Steel Bank Common Lisp

Didier Verna <didier@...> writes:

>   Hello,
>
> I have a .asd file with some lisp code in addition to the defsystem
> form. The corresponding ASDF system is loaded in the lisp environment.
>
> I've just discovered that while find-definition-sources-by-name works on
> constants defined in this file, it doesn't on functions or macros.
>
> Is this to be expected?
.asd is LOADed by ASDF, but introspection only works with compiled
files.

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With Best Regards, Stas.

On 15 September 2010 14:18, Stas Boukarev <stassats@...> wrote:
> Didier Verna <didier@...> writes:
>
>>   Hello,
>>
>> I have a .asd file with some lisp code in addition to the defsystem
>> form. The corresponding ASDF system is loaded in the lisp environment.
>>
>> I've just discovered that while find-definition-sources-by-name works on
>> constants defined in this file, it doesn't on functions or macros.
>>
>> Is this to be expected?
> .asd is LOADed by ASDF, but introspection only works with compiled
> files.
>
Cher Didier,

Note that for ASDF 3, we intend to move towards having .asd files not
contain any code, only single (multilpe?) defsystem statements. Then,
you'd define your ASDF customizations in a separate system, and use
:defsystem-depends-on to depend on it.

This style isn't mandatory yet, but it might become so in the future.
If you use it today with ASDF 2, your code will be compiled and you
will be able to do introspection on it.

[ François-René ÐVB Rideau | Reflection&Cybernethics | http://fare.tunes.org ]
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Stas Boukarev <stassats@...> wrote:

> Didier Verna <didier@...> writes:
>
>>   Hello,
>>
>> I have a .asd file with some lisp code in addition to the defsystem
>> form. The corresponding ASDF system is loaded in the lisp environment.
>>
>> I've just discovered that while find-definition-sources-by-name works on
>> constants defined in this file, it doesn't on functions or macros.
>>
>> Is this to be expected?

> .asd is LOADed by ASDF, but introspection only works with compiled
> files.

But then, how come constants are found ?

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Faré <fahree@...> wrote:

> If you use it today with ASDF 2, your code will be compiled and you
> will be able to do introspection on it.

  Maybe I didn't understand you, but are you suggesting that ASDF 2 .asd
files are compiled? Because I don't see this happening. Is there a
configuration tweak that I need to know about somewhere ?

Thanks

[BTW, I just filled the bug reports that you requested on cll the other day.]

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>>: Faré
>: Didier Verna

>> Note that for ASDF 3, we intend to move towards having .asd files not
>> contain any code, only single (multilpe?) defsystem statements. Then,
>> you'd define your ASDF customizations in a separate system, and use
>> :defsystem-depends-on to depend on it.
>>
>> This style isn't mandatory yet, but it might become so in the future.
>> If you use it today with ASDF 2, your code will be compiled and you
>> will be able to do introspection on it.
>
>  Maybe I didn't understand you, but are you suggesting that ASDF 2 .asd
> files are compiled? Because I don't see this happening. Is there a
> configuration tweak that I need to know about somewhere ?
>
You quoted my last two lines out of context. When in context, it appears
that what I mean is not that you should just use ASDF2, but also use this
particular style that we want to promote, where a .asd file contains no
code whatsoever, and all code is moved to other systems that are required
at defsystem parsing time with :defsystem-depends-on. So: move you code
to some lisp file, create a foo.asd file that covers that asdf extension,
and use :defsystem-depends-on (:foo). It will then be compiled AND
more compatible with a future ASDF 3.

> [BTW, I just filled the bug reports that you requested on cll the other day.]
Thanks a whole lot!

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