On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:26:50 -0300 Iván Briano (Sachiel) <sachieru@...>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Carsten Haitzler <raster@...>
> > On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Vincent Torri <vtorri@...>
> > said:
> >> > don't get so touchy. i started and wrote most of efl. and my coding
> >> > style is rarely honored fully. everyone wants me to change editors just
> >> > so i can conform to their indenting style because their editor is
> >> > incapable of the same indentation. don't get your panties in a mess. i
> >> > sure as hell am not going to write up a new formatting config per
> >> > library, per app, etc. etc. - and if each one is formatted differently,
> >> > it causes problems in being able to work on them. if you get offended by
> >> > there being a universal formatting style for efl, then you're doing an
> >> > awesome job of not helping improve or fix things.
> >> I mentioned twice in that ML before that i wanted the same coding style
> >> for all the EFL (mainly because of Eina, actually, which has (had, now) 2
> >> different coding styles and because what you use is really ugly. Note
> > you say ugly - i like it. i find other coding styles ugly. it's pointless
> > trying to tall a coding style ugly.
> >> that i never told you to change your editor) and that was the purpose of
> >> those 2 mails... You answered me that it was useless because there would
> >> be no universal agreement... Now, you say the contrary: we must have one
> > useless to get people to follow a coding style - yes. see above. you find
> > mine ugly. people just dont want to. useless in forcing it on them, but
> > automatic re-formatting has been talked about for a long time. the problem
> > has been lack of time and tools to do the job.
> >> unique coding style. So i don't understand... Either you don't care about
> >> what i say or else my english is too ugly.
> > having people FORCED into having to indent in 1 way will never work. they
> > use different editors. one guy has tabs set to 4, another to 8. they even
> > may use different os's to edit (\n vs \r\n) etc. in the end you have a
> > myriad of styles. evern with all the coding guidelines people ignore them.
> > even with the "just follow the style that is there" guideline people ignore
> > it. it doesnt work relying on people to do the formatting. if it is to be
> > done, it needs to be as automated as possible. we can't automate everything
> > - but we can do a fair chunk.
> People ignores the style that's there because no one is enforcing it, but look
> at other projects and how they just reject any patch that doesn't
> follow the style
> to the letter. It ends up working or driving people that can't play by
> the rules off.
> I remember back then, when this whole EFL thing started, that one of the
> reasons for the rewrite from scratch was how ugly E16 had turned by letting
> any patch in, and how now things would get more strict to keep the code clean,
> stable and high quality. In the end, it gets to the point where stuff gets if
> it works, and someone later will go around fixing style if they don't like it.
people dont even follow it who have direct svn access.
> >> > if you notice the formatting doesn't even match what i have used in the
> >> > past too
> >> Yes. I also mentioned in my mails that my proposed coding style is not
> >> mine too...
> >> > - it's whatever i can get out of an auto-formatter (uncrustify - it
> >> seems
> >> > to do a better job than indent and have by far many more options at any
> >> > rate). but you didn't seem to pay attention to this.
> >> well, you missed my point, that's all (see above). I didn't pay attention
> >> at what your script does because it was useless, as it was not the purpose
> >> at all of my answer...
> >> > you may have also noticed that i
> >> > CHANGED my jedrc a few days ago to match the atuo-indenting. maybe you
> >> > didn't?
> >> I don't care about what you do in your jedrc, it's your problem, like it's
> >> the other devs problem to do what is needed to respect the coding style.
> >> See win32 code or xcb that i wrote, where i tried to respect your coding
> >> style. Even more, in Epdf, Eps and Edvi, i used my ugly coding style, Etk
> >> style for their etk widget, Ewl style for their ewl widget, your style for
> >> their (old) epsilon plugin. If there is a group of people who try to
> >> respect the coding style, i'm definitely in.
> >> Vincent
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