On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 16:31:31 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri <vtorri@...>
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2011, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:30:24 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri <vtorri@...>
> > said:
> > never used it. never have used it. any new tool WILL result in there being
> > errors. so you're a bit optimistic.
> It's not a new tool (you didn't even check when it has been written
> otherwise you would not say that).
it's a new tool - i had to apt-get install it. hell - it isnt even obvious as
to HOW to use it.
moap changelog ... now what? diiff? what has a diff got to do with a changelog?
checkin? checkin files LISTED in the changelog wtf? it wants to force us to
LISt SPECIFIC FILES changed? hell no. changelog != svn log.
it's a new tool. it will screw things up because it hasnt been used before and
ITS idea of what is in a changelog will not match those that i think should be
any new tool is going to not just magically solve everything with a silver
bullet. you say it will. i disagree.
> I use it (for Evil, Epdf, Edvi or Eps, see their ChangeLog...).
> gstreamer guys use it for years for example.
> I'm not optimistic, I'm pragmatic.
> > i don't see that its necessarily needed. i
> > hate to en-masse fix 8 projects up and their changelogs - yes. things needed
> > work. it's all in place now.changelog entry was wrong only because starting
> > entry was wrong.
> and for future entries, you are 100% sure that the date will be correct
> (wrong months or year, like today) ? You are 100% sure that you will not
> forget the author of the patch ? The tool adds the date for you, there is
> a big reminder (you can't miss it) to add the author of the patch, etc...
> As an analogy, that tool is for changelog what a VCS is for development.
> (A VCS does plenty of useful stuff for you, instead of doing all the code
> on your hard disk, sharing tarballs by ftp with other devs)
> But you just don't want to use it, whatever I will say anyway. I stop
> arguying, i can't find more arguments (arguments that I find quite
i don't want to use it because it gets in my way. i don't want to use it
because it adds complexity to a simple "open changelog in editor and edit". i
have to figure out how the hell to use it and make it happy. it's a learning
curve when i am in the middle of something which i can accomplish much more
simply. it's NOT a silver bullet. you act like it is. all it will do is stop me
from getting something done as i have to figure out how to make it happy.
> >> Hey,
> >> raster, you did an error on the date in the ChangeLog. Again, i tell you:
> >> use moap. With moap:
> >> * you can't forget to update the ChangeLog (if necessary)
> >> * you can't make an error on the date
> >> * you can't make an error on the author of the patch or forget to add it
> >> * you can't forget to commit one file (you still can forget to add
> >> a file though)
> >> without it or without another similar tool, well, you can have these
> >> problems
> >> Vincent
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