<klaus.berndl@...> writes:
> On 2009-05-16 18:11 +0100, klaus.berndl@... wrote:
>>> after a almost 4 years "tea-break" ;-) since the last release there
>>> comes a new ECB: 2.40 is released.
>
>>This is excellent news. BTW, there's some discussion on including cedet
>>and ecb in Emacs 23.2. One of the blockers is ecb relies heavily on the
>>advice facility. Is this still the case?
>
> Yes, indeed - and IMHO building an IDE like ECB is quite impossible
> without heavily advicing Emacs because Emacs is not designed to display certain content
> in certain premanent windows within the same frame - the underlying window-management of Emacs
> is designed to create smartly new windows if necessary...
>
> I know that Emacs 23 has already a new feature which can prevent windows from
> being deleted by delete-other-window (C-x 1)...this is good and this can
> make some ECB-advices obsolete or at least much more simple...
> But this is not enough to throw away the advices of ECB......
>
> But ECB has a full stable advice-backbone which allows full control of
> all its advices and when they are active and when not.
> This comes in by introducing four new macros `defecb-advice-set',
> `defecb-advice', `ecb-with-original-adviced-function-set' and
> `ecb-with-ecb-advice'...
> With this backbone ECB is stable and save concerning advicing a lot
> of functions.
I was part of an effor to bring the sort of primitives Emacs needs to
support applications like ECB. We were unable to finish this for emacs
23, but hopefully the feature can be made to qualify for inclusion in
Emacs 24. In that case ECB could use those features, and then be
included in Emacs.
Basically the feature we worked on let you group Emacs windows
together. Normal Emacs window operations only worked within the current
window group by default.
>
> Of course it would be possible to enhance Emacs with new features so
> most of the advices of ECB would be obsolete but IMHO this costs a lot
> of thinking power and needs new and good and proven design decisions for
> Emacs...unfortunately currently i could not say what *exactly* would be
> necessary for Emacs to support ECB throwing away its advices.......... ;-(
> As already said: needs intensive thinking about this topics....
>
> I have not the time to do this because i'm to busy... BTW: I have only build up this
> new release because new Emacs 23 and even more current CEDET (which is really
> great work by Eric and the other cedet-guys!) are worth
> to have at least a stable and powerful and smoothly working ECB (and previous
> version of ECB had some drawbacks concerning this)...but i have no time
> to invest much more (which would be necessary to integrate ECB in Emacs without
> its advices)...
> To be honest: It would great if ECB could be integrated in Emacs and if Emacs would
> offer all stuff necessary to throw away the ECB-advices but because for me its
> too expensive so i will *maintain* ECB as it is but nothing else...
>
> But: If there is someone out which is an elisp-guru and has plenty of time
> and is willing to overtake ECB for the sake of integration in Emacs
> i would appreciate this a lot and i would support this guy(s) as best
> as possible...
>
>>Many thanks for the new release ;)
>
> Thanks back ;-)
>
> Klaus
>
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