gramps

On 14 June 2010 04:11, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
...
>  There are instructions online for upgrading from 2.x to 3.x.  How can I
> upgrade from 1.x?

If you still have the original 1.x installed just export to gramps
xml. That should import fine into 3.x, I assume.

Duncan

-- 
'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates

Sadly, I wiped the computer clean that had the old gramps installed on it.

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Duncan Lithgow <duncan.lithgow@...:

> On 14 June 2010 04:11, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
> ...
> >  There are instructions online for upgrading from 2.x to 3.x.  How can I
> > upgrade from 1.x?
>
> If you still have the original 1.x installed just export to gramps
> xml. That should import fine into 3.x, I assume.
>
> Duncan
>
> --
> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>

On 14 June 2010 20:52, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
> Sadly, I wiped the computer clean that had the old gramps installed on it.

So what data do you have?

Duncan

-- 
'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates

When I would start gramps, it would ask me for the directory where my data
was stored.  That directory, which I still have, contains files called
data.gramps, data.gramps.bak (which I imagine is backup file).

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Duncan Lithgow <duncan.lithgow@...:

> On 14 June 2010 20:52, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
> > Sadly, I wiped the computer clean that had the old gramps installed on
> it.
>
> So what data do you have?
>
> Duncan
>
> --
> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>

On 14 June 2010 22:05, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
> When I would start gramps, it would ask me for the directory where my data
> was stored.  That directory, which I still have, contains files called
> data.gramps, data.gramps.bak (which I imagine is backup file).

Gramps uses a database which is environment dependent. So it isn't
suited to being moved from one system to another. But there are ways
around this.

I believe the page people are usually refered to for this problem is
http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Recover_corrupted_family_tree
but that doesn't mention 1.x. Might be worth a try though, have a look
at http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Recover_corrupted_family_tree#The_environment_is_lost

Duncan

-- 
'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates

Duncan, I was looking at the corrupted grdb page as well, but....are
.gramps and .gramps.bak examples of grdb files?  I always get confused
over the various file formats and the extensions we use.

Stéphane

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 13:36, Duncan Lithgow <duncan.lithgow@...> wrote:
> On 14 June 2010 22:05, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
>> When I would start gramps, it would ask me for the directory where my data
>> was stored.  That directory, which I still have, contains files called
>> data.gramps, data.gramps.bak (which I imagine is backup file).
>
> Gramps uses a database which is environment dependent. So it isn't
> suited to being moved from one system to another. But there are ways
> around this.
>
> I believe the page people are usually refered to for this problem is
> http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Recover_corrupted_family_tree
> but that doesn't mention 1.x. Might be worth a try though, have a look
> at http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Recover_corrupted_family_tree#The_environment_is_lost
>
> Duncan
>
> --
> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>
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>

2010/6/14 Stéphane Charette <stephanecharette@...>:
> Duncan, I was looking at the corrupted grdb page as well, but....are
> .gramps and .gramps.bak examples of grdb files?  I always get confused
> over the various file formats and the extensions we use.

I believe that .gramps and .gramps.bak are both the XML files. GRDB
was the GRamps DataBase, which is a Berkeley database with all the
bits in one directory.

Duncan

-- 
'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates

My old computer had OS X 10.4.  The gramps version for that fink
installation was 1.0.10.

My new computer has OS X 10.6.  Gramps is not yet available in either the
stable or unstable branch. (although 3.0.4 is available for OS X 10.5)

Gramps 3.2.0 is available for Mac OS X 10.6 via macports, but that doesn't
help me.

What I have installed, however, a binary of version 3.1.2, so there is no
package manager.

It appears I should have exported my data.gramps file to another format
before deleting fink from the old computer, but I did not.

Duncan's suggestion that I look at the recovery page from the wiki doesn't
seem applicable.  The gramps binary that I have installed does have a
command-line executable that I can call, but it's hidden deep in the package
structure of the application and gives me error messages.  I think there's a
big difference between the database format between the 1.x and 2.x grampses.

It doesn't seem there's any way to get version 2 or version 1 onto my
computer.

The only thing I can think of that would allow me to save this data is if
there is any Good Samaritan out there who still has a 1.x version of gramps
running who can read my data.gramps file and export it.  All I can offer you
is gratitude.

Roy

My only option now, it seems is to ask if

I'm relatively certain you wont find someone who just happens to have
1.x installed.  Even people with 2.x installed is getting somewhat
rare as we're now on version 3.2.x.

The question that I haven't seen answered yet is -- what file format
is a .gramps file?  Is it a compressed XML file as Duncan thinks it
might be?  If so, then we should relatively easily get this imported
into a newer version of Gramps.

Can you take a look at this page and tell us if it helps you determine
the format of the data contained in your .gramps file?

http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Generate_XML#How_do_I_uncompress_the_file.3F

Stéphane


On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:55, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
> My old computer had OS X 10.4.  The gramps version for that fink
> installation was 1.0.10.
> My new computer has OS X 10.6.  Gramps is not yet available in either the
> stable or unstable branch. (although 3.0.4 is available for OS X 10.5)
> Gramps 3.2.0 is available for Mac OS X 10.6 via macports, but that doesn't
> help me.
> What I have installed, however, a binary of version 3.1.2, so there is no
> package manager.
> It appears I should have exported my data.gramps file to another format
> before deleting fink from the old computer, but I did not.
> Duncan's suggestion that I look at the recovery page from the wiki doesn't
> seem applicable.  The gramps binary that I have installed does have a
> command-line executable that I can call, but it's hidden deep in the package
> structure of the application and gives me error messages.  I think there's a
> big difference between the database format between the 1.x and 2.x grampses.
> It doesn't seem there's any way to get version 2 or version 1 onto my
> computer.
> The only thing I can think of that would allow me to save this data is if
> there is any Good Samaritan out there who still has a 1.x version of gramps
> running who can read my data.gramps file and export it.  All I can offer you
> is gratitude.
> Roy
> My only option now, it seems is to ask if
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There is many bug reports on tracker matching this issue.

You cannot upgrade from 1.x to 3.x with a simple import into Gramps 3.x.
There is too many changes, cannot maintain very old definitions (no date 
parsing, grdb format, no shared events, notes management, etc ...)

* 2560: gramps cannot import a .gramps file
http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2560

* 3021: When ever try to import a data.gramps from 3/2005, it bombs with 
errors given here
http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=3021

* 2527: can't import gramps database from 2 years ago
http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2527

* 2847: Trying to import an older Gramps DB fails.
http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2847

* 2108: Cannot read old File
http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2108

* 2023: Import of gramps xml from 1.0.11 fails
http://www.gramps-project.org/bugs/view.php?id=2023


One solution is to use gramps 2.x, to import 1.x database, to generate a 
new XML database, then to import it into gramps 3.x
Maybe you need some steps (2.x -> 2.2.x -> 3.x ?)

This can be done be using an old LIVE CD :
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/gramps/
http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Linux_Genealogy_CD

Or to download old gramps versions from sourceforge archive
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gramps/files/
then :
1. on decompressed source (gramps.2.2.10.tar.gz => /gramps/src)
2. to rename const.py.in => const.py
3. on console : $ python gramps.py
4. to import your database, to export XML data


Jérôme


Duncan Lithgow a écrit :
> On 14 June 2010 22:05, Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...> wrote:
>> When I would start gramps, it would ask me for the directory where my data
>> was stored.  That directory, which I still have, contains files called
>> data.gramps, data.gramps.bak (which I imagine is backup file).
> 
> Gramps uses a database which is environment dependent. So it isn't
> suited to being moved from one system to another. But there are ways
> around this.
> 
> I believe the page people are usually refered to for this problem is
> http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Recover_corrupted_family_tree
> but that doesn't mention 1.x. Might be worth a try though, have a look
> at http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Recover_corrupted_family_tree#The_environment_is_lost
> 
> Duncan
>

If you have a something.gramps XML file and not just the ~/.gramps
directory, then you should be able to set up a series of virtual
machines (probably easiest using Ubuntu Linux versions as guest
machines)

You may need to do this anyway with the ~/.gramps directory to get a
suitable environment to read the data with.

Are you willing / able to send an encrypted PGP copy of the data to
someone? Then they can see what you have and try to get some life from
it.

Duncan

-- 
'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates

I don't have PGP, but I can send a password-protected zip file.

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Duncan Lithgow <duncan.lithgow@...:

> If you have a something.gramps XML file and not just the ~/.gramps
> directory, then you should be able to set up a series of virtual
> machines (probably easiest using Ubuntu Linux versions as guest
> machines)
>
> You may need to do this anyway with the ~/.gramps directory to get a
> suitable environment to read the data with.
>
> Are you willing / able to send an encrypted PGP copy of the data to
> someone? Then they can see what you have and try to get some life from
> it.
>
> Duncan
>
> --
> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>

2010/6/16 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>

> I don't have PGP, but I can send a password-protected zip file.


Roy,

Version 1.x stores data in a .gramps xml file.
Here you see the xml versions and which gramps version can work with them:
http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_XML
So, version 2.0 or 2.2 can open this old not yet document xml file.

Hence, you need somebody with that version to import your xml file, and
export it to xml that is documented and that the present version can import.

Is that possible?

Benny

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Duncan Lithgow <duncan.lithgow@...:
>
>> If you have a something.gramps XML file and not just the ~/.gramps
>> directory, then you should be able to set up a series of virtual
>> machines (probably easiest using Ubuntu Linux versions as guest
>> machines)
>>
>> You may need to do this anyway with the ~/.gramps directory to get a
>> suitable environment to read the data with.
>>
>> Are you willing / able to send an encrypted PGP copy of the data to
>> someone? Then they can see what you have and try to get some life from
>> it.
>>
>> Duncan
>>
>> --
>> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>>
>
>
>
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>

I'd be happy to share it if there's someone out there running those
versions.

Just to be sure we're on the right track, I opened up the data.gramps file
in a text editor and it is not human-readable, except for a few words at the
top.

Roy

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Benny Malengier
<benny.malengier@...:

>
>
> 2010/6/16 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>
>
> I don't have PGP, but I can send a password-protected zip file.
>
>
> Roy,
>
> Version 1.x stores data in a .gramps xml file.
> Here you see the xml versions and which gramps version can work with them:
> http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_XML
> So, version 2.0 or 2.2 can open this old not yet document xml file.
>
> Hence, you need somebody with that version to import your xml file, and
> export it to xml that is documented and that the present version can import.
>
> Is that possible?
>
> Benny
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Duncan Lithgow <duncan.lithgow@...
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> If you have a something.gramps XML file and not just the ~/.gramps
>>> directory, then you should be able to set up a series of virtual
>>> machines (probably easiest using Ubuntu Linux versions as guest
>>> machines)
>>>
>>> You may need to do this anyway with the ~/.gramps directory to get a
>>> suitable environment to read the data with.
>>>
>>> Are you willing / able to send an encrypted PGP copy of the data to
>>> someone? Then they can see what you have and try to get some life from
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Duncan
>>>
>>> --
>>> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate
>> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the
>> lucky parental unit.  See the prize list and enter to win:
>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gramps-users mailing list
>> Gramps-users@...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users
>>
>>
>

2010/6/17 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>

> I'd be happy to share it if there's someone out there running those
> versions.
>
> Just to be sure we're on the right track, I opened up the data.gramps file
> in a text editor and it is not human-readable, except for a few words at the
> top.
>

it is zipped. You need to unzip the data.gramps file, and then you find a
text file, so open it with ark or file-roller, or ...

Benny

>
> Roy
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Benny Malengier <
> benny.malengier@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2010/6/16 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>
>>
>> I don't have PGP, but I can send a password-protected zip file.
>>
>>
>> Roy,
>>
>> Version 1.x stores data in a .gramps xml file.
>> Here you see the xml versions and which gramps version can work with them:
>> http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_XML
>> So, version 2.0 or 2.2 can open this old not yet document xml file.
>>
>> Hence, you need somebody with that version to import your xml file, and
>> export it to xml that is documented and that the present version can import.
>>
>> Is that possible?
>>
>> Benny
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Duncan Lithgow <
>>> duncan.lithgow@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you have a something.gramps XML file and not just the ~/.gramps
>>>> directory, then you should be able to set up a series of virtual
>>>> machines (probably easiest using Ubuntu Linux versions as guest
>>>> machines)
>>>>
>>>> You may need to do this anyway with the ~/.gramps directory to get a
>>>> suitable environment to read the data with.
>>>>
>>>> Are you willing / able to send an encrypted PGP copy of the data to
>>>> someone? Then they can see what you have and try to get some life from
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Duncan
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate
>>> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the
>>> lucky parental unit.  See the prize list and enter to win:
>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Gramps-users mailing list
>>> Gramps-users@...
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users
>>>
>>>
>>
>

2010/6/17 Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...>

>
>
> 2010/6/17 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>
>
> I'd be happy to share it if there's someone out there running those
>> versions.
>>
>> Just to be sure we're on the right track, I opened up the data.gramps file
>> in a text editor and it is not human-readable, except for a few words at the
>> top.
>>
>
> it is zipped. You need to unzip the data.gramps file, and then you find a
> text file, so open it with ark or file-roller, or ...
>

About installing it, installing the linux live cd in virtualbox should be
easy to do. I think it would be nice if somebody does that and then takes a
snapshot we can share.
So that would mean, installing

lgenealogy-1.0-live-i386.iso  from http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/gramps/

in virtualbox, see eg https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
I don't have much free time to do it myself though...

Benny


> Benny
>
>>
>> Roy
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Benny Malengier <
>> benny.malengier@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/6/16 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>
>>>
>>> I don't have PGP, but I can send a password-protected zip file.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roy,
>>>
>>> Version 1.x stores data in a .gramps xml file.
>>> Here you see the xml versions and which gramps version can work with
>>> them: http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_XML
>>> So, version 2.0 or 2.2 can open this old not yet document xml file.
>>>
>>> Hence, you need somebody with that version to import your xml file, and
>>> export it to xml that is documented and that the present version can import.
>>>
>>> Is that possible?
>>>
>>> Benny
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Duncan Lithgow <
>>>> duncan.lithgow@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you have a something.gramps XML file and not just the ~/.gramps
>>>>> directory, then you should be able to set up a series of virtual
>>>>> machines (probably easiest using Ubuntu Linux versions as guest
>>>>> machines)
>>>>>
>>>>> You may need to do this anyway with the ~/.gramps directory to get a
>>>>> suitable environment to read the data with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you willing / able to send an encrypted PGP copy of the data to
>>>>> someone? Then they can see what you have and try to get some life from
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate
>>>> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the
>>>> lucky parental unit.  See the prize list and enter to win:
>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Gramps-users mailing list
>>>> Gramps-users@...
>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I have Gramps 2.2.10 up and running.

/Peter

> 2010/6/17 Benny Malengier <benny.malengier@...>
> 
> > 2010/6/17 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>
> >
> > I'd be happy to share it if there's someone out there running those
> >
> >> versions.
> >>
> >> Just to be sure we're on the right track, I opened up the data.gramps
> >> file in a text editor and it is not human-readable, except for a few
> >> words at the top.
> >
> > it is zipped. You need to unzip the data.gramps file, and then you find a
> > text file, so open it with ark or file-roller, or ...
> 
> About installing it, installing the linux live cd in virtualbox should be
> easy to do. I think it would be nice if somebody does that and then takes a
> snapshot we can share.
> So that would mean, installing
> 
> lgenealogy-1.0-live-i386.iso  from http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/gramps/
> 
> in virtualbox, see eg https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
> I don't have much free time to do it myself though...
> 
> Benny
> 
> > Benny
> >
> >> Roy
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Benny Malengier <
> >>
> >> benny.malengier@...> wrote:
> >>> 2010/6/16 Roy Goodman <sarahroy@...>
> >>>
> >>> I don't have PGP, but I can send a password-protected zip file.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Roy,
> >>>
> >>> Version 1.x stores data in a .gramps xml file.
> >>> Here you see the xml versions and which gramps version can work with
> >>> them: http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=GRAMPS_XML
> >>> So, version 2.0 or 2.2 can open this old not yet document xml file.
> >>>
> >>> Hence, you need somebody with that version to import your xml file, and
> >>> export it to xml that is documented and that the present version can
> >>> import.
> >>>
> >>> Is that possible?
> >>>
> >>> Benny
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Duncan Lithgow <
> >>>>
> >>>> duncan.lithgow@...> wrote:
> >>>>> If you have a something.gramps XML file and not just the ~/.gramps
> >>>>> directory, then you should be able to set up a series of virtual
> >>>>> machines (probably easiest using Ubuntu Linux versions as guest
> >>>>> machines)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You may need to do this anyway with the ~/.gramps directory to get a
> >>>>> suitable environment to read the data with.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you willing / able to send an encrypted PGP copy of the data to
> >>>>> someone? Then they can see what you have and try to get some life
> >>>>> from it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Duncan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> 'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>-------- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate
> >>>> GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the
> >>>> lucky parental unit.  See the prize list and enter to win:
> >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Gramps-users mailing list
> >>>> Gramps-users@...
> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/gramps-users
>

So Peter and Roy, did you work out something?

Duncan

-- 
'The unconsidered life is not worth living' - Socrates

Duncan,

Yes, I managed to help him.

/Peter


Den Tuesday 22 June 2010 23.02.40 skrev Duncan Lithgow:
> So Peter and Roy, did you work out something?
> 
> Duncan
>