jOrgan

Hi Tom,

This weekend I will write the instructions on how to get multiple
cards working using Jack and fluidsynth (regardless of if they are
soundblaster or not). If you're interested in using the soundblaster
onboard soundfont player with jOrgan then you'll have to wait a while
longer as there are only fluidsynth dispositions in jOrgan Pup.

There is not much detailed documentation on Jack, which is why I write
stuff for people to follow :)  Then I find that other projects point
to my work for the explanations...

All the best,
GrahamG

Hi Graham,

Do you know if it is possible to get Jack working on a remote server, 
i.e. having jOrgan on an machine without a physical soundcard sending 
its output over the network to another machine with a card?

Jan

On 2011-01-28 15:38, Graham Goode wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> This weekend I will write the instructions on how to get multiple
> cards working using Jack and fluidsynth (regardless of if they are
> soundblaster or not). If you're interested in using the soundblaster
> onboard soundfont player with jOrgan then you'll have to wait a while
> longer as there are only fluidsynth dispositions in jOrgan Pup.
>
> There is not much detailed documentation on Jack, which is why I write
> stuff for people to follow :)  Then I find that other projects point
> to my work for the explanations...
>
> All the best,
> GrahamG
>
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Hi Jan,

Yes, this is possible using the NetJack driver, it will send Jack
Audio over the network to another Jack server and then on to the audio
card.

I have not done it myself, but I know some people who have, so once I
have the multicard configuration done I'll see about this one.

Nice idea :)

GrahamG

--------------

Hi Graham,

Do you know if it is possible to get Jack working on a remote server,
i.e. having jOrgan on an machine without a physical soundcard sending
its output over the network to another machine with a card?

Jan

I do this all the time, since my audio system and main organ computer are in the 
basement.  Therefore experimenting with new thinks on a laptop I get the midi 
into jOrgan using the jOrgan LAN extension and put sound out over netjack.  The 
best description of how to get netjack working is here:

http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/NetJack2

This same link shows the basic technique of getting mutliple sound cards working 
with Jack.

Dave Gritter





________________________________
From: Jan Hartmann <j.l.h.hartmann@...>
To: jorgan-user@...
Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 8:56:28 AM
Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] Soundblaster config, multiple cards

 Hi Graham,

Do you know if it is possible to get Jack working on a remote       server, i.e. 
having jOrgan on an machine without a physical       soundcard sending its 
output over the network to another machine       with a card?

Jan

On 2011-01-28 15:38, Graham Goode wrote: 
Hi Tom,  This weekend I will write the instructions on how to get multiple cards 
working using Jack and fluidsynth (regardless of if they are soundblaster or 
not). If you're interested in using the soundblaster onboard soundfont player 
with jOrgan then you'll have to wait a while longer as there are only fluidsynth 
dispositions in jOrgan Pup.  There is not much detailed documentation on Jack, 
which is why I write stuff for people to follow :)  Then I find that other 
projects point to my work for the explanations...  All the best, GrahamG  
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tomkarches wrote:
> 
> My main issue is how to do the actual configuration in Jack. I'm not sure
> how the connections need to be made, and have not found any documentation
> that is specific enough to make progress.
> 

While I have not used multiple cards myself yet (only recently purchased a
second card), this link may be helpful until GrahamG has time to put
something online:
http://jackaudio.org/multiple_devices http://jackaudio.org/multiple_devices 

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    Somewhere in this discussion of multiple soundcards and computers I
    get the feeling that there is a solution to something that I would
    like to do:<br>
    <br>
    I have one high spec computer (A) running a big disposition and
    connected to my main organ console (and reasonable speaker system).
    In another room I am playing with another console. Can I plug the
    2nd console into a very low-spec computer (B) who's only job is to
    collect the MIDI messages and relay them to A which then does the
    high-intensity CPU work of the sound production?<br>
    <br>
    A and B are both connected to my household LAN. What is the minimum
    sort of software necessary on B? Is anyone doing this, and could
    they give a quick outline of how?<br>
    <br>
    Cheers,<br>
    Matt<br>
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Yes, Matt, you certainly can do what you are describing.

First, let me point out that jOrgan itself cannot completely provide the solution because 
its LAN Extension only *sends* outbound MIDI data FROM jOrgan into the LAN.  In order to 
RECEIVE MIDI data over the LAN you need a software tool like "multimicast". (Search for it 
on the internet.  It's free!)

So...since you will need multimicast to send the MIDI from your low-spec computer, and 
since jOrgan cannot presently take MIDI input from the LAN directly, you will need to 
install the Multimicast software on both computers -- one instance to send over the LAN 
from the low spec computer, and one copy to receive from the LAN at the high spec computer.

You will also need to install a virtual MIDI patch cable software driver (like Midi-Yoke 
or LoopBe or Maple or another good one whose name escapes me at the moment) on the high 
spec computer where jOrgan is running, in order to connect the MIDI output of 
Multimidicast to the MIDI Keyboard elements in jOrgan.

Depending on how you hook up the MIDI devices in the low spec computer, you MAY need to 
install the virtual MIDI patch cable driver there as well.

CLW
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On 2/1/2011 2:29 PM, Matt Pestle wrote:
> Somewhere in this discussion of multiple soundcards and computers I get the
> feeling that there is a solution to something that I would like to do:
>
> I have one high spec computer (A) running a big disposition and connected to my
> main organ console (and reasonable speaker system). In another room I am playing
> with another console. Can I plug the 2nd console into a very low-spec computer
> (B) who's only job is to collect the MIDI messages and relay them to A which
> then does the high-intensity CPU work of the sound production?
>
> A and B are both connected to my household LAN. What is the minimum sort of
> software necessary on B? Is anyone doing this, and could they give a quick
> outline of how?

Thanks for the explanation Lynn. It's sounding promising.

Can anybody recommend a "virtual MIDI patch cable software driver" 
that's proven in the Linux world?


On 02/02/11 08:51, Lynn Walls wrote:
> Yes, Matt, you certainly can do what you are describing.
>
> First, let me point out that jOrgan itself cannot completely provide the solution because
> its LAN Extension only *sends* outbound MIDI data FROM jOrgan into the LAN.  In order to
> RECEIVE MIDI data over the LAN you need a software tool like "multimicast". (Search for it
> on the internet.  It's free!)
>
> So...since you will need multimicast to send the MIDI from your low-spec computer, and
> since jOrgan cannot presently take MIDI input from the LAN directly, you will need to
> install the Multimicast software on both computers -- one instance to send over the LAN
> from the low spec computer, and one copy to receive from the LAN at the high spec computer.
>
> You will also need to install a virtual MIDI patch cable software driver (like Midi-Yoke
> or LoopBe or Maple or another good one whose name escapes me at the moment) on the high
> spec computer where jOrgan is running, in order to connect the MIDI output of
> Multimidicast to the MIDI Keyboard elements in jOrgan.
>
> Depending on how you hook up the MIDI devices in the low spec computer, you MAY need to
> install the virtual MIDI patch cable driver there as well.
>
> CLW
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 2/1/2011 2:29 PM, Matt Pestle wrote:
>> Somewhere in this discussion of multiple soundcards and computers I get the
>> feeling that there is a solution to something that I would like to do:
>>
>> I have one high spec computer (A) running a big disposition and connected to my
>> main organ console (and reasonable speaker system). In another room I am playing
>> with another console. Can I plug the 2nd console into a very low-spec computer
>> (B) who's only job is to collect the MIDI messages and relay them to A which
>> then does the high-intensity CPU work of the sound production?
>>
>> A and B are both connected to my household LAN. What is the minimum sort of
>> software necessary on B? Is anyone doing this, and could they give a quick
>> outline of how?
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The built-in ALSA virmidi driver works perfectly.  ("sudo modprobe
snd-virmidi" from the command line, or put "modprobe snd-virmidi" in
/etc/rc.local)

If both computers run Linux, then aseqnet may be an option for you, and
might even already be installed.  It only works with ALSA on Linux, but it
might be more convenient.

- Greg


On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Matt Pestle <matt.pestle@...:

> Thanks for the explanation Lynn. It's sounding promising.
>
> Can anybody recommend a "virtual MIDI patch cable software driver"
> that's proven in the Linux world?
>
>
> On 02/02/11 08:51, Lynn Walls wrote:
> > Yes, Matt, you certainly can do what you are describing.
> >
> > First, let me point out that jOrgan itself cannot completely provide the
> solution because
> > its LAN Extension only *sends* outbound MIDI data FROM jOrgan into the
> LAN.  In order to
> > RECEIVE MIDI data over the LAN you need a software tool like
> "multimicast". (Search for it
> > on the internet.  It's free!)
> >
> > So...since you will need multimicast to send the MIDI from your low-spec
> computer, and
> > since jOrgan cannot presently take MIDI input from the LAN directly, you
> will need to
> > install the Multimicast software on both computers -- one instance to
> send over the LAN
> > from the low spec computer, and one copy to receive from the LAN at the
> high spec computer.
> >
> > You will also need to install a virtual MIDI patch cable software driver
> (like Midi-Yoke
> > or LoopBe or Maple or another good one whose name escapes me at the
> moment) on the high
> > spec computer where jOrgan is running, in order to connect the MIDI
> output of
> > Multimidicast to the MIDI Keyboard elements in jOrgan.
> >
> > Depending on how you hook up the MIDI devices in the low spec computer,
> you MAY need to
> > install the virtual MIDI patch cable driver there as well.
> >
> > CLW
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On 2/1/2011 2:29 PM, Matt Pestle wrote:
> >> Somewhere in this discussion of multiple soundcards and computers I get
> the
> >> feeling that there is a solution to something that I would like to do:
> >>
> >> I have one high spec computer (A) running a big disposition and
> connected to my
> >> main organ console (and reasonable speaker system). In another room I am
> playing
> >> with another console. Can I plug the 2nd console into a very low-spec
> computer
> >> (B) who's only job is to collect the MIDI messages and relay them to A
> which
> >> then does the high-intensity CPU work of the sound production?
> >>
> >> A and B are both connected to my household LAN. What is the minimum sort
> of
> >> software necessary on B? Is anyone doing this, and could they give a
> quick
> >> outline of how?
> >
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Hi Lynn,

I remember you reporting a problem with jOrgan's LAN input, but here 
*receiving* Midi data from LAN works equally well.

Regards

Sven

On 02/01/2011 08:51 PM, Lynn Walls wrote:
> Yes, Matt, you certainly can do what you are describing.
>
> First, let me point out that jOrgan itself cannot completely provide the solution because
> its LAN Extension only *sends* outbound MIDI data FROM jOrgan into the LAN.  In order to
> RECEIVE MIDI data over the LAN you need a software tool like "multimicast". (Search for it
> on the internet.  It's free!)
>
> So...since you will need multimicast to send the MIDI from your low-spec computer, and
> since jOrgan cannot presently take MIDI input from the LAN directly, you will need to
> install the Multimicast software on both computers -- one instance to send over the LAN
> from the low spec computer, and one copy to receive from the LAN at the high spec computer.
>
> You will also need to install a virtual MIDI patch cable software driver (like Midi-Yoke
> or LoopBe or Maple or another good one whose name escapes me at the moment) on the high
> spec computer where jOrgan is running, in order to connect the MIDI output of
> Multimidicast to the MIDI Keyboard elements in jOrgan.
>
> Depending on how you hook up the MIDI devices in the low spec computer, you MAY need to
> install the virtual MIDI patch cable driver there as well.
>
> CLW
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 2/1/2011 2:29 PM, Matt Pestle wrote:
>> Somewhere in this discussion of multiple soundcards and computers I get the
>> feeling that there is a solution to something that I would like to do:
>>
>> I have one high spec computer (A) running a big disposition and connected to my
>> main organ console (and reasonable speaker system). In another room I am playing
>> with another console. Can I plug the 2nd console into a very low-spec computer
>> (B) who's only job is to collect the MIDI messages and relay them to A which
>> then does the high-intensity CPU work of the sound production?
>>
>> A and B are both connected to my household LAN. What is the minimum sort of
>> software necessary on B? Is anyone doing this, and could they give a quick
>> outline of how?
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Sven,

I tried to test jOrgan LAN input again, and again, no luck.  On the remote computer I 
started multimidicast with -in0 referencing the MIDI keyboard.  On the jOrgan computer I 
defined the Keyboard element's Input property as "jOrgan LAN 1".  No input was detected. 
Then I restarted multimidicast on the remote computer using -in1.  Still no input detected 
by jOrgan.  Then I configured TWO LAN devices on the jOrgan side and tried alternately 
-in0, -in1, and -in2 on the multimidicast side.  Still no MIDI input detected at the 
jOrgan Keyboard element.

If I start an instance of multimidicast on the jOrgan computer, the input across the LAN 
from the remote computer is detected just fine.  But in this situation I have to use 
virtual MIDI patch cable device as the jOrgan Keyboard element Input property.  I really 
wanted to use the "jOrgan LAN" device directly...but it just doesn't want to get MIDI data 
directly from the remote multimidicast sender.

Is there some special way the jOrgan LAN input device needs to be configured in order to 
interface with multimidicast running on a remote computer?

jOrgan LAN output going to an instance of multimidicast on the remote computer works just 
fine.

Lynn
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 2/1/2011 5:42 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
> Hi Lynn,
>
> I remember you reporting a problem with jOrgan's LAN input, but here
> *receiving* Midi data from LAN works equally well.
>
> Regards
>
> Sven
>
> On 02/01/2011 08:51 PM, Lynn Walls wrote:
>> Yes, Matt, you certainly can do what you are describing.
>>
>> First, let me point out that jOrgan itself cannot completely provide the solution because
>> its LAN Extension only *sends* outbound MIDI data FROM jOrgan into the LAN.  In order to
>> RECEIVE MIDI data over the LAN you need a software tool like "multimicast". (Search for it
>> on the internet.  It's free!)
>>
>> So...since you will need multimicast to send the MIDI from your low-spec computer, and
>> since jOrgan cannot presently take MIDI input from the LAN directly, you will need to
>> install the Multimicast software on both computers -- one instance to send over the LAN
>> from the low spec computer, and one copy to receive from the LAN at the high spec computer.
>>
>> You will also need to install a virtual MIDI patch cable software driver (like Midi-Yoke
>> or LoopBe or Maple or another good one whose name escapes me at the moment) on the high
>> spec computer where jOrgan is running, in order to connect the MIDI output of
>> Multimidicast to the MIDI Keyboard elements in jOrgan.
>>
>> Depending on how you hook up the MIDI devices in the low spec computer, you MAY need to
>> install the virtual MIDI patch cable driver there as well.
>>
>> CLW
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> On 2/1/2011 2:29 PM, Matt Pestle wrote:
>>> Somewhere in this discussion of multiple soundcards and computers I get the
>>> feeling that there is a solution to something that I would like to do:
>>>
>>> I have one high spec computer (A) running a big disposition and connected to my
>>> main organ console (and reasonable speaker system). In another room I am playing
>>> with another console. Can I plug the 2nd console into a very low-spec computer
>>> (B) who's only job is to collect the MIDI messages and relay them to A which
>>> then does the high-intensity CPU work of the sound production?
>>>
>>> A and B are both connected to my household LAN. What is the minimum sort of
>>> software necessary on B? Is anyone doing this, and could they give a quick
>>> outline of how?
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This works:
MIDI keyboard --> multimidicast --> LAN --> multimidicast --> jOrgan Keyboard element via 
virtual patch cable device

This works:
jOrgan LAN extension --> LAN --> multimidicast --> sound module

This does not work:
MIDI keyboard --> multimidicast --> LAN --> jOrgan LAN extension to Keyboard element

Lynn
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sven,

I tried to test jOrgan LAN input again, and again, no luck.  On the remote computer I 
started multimidicast with -in0 referencing the MIDI keyboard.  On the jOrgan computer I 
defined the Keyboard element's Input property as "jOrgan LAN 1".  No input was detected. 
Then I restarted multimidicast on the remote computer using -in1.  Still no input detected 
by jOrgan.  Then I configured TWO LAN devices on the jOrgan side and tried alternately 
-in0, -in1, and -in2 on the multimidicast side.  Still no MIDI input detected at the 
jOrgan Keyboard element.

If I start an instance of multimidicast on the jOrgan computer, the input across the LAN 
from the remote computer is detected just fine.  But in this situation I have to use 
virtual MIDI patch cable device as the jOrgan Keyboard element Input property.  I really 
wanted to use the "jOrgan LAN" device directly...but it just doesn't want to get MIDI data 
directly from the remote multimidicast sender.

Is there some special way the jOrgan LAN input device needs to be configured in order to 
interface with multimidicast running on a remote computer?

jOrgan LAN output going to an instance of multimidicast on the remote computer works just 
fine.

Lynn
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 2/1/2011 5:42 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
> Hi Lynn,
>
> I remember you reporting a problem with jOrgan's LAN input, but here
> *receiving* Midi data from LAN works equally well.
>
> Regards
>
> Sven
>
> On 02/01/2011 08:51 PM, Lynn Walls wrote:
>> Yes, Matt, you certainly can do what you are describing.
>>
>> First, let me point out that jOrgan itself cannot completely provide the solution because
>> its LAN Extension only *sends* outbound MIDI data FROM jOrgan into the LAN.  In order to
>> RECEIVE MIDI data over the LAN you need a software tool like "multimicast". (Search for it
>> on the internet.  It's free!)
>>
>> So...since you will need multimicast to send the MIDI from your low-spec computer, and
>> since jOrgan cannot presently take MIDI input from the LAN directly, you will need to
>> install the Multimicast software on both computers -- one instance to send over the LAN
>> from the low spec computer, and one copy to receive from the LAN at the high spec computer.
>>
>> You will also need to install a virtual MIDI patch cable software driver (like Midi-Yoke
>> or LoopBe or Maple or another good one whose name escapes me at the moment) on the high
>> spec computer where jOrgan is running, in order to connect the MIDI output of
>> Multimidicast to the MIDI Keyboard elements in jOrgan.
>>
>> Depending on how you hook up the MIDI devices in the low spec computer, you MAY need to
>> install the virtual MIDI patch cable driver there as well.
>>
>> CLW
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> On 2/1/2011 2:29 PM, Matt Pestle wrote:
>>> Somewhere in this discussion of multiple soundcards and computers I get the
>>> feeling that there is a solution to something that I would like to do:
>>>
>>> I have one high spec computer (A) running a big disposition and connected to my
>>> main organ console (and reasonable speaker system). In another room I am playing
>>> with another console. Can I plug the 2nd console into a very low-spec computer
>>> (B) who's only job is to collect the MIDI messages and relay them to A which
>>> then does the high-intensity CPU work of the sound production?
>>>
>>> A and B are both connected to my household LAN. What is the minimum sort of
>>> software necessary on B? Is anyone doing this, and could they give a quick
>>> outline of how?
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi Lynn,


lwalls wrote:
> 
> MIDI keyboard --> multimidicast --> LAN --> jOrgan LAN extension to
> Keyboard element
> 

strange, this chain works perfectly fine here on Ubuntu to Ubuntu.

Maybe a firewall issue?

Sven


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No...no firewall involved.  Just Windows/XP computer to Windows/XP computer across 
ethernet switch.  Firewalls disabled on both computers.

Could it be a Windows thing?  Have you tested with Windows?

Lynn
--------------------------------------------

On 2/2/2011 4:32 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
>
> lwalls wrote:
>>
>> MIDI keyboard -->  multimidicast -->  LAN -->  jOrgan LAN extension to
>> Keyboard element
>>
>
> strange, this chain works perfectly fine here on Ubuntu to Ubuntu.
>
> Maybe a firewall issue?
>
> Sven
>
>

And even if a firewall was being used, if it blocked the UDP going to jOrgan it would also 
block the UDP going to multimidicast.  Remember that:

Keyboard -> multimidicast -> LAN -> multimidicast --> virtual midi device --> jOrgan

works.

Only when jOrgan LAN extension tries to read the UDP directly does it fail.

CLW

----------
No...no firewall involved.  Just Windows/XP computer to Windows/XP computer across 
ethernet switch.  Firewalls disabled on both computers.

Could it be a Windows thing?  Have you tested with Windows?

Lynn
--------------------------------------------

On 2/2/2011 4:32 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
>
> lwalls wrote:
>>
>> MIDI keyboard -->  multimidicast -->  LAN -->  jOrgan LAN extension to
>> Keyboard element
>>
>
> strange, this chain works perfectly fine here on Ubuntu to Ubuntu.
>
> Maybe a firewall issue?
>
> Sven
>
>

lynn,  I too use a configuration of organ console midi to multimidicast on one 
computer, and jorgan running on a second computer accepting its midi inputs from 
the LAN extension.   I only recall one time when this didn't work, and that was 
when multimidicast was running on the same computer as Jorgan.  It seems to have 
hogged the UDP data so it didn't get to Jorgan.

Dave Gritter




________________________________
From: Lynn Walls <clwalls@...>
To: jorgan-user@...
Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 4:12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] jOrgan LAN extension

No...no firewall involved.  Just Windows/XP computer to Windows/XP computer 
across 

ethernet switch.  Firewalls disabled on both computers.

Could it be a Windows thing?  Have you tested with Windows?

Lynn
--------------------------------------------

On 2/2/2011 4:32 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
>
> lwalls wrote:
>>
>> MIDI keyboard -->  multimidicast -->  LAN -->  jOrgan LAN extension to
>> Keyboard element
>>
>
> strange, this chain works perfectly fine here on Ubuntu to Ubuntu.
>
> Maybe a firewall issue?
>
> Sven
>
>

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I cannot get jOrgan (v3.12) to receive MIDI directly from the network via the LAN 
extension even with no instance of multimidicast running on the jOrgan computer.  I have 
tried both with and without multimidicast running.  I *have* run multimidicast on the 
jOrgan computer just to verify that the MIDI data is navigating the network correctly and 
not getting blocked somewhere in the network or in lower layers of network software.  But 
whether or not multimidicast is running on the jOrgan computer, the jOrgan LAN extension 
fails to capture the MIDI from the network.

Lynn
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 2/2/2011 8:57 PM, David Gritter wrote:
> lynn,  I too use a configuration of organ console midi to multimidicast on one
> computer, and jorgan running on a second computer accepting its midi inputs from
> the LAN extension.   I only recall one time when this didn't work, and that was
> when multimidicast was running on the same computer as Jorgan.  It seems to have
> hogged the UDP data so it didn't get to Jorgan.
>
> Dave Gritter
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Lynn Walls<clwalls@...>
> To: jorgan-user@...
> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 4:12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [jOrgan-user] jOrgan LAN extension
>
> No...no firewall involved.  Just Windows/XP computer to Windows/XP computer
> across
>
> ethernet switch.  Firewalls disabled on both computers.
>
> Could it be a Windows thing?  Have you tested with Windows?
>
> Lynn
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On 2/2/2011 4:32 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lynn,
>>
>>
>> lwalls wrote:
>>>
>>> MIDI keyboard -->   multimidicast -->   LAN -->   jOrgan LAN extension to
>>> Keyboard element
>>>
>>
>> strange, this chain works perfectly fine here on Ubuntu to Ubuntu.
>>
>> Maybe a firewall issue?
>>
>> Sven
>>
>>
>
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Hi Lynn,

I've uploaded 3.12.1-beta1, fixing a problem in the LAN message receiver.

Could you please give it a try?

Thanks

Sven
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Seems to be working fine!  I've only been playing about 5 minutes...but so far, no problems!

Lynn
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On 2/4/2011 3:34 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
> I've uploaded 3.12.1-beta1, fixing a problem in the LAN message receiver.
>
> Could you please give it a try?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sven

There seems to be an interference effect when using the same LAN number for both input 
from the network and output back to the network, especially when both a remote keyboard 
and a local keyboard are being used to play multiple stops (ranks) on a remote sound 
module, as in this configuration:

remote keyboard --> multimidicast -in0  --> Network --> jOrgan LAN 1 with local keyboard
Sound Module    <-- multimidicast -out0 <-- Network <-- jOrgan LAN 1

With the above configuration, certain notes will stop playing until certain stops are 
disengaged and re-engaged.  I haven't completely determined the sequence of actions that 
causes this problem.

But, when I use different jOrgan LAN numbers for input and output, like this:

remote keyboard --> multimidicast -in0  --> Network --> jOrgan LAN 1 with local keyboard
Sound Module    <-- multimidicast -out1 <-- Network <-- jOrgan LAN 2

  ...the problem does not occur.  It may be a timing thing where the inbound UDP and the 
outbound UDP are getting confused because of using the same identity number.

Lynn
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Seems to be working fine!  I've only been playing about 5 minutes...but so far, no problems!

Lynn
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 2/4/2011 3:34 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>
> Hi Lynn,
>
> I've uploaded 3.12.1-beta1, fixing a problem in the LAN message receiver.
>
> Could you please give it a try?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sven

Hi Lynn,

I'll try to reproduce this issue here. At least LAN input is now working :).

Regards

Sven

On 02/04/2011 11:12 PM, Lynn Walls wrote:
> There seems to be an interference effect when using the same LAN number for both input
> from the network and output back to the network, especially when both a remote keyboard
> and a local keyboard are being used to play multiple stops (ranks) on a remote sound
> module, as in this configuration:
>
> remote keyboard -->  multimidicast -in0  -->  Network -->  jOrgan LAN 1 with local keyboard
> Sound Module<-- multimidicast -out0<-- Network<-- jOrgan LAN 1
>
> With the above configuration, certain notes will stop playing until certain stops are
> disengaged and re-engaged.  I haven't completely determined the sequence of actions that
> causes this problem.
>
> But, when I use different jOrgan LAN numbers for input and output, like this:
>
> remote keyboard -->  multimidicast -in0  -->  Network -->  jOrgan LAN 1 with local keyboard
> Sound Module<-- multimidicast -out1<-- Network<-- jOrgan LAN 2
>
>    ...the problem does not occur.  It may be a timing thing where the inbound UDP and the
> outbound UDP are getting confused because of using the same identity number.
>
> Lynn
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Seems to be working fine!  I've only been playing about 5 minutes...but so far, no problems!
>
> Lynn
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 2/4/2011 3:34 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>> Hi Lynn,
>>
>> I've uploaded 3.12.1-beta1, fixing a problem in the LAN message receiver.
>>
>> Could you please give it a try?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sven
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In my previous post where I characterized the problem as "...certain notes stop 
playing...", this statement might be a little misleading.  In this test I was only using a 
piano sample, wherein a held note eventually decays to silence.  When I later tested using 
organ pipe ranks, the effect was like "ciphers" -- or "hung" notes.  It now appears that 
when the same device id number is used to both send and receive via the jOrgan LAN 
extension, some MIDI messages are occasionally not received or handled.

If only the remote keyboard is creating note on/off messages via LAN, and jOrgan is 
relaying them back to a sound module on the same remote computer via LAN, using the same 
LAN number (e.g., -in0, -out0), the problem seems NOT to occur with normal playing of the 
single keyboard.

Confused handling (dropped, dead notes) results only when another keyboard (attached 
locally to jOrgan) is played simultaneously, and/or when Stops affecting the LAN-attached 
sound module are turned on and off while playing the keyboards.

CLW
------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 2/5/2011 2:47 AM, Sven Meier wrote:
> Hi Lynn,
>
> I'll try to reproduce this issue here. At least LAN input is now working :).
>
> Regards
>
> Sven
>
> On 02/04/2011 11:12 PM, Lynn Walls wrote:
>> There seems to be an interference effect when using the same LAN number for both input
>> from the network and output back to the network, especially when both a remote keyboard
>> and a local keyboard are being used to play multiple stops (ranks) on a remote sound
>> module, as in this configuration:
>>
>> remote keyboard -->   multimidicast -in0  -->   Network -->   jOrgan LAN 1 with local keyboard
>> Sound Module<-- multimidicast -out0<-- Network<-- jOrgan LAN 1
>>
>> With the above configuration, certain notes will stop playing until certain stops are
>> disengaged and re-engaged.  I haven't completely determined the sequence of actions that
>> causes this problem.
>>
>> But, when I use different jOrgan LAN numbers for input and output, like this:
>>
>> remote keyboard -->   multimidicast -in0  -->   Network -->   jOrgan LAN 1 with local keyboard
>> Sound Module<-- multimidicast -out1<-- Network<-- jOrgan LAN 2
>>
>>     ...the problem does not occur.  It may be a timing thing where the inbound UDP and the
>> outbound UDP are getting confused because of using the same identity number.
>>
>> Lynn
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Seems to be working fine!  I've only been playing about 5 minutes...but so far, no problems!
>>
>> Lynn
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> On 2/4/2011 3:34 PM, Sven Meier wrote:
>>> Hi Lynn,
>>>
>>> I've uploaded 3.12.1-beta1, fixing a problem in the LAN message receiver.
>>>
>>> Could you please give it a try?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Sven
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> The modern datacenter depends on network connectivity to access resources
>> and provide services. The best practices for maximizing a physical server's
>> connectivity to a physical network are well understood - see how these
>> rules translate into the virtual world?
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnlfb
>> _______________________________________________
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