I agree that we should keep the "Tiki Reference 
Guide" as an "extensive" Tiki Reference Guide: so if pages are made 
shorter, the content removed from one page (if not a duplication, etc.) 
should be kept somewhere else (in another page of the same single Tiki 
Reference Guide). So that if we made a single search somewhere (lets 
say, not google, but doc.t.o respecting permissions, you get anything 
and everything documented about it).

And the downside of making pages so smaller, is that user has to click 
more times (and wait more for server response after each click) than if 
you have more (related) content in one page. (like in your example: al 
tabs from General Admin panel in one page instead of in many different 
smaller wiki pages).

Imho, the nice thing would be to have the former content in one page, 
but hidden/splitted by default by tabs or fade plugin, etc., provided 
that at print time (read: print to pdf, for instance) all that content 
previously in tabs or hidden in fadeplugin calls, is shown by default 
with one single click for the whole structure. Otherwise, I vote to keep 
content clear in pages (only splitted in tabs by Tiki version, like we 
currently have).

> - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page 
> -> Tab)
> Thinks I don't like
> - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it 
> directly, Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore 
> the {TOC} is empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See 
> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
Oups, another downside of the refactoring you suggest, then...
> - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the 
> structure. Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is 
> going to want to print a specific version
>
Yes, we have been needing this feature improvement for a few years 
already for us as a community... and for any community  aiming to use 
tiki to document anything which has versions / branches / models 
slightly different from a master one but too related to have content in 
different wiki pages without too much duplication of content.

Xavi

> Comments?
> -R
>
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>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Rick Sapir <mailto:rick.sapir@...>
>     *To:* Tiki developers <mailto:tikiwiki-devel@...>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
>     *Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
>     in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
>
>     There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on
>     doc.t.o would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal
>     here: http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
>     Please take a look...
>     -R
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Oups, and btw, this page:
http://doc.tiki.org/General+Preferences&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide#content3 
<http://doc.tiki.org/General+Preferences&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide#content3>
has broken display (under Chrome, at least):
no side columns are shown, and tabs can not be switched.

while the next one in the structure is shown fine and tabs work:
http://doc.tiki.org/General+Settings&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide 
<http://doc.tiki.org/General+Settings&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide>

(I dunno why, when clicking at the tabs of the second page, there is no 
#contentX at the url, but in the first page it is added to the url...)

Xavi



On 11/02/11 01:14, Rick Sapir wrote:
> Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
> As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on 
> some of my ideas.
> OLD: 
> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32 
> <http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32>
> CURRENT: 
> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide 
> <http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide>
> Things I like:
> - Shorter pages are more inviting
> - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page 
> -> Tab)
> Thinks I don't like
> - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it 
> directly, Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore 
> the {TOC} is empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See 
> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
> - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the 
> structure. Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is 
> going to want to print a specific version
> Comments?
> -R
>
> ---
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>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Rick Sapir <mailto:rick.sapir@...>
>     *To:* Tiki developers <mailto:tikiwiki-devel@...>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
>     *Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
>     in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
>
>     There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on
>     doc.t.o would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal
>     here: http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
>     Please take a look...
>     -R
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I mostly question the need to document each of those options individually
with their location in the admin menu. Most of those options can now be
documented and translated in the code. Quite a few don't yet have a full
description, but they can be documented in the application itself.

I thought that one of the goal of the structure was to be more task-oriented
and explain what the options are for in a context.

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On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Xavier de Pedro <xavier.depedro@...:

>  Oups, and btw, this page:
>
> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Preferences&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide#content3
> has broken display (under Chrome, at least):
> no side columns are shown, and tabs can not be switched.
>
> while the next one in the structure is shown fine and tabs work:
> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Settings&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>
> (I dunno why, when clicking at the tabs of the second page, there is no
> #contentX at the url, but in the first page it is added to the url...)
>
> Xavi
>
>
>
>
> On 11/02/11 01:14, Rick Sapir wrote:
>
>  Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
>
>  As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on some
> of my ideas.
>
>  OLD:
> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32
>
>  CURRENT:
> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>
>  Things I like:
>  - Shorter pages are more inviting
>  - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page ->
> Tab)
>
>  Thinks I don't like
>  - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it directly,
> Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
> empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
>  - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure.
> Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to want to
> print a specific version
>
>
>  Comments?
>
>  -R
>
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> *To:* Tiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
> *Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
> in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
>
>  There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o
> would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
> http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
>  Please take a look...
>
>  -R
>
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Below, inline...

On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:29:32 -0500, Louis-Philippe Huberdeau
<lphuberdeau@...> wrote:
> I mostly question the need to document each of those options
individually
> with their location in the admin menu. Most of those options can now be
> documented and translated in the code. Quite a few don't yet have a full
> description, but they can be documented in the application itself.
>

The Tiki User Guide (http://tiki.org/doctwo+Revamp#Tiki_User_Guide) will
be task-based, as will the Admin guide. The Reference guide is just that --
a refernce for each Tiki feature.

Documenting the items within the code is great... *IF* we can figure out a
way to "share" this info with the doc.t.o site... Maybe it could be
externalized (similar to the translation server) then updated to the code?
I don't know... but I agree that we should work smarter to avoid
duplication.


> 
> I thought that one of the goal of the structure was to be more
> task-oriented
> and explain what the options are for in a context.
> 

The goal for the Reference guide (see
http://tiki.org/doctwo+Revamp#Tiki_Reference_Guide) is to fully document
each option.

A secondary goal of all the Guides/structures is to allow for
printing/PDFing. We have not produced a Tiki guide since 1.9. :(




> --
> LP
> 
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Xavier de Pedro
> <xavier.depedro@...:
> 
>>  Oups, and btw, this page:
>>
>>
http://doc.tiki.org/General+Preferences&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide#content3
>> has broken display (under Chrome, at least):
>> no side columns are shown, and tabs can not be switched.
>>
>> while the next one in the structure is shown fine and tabs work:
>> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Settings&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>>
>> (I dunno why, when clicking at the tabs of the second page, there is no
>> #contentX at the url, but in the first page it is added to the url...)
>>
>> Xavi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/02/11 01:14, Rick Sapir wrote:
>>
>>  Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
>>
>>  As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on
some
>> of my ideas.
>>
>>  OLD:
>> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32
>>
>>  CURRENT:
>> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>>
>>  Things I like:
>>  - Shorter pages are more inviting
>>  - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page
->
>> Tab)
>>
>>  Thinks I don't like
>>  - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it
>>  directly,
>> Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
>> empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
>> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
>>  - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the
>>  structure.
>> Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to
>> want to
>> print a specific version
>>
>>
>>  Comments?
>>
>>  -R
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...>
>> *To:* Tiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
>> *Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
>> in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
>>
>>  There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on
>>  doc.t.o
>> would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
>> http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
>>  Please take a look...
>>
>>  -R
>>
>> ---
>> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>>

Hi Rick,

good stuff, i like the direction. as REM says "silence means approval" :P

++good on the structure nav. Maybe not at the bottom though.

I am thinking that a chronic problem with docs has been a little too
much visual clutter. I momentarily toyed with the idea of "what if get
rid of the RH column?", but there is much there that is useful for
navigation

But

It is only really useful at navigation Hubs and the top of structures,
so what if we reserved the RH modules for only a select list of pages.

Keywords might also be a main menu item


MLP


On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...> wrote:
> Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
>
> As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on some of
> my ideas.
>
> OLD: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32
>
> CURRENT:  http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>
> Things I like:
> - Shorter pages are more inviting
> - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page ->
> Tab)
>
> Thinks I don't like
> - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it directly,
> Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
> empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
> - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure.
> Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to want to
> print a specific version
>
>
> Comments?
>
> -R
>
> ---
> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Sapir
> To: Tiki developers
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
> Subject: [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
> in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
> There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o
> would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
> http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
> Please take a look...
>
> -R
>
> ---
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>
> ________________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources
> and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's
> connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these
> rules translate into the virtual world?
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb
>
> ________________________________
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> Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen.
> Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle.
> Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance.
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Hello LP,

also below inline...

Am 11.02.2011 15:43, schrieb rick.sapir@...:
> Below, inline...
> 
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:29:32 -0500, Louis-Philippe Huberdeau
> <lphuberdeau@...> wrote:
>> I mostly question the need to document each of those options
> individually
>> with their location in the admin menu. Most of those options can now be
>> documented and translated in the code. Quite a few don't yet have a full
>> description, but they can be documented in the application itself.
>>
> 
> The Tiki User Guide (http://tiki.org/doctwo+Revamp#Tiki_User_Guide) will
> be task-based, as will the Admin guide. The Reference guide is just that --
> a refernce for each Tiki feature.
> 
> Documenting the items within the code is great... *IF* we can figure out a
> way to "share" this info with the doc.t.o site... Maybe it could be
> externalized (similar to the translation server) then updated to the code?
> I don't know... but I agree that we should work smarter to avoid
> duplication.

I usually use PHPDOC (http://www.phpdoc.org/) to document inline (did
that on the accounting stuff in trunk as well). It is LGPL and available
via PEAR, so we could even incorporate it into tiki for some automagic
"generate new doc each time we upgrade"
> 
> 
>>
>> I thought that one of the goal of the structure was to be more
>> task-oriented
>> and explain what the options are for in a context.
>>
> 
> The goal for the Reference guide (see
> http://tiki.org/doctwo+Revamp#Tiki_Reference_Guide) is to fully document
> each option.
> 
> A secondary goal of all the Guides/structures is to allow for
> printing/PDFing. We have not produced a Tiki guide since 1.9. :(
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> --
>> LP
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Xavier de Pedro
>> <xavier.depedro@...:
>>
>>>  Oups, and btw, this page:
>>>
>>>
> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Preferences&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide#content3
>>> has broken display (under Chrome, at least):
>>> no side columns are shown, and tabs can not be switched.
>>>
>>> while the next one in the structure is shown fine and tabs work:
>>> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Settings&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>>>
>>> (I dunno why, when clicking at the tabs of the second page, there is no
>>> #contentX at the url, but in the first page it is added to the url...)
>>>
>>> Xavi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/02/11 01:14, Rick Sapir wrote:
>>>
>>>  Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
>>>
>>>  As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on
> some
>>> of my ideas.
>>>
>>>  OLD:
>>> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32
>>>
>>>  CURRENT:
>>> http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>>>
>>>  Things I like:
>>>  - Shorter pages are more inviting
>>>  - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page
> ->
>>> Tab)
>>>
>>>  Thinks I don't like
>>>  - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it
>>>  directly,
>>> Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
>>> empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
>>> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
>>>  - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the
>>>  structure.
>>> Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to
>>> want to
>>> print a specific version
>>>
>>>
>>>  Comments?
>>>
>>>  -R
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...>
>>> *To:* Tiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
>>> *Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
>>> in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
>>>
>>>  There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on
>>>  doc.t.o
>>> would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
>>> http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
>>>  Please take a look...
>>>
>>>  -R
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>>>
> 
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Here's the revamp discussion from a while back regarding the layout: 
http://tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=doctwo%20Revamp&pagenum=2#Home_Page_Completed_mdash_Feb_26_2009

I agree with you that the pages are way too busy.


-R

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Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal


Hi Rick,

good stuff, i like the direction. as REM says "silence means approval" :P

++good on the structure nav. Maybe not at the bottom though.

I am thinking that a chronic problem with docs has been a little too
much visual clutter. I momentarily toyed with the idea of "what if get
rid of the RH column?", but there is much there that is useful for
navigation

But

It is only really useful at navigation Hubs and the top of structures,
so what if we reserved the RH modules for only a select list of pages.

Keywords might also be a main menu item


MLP


On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...> 
wrote:
> Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
>
> As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on some 
> of
> my ideas.
>
> OLD: 
> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32
>
> CURRENT: http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>
> Things I like:
> - Shorter pages are more inviting
> - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page ->
> Tab)
>
> Thinks I don't like
> - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it directly,
> Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
> empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
> - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure.
> Because each page's tabset has different name... A user is going to want 
> to
> print a specific version
>
>
> Comments?
>
> -R
>
> ---
> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick Sapir
> To: Tiki developers
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
> Subject: [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
> in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
> There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o
> would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
> http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
> Please take a look...
>
> -R
>
> ---
> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>
> ________________________________
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources
> and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical 
> server's
> connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these
> rules translate into the virtual world?
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb
>
> ________________________________
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> Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen.
> Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle.
> Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb
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Overall I think it's a great idea come up with a format for documenting
reference info to organize the information more compactly and differentiate
versions. I also agree with the focus on adding task-oriented documentation.

I like the ideas behind this particular proposal, I'm not sure the benefits
outweigh the (unfortunate) drawbacks you've pointed out. Changes along the
lines of what xavi has mentioned might have fewer drawbacks. For the {TOC}
problem, might consider using page breaks and {maketoc}. Couple of more
minor personal preferences: for images that need to be enlarged to see them,
I personally prefer mouseover to save clicks opening and closing; not crazy
about nav bar at the bottom for some reason (maybe it's the formatting -
perhaps a horizontal line over it).

As far as drawing on the code, just want to point out that PluginManager has
been improved to do that for single plugins and modules (beginning with 6.2
for modules). This has been used on the doc site already for some plugins. I
know that doesn't help with other areas and the code is quite a mess so I'm
not holding it out as a template, but just so people know it's out there.

My 2 cents. Thank you for driving the discussion!
Regards,
lindon

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...:

>  Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
>
> As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on some of
> my ideas.
>
> OLD:
> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32
>
> CURRENT:  http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>
> Things I like:
> - Shorter pages are more inviting
> - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page ->
> Tab)
>
> Thinks I don't like
> - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it directly,
> Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
> empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
> - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure.
> Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to want to
> print a specific version
>
>
> Comments?
>
> -R
>
>
> ---
> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...>
> *To:* Tiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
> *Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
> in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
>
> There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o
> would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
> http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
> Please take a look...
>
> -R
>
> ---
> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources
> and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's
> connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these
> rules translate into the virtual world?
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb
>
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> Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen.
> Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle.
> Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance.
> http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb
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>

Related to this topic, I think 2.x, 3.x, 4.x and 5.x info can be phased
out.  Only 6.xLTS and 7.x should be kept.

On 2011-02-10 7:14 PM, "Rick Sapir" <rick.sapir@...> wrote:

 Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...

As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on some of
my ideas.

OLD: http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32

CURRENT:  http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide

Things I like:
- Shorter pages are more inviting
- Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page ->
Tab)

Thinks I don't like
- Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it directly,
Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
- I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure.
Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to want to
print a specific version


Comments?

-R


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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...>
*To:* Tiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
*Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
*Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]

There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o
would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
Please take a look...

-R

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Good idea Marc - it would be very helpful to be able to clear out older
version info.

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Marc Laporte <marc@...> wrote:

> Related to this topic, I think 2.x, 3.x, 4.x and 5.x info can be phased
> out.  Only 6.xLTS and 7.x should be kept.
>
> On 2011-02-10 7:14 PM, "Rick Sapir" <rick.sapir@...> wrote:
>
>  Not too many comments, so I thought I'd share...
>
> As a "proof of concept", I re-did the Admin: General pages based on some of
> my ideas.
>
> OLD:
> http://doc.tiki.org/tiki-pagehistory.php?page=General+Admin&preview=32
>
> CURRENT:  http://doc.tiki.org/General+Admin&structure=Tiki+Reference+Guide
>
> Things I like:
> - Shorter pages are more inviting
> - Structure breadcrumbs help you see "where you are" (Feature -> Page ->
> Tab)
>
> Thinks I don't like
> - Since the page belongs to multiple structures, if you open it directly,
> Tiki does not include it in a default structure. Therefore the {TOC} is
> empty (instead of showing the page's tabs). See
> http://dev.tiki.org/tiki-view_tracker_item.php?itemId=3789 for details.
> - I don't know how to specify a specific TAB when printing the structure.
> Because each page's tabset has different name...  A user is going to want to
> print a specific version
>
>
> Comments?
>
> -R
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Sapir <rick.sapir@...>
> *To:* Tiki developers <tikiwiki-devel@...>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 04, 2011 4:56 PM
> *Subject:* [Tiki-devel] Doc Revamp Proposal [Was: New forum post
> in(Documentation) by Brian Merritt: Re: Printing Tiki...]
>
> There seems to be agreement that a reorg of the actual content on doc.t.o
> would be a "good thing." As such, I've started a proposal here:
> http://tiki.org/tiki-editpage.php?page=doctwo+Revamp
> Please take a look...
>
> -R
>
> ---
> Greetings from Sanford, NC, USA!
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