Scid

A friend using Linux, says there are several bitmaps folders, one  
contains, images such as bbb, bbk, etc and another one with bb.gif,  
bk.gif, …
On the Mac, I have only the second one and this the one to copy in the  
Scid_html_export

As I said earlier, I think that all the necessary files (bitmaps  
folder, scid.css and scid.js) should be exported together with the  
html files automatically by Scid. I think that any regular user won't  
be able do it.

I hope I don't bother with such comments.

Charly
http://cf29.com/

2009/3/23 F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>

> A friend using Linux, says there are several bitmaps folders, one contains,
> images such as bbb, bbk, etc and another one with bb.gif, bk.gif, …
> On the Mac, I have only the second one and this the one to copy in the
> Scid_html_export


That's right, I forgot this one.


>
>
> As I said earlier, I think that all the necessary files (bitmaps folder,
> scid.css and scid.js) should be exported together with the html files
> automatically by Scid. I think that any regular user won't be able do it.
>

Yes.

Pascal

On Mar 23, 2009, at 1:56 PM, F. Charly wrote:

> A friend using Linux, says there are several bitmaps folders, one
> contains, images such as bbb, bbk, etc and another one with bb.gif,
> bk.gif, …
> On the Mac, I have only the second one and this the one to copy in the
> Scid_html_export

There are three bitmaps folders inside the source distribution folder:
1.- bitmaps: Inside html folder, this works with html+javascript.
2.- bitmaps: At the top level, html only.
3.- bitmaps2: At the top level, html only.

Only item 1 is packed inside Scid.app, I was unaware that I left the  
other two out of the mac package.

Israel

F. Charly wrote:

Hi!

> I modified the games html export files.

This looks pretty nice. However, I've an issue... As you
removed the frames the former left frame has a slight
problem. Just export a game that is heavily annotated and
you'll see what I mean.

This column now gets strechted in length across the length
of the moves list. You get a lot of free space above the
board, a lot of free space below the board and then the
controls show up. Additionally, the board scrolls with the
pgn annotation instead on sitting at a stable position left
top of the annotation.

I just exported a current game of mine and already at move
17 the board has gone. I have to scroll up the whole window
to get it back. (But if the board is gone I can see the
controls...)

Therefore, I'm not sure that it is really wise to remove the
frames, actually I think they'd be better left in palce,
though I'm not a fan of frames myself. Probably, another
solution exists, though.

A minor issue: the current html-file gets a _1 appended to
the name. I think this is a left over.

-- 

Kind regards,                /                 War is Peace.
                             |            Freedom is Slavery.
Alexander Wagner            |         Ignorance is Strength.
                             |
                             | Theory     : G. Orwell, "1984"
                            /  In practice:   USA, since 2001

Frames are deprecated.  That means producing that kind of page will
become junk soon enough.  If I had to choose between a simpler design
to accomodate a valid format and frames to accomodate HTML generation
of intensively annotated games, I'd choose the former.  Intensively
annotated games are no fun to follow with frames anyway.

So I'd certainly prefer any other solution to frames.  But what are we
to do ?  Among other things, we could :

+ mimick frames with spans ;
+ have the board on its own page invockable with a target _blank or something ;
+ put some board after every N moves ;
+ use some JS tricks to toggle on/off parts of the comments or analysis ;
+ fragment games in multiple pages.

Here are two nice examples to mimick frames with CSS :

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/layouts/category/C11/
http://www.lib.washington.edu/specialcoll/findaids/docs/papersrecords/McGilvraJohn4806.xml

I simply got those by entering "css mimicking frames" into my friend Google.

On Mar 23, 2009, at 12:15 PM, F. Charly wrote:

> I modified the games html export files.
> They now are in a no frame W3C error free XHTML 1.0 Strict version.
> I include here a sample of 3 games.
> I edited the js, css and game files html.

I like it too. I have only one observation, I think the usual meaning  
of highlighted visited links is missing in the moves section, how  
about leaving them like the un-visited ones?

Cheers,
Israel

Hi there,

I used Benoit's suggestion at http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/layouts/category/C11/

Have a look at the index.html, don't forget to add the correct bitmaps  
folder (contains bb.gif, bk.gif, ...), (I can't send this folder as  
messages are limited to 40 KB on the list).  Please check on different  
browsers and let me know how it works. It is fine on Mac, with latest  
versions of Safari, Opera, FireFox and Camino. I am afraid of  
different versions of Windows Internet Explorer (especially v6) that  
don't do things like most of the others. The games navigation is not  
working in this sample.

If satisfied, I'll do a bit more of cleaning and fine tuning.

Pascal please send me the modified htmlgenerator.tcl I sent to you  
(with the new function if you did it) and I'll edit it accordingly.
There is an issue with & characters that should be translated to &  
in html. It would be also good to translate special characters such as  
in player names to their html entities (ie é = é). A special  
function called htmlentities() in PHP does exactly that and I hope  
that there is something similar in Tcl.

Hi Pascal,
I also post this to the list as someone may have an answer about the  
html entities.

On 25 mars 09, at 10:55, Pascal Georges wrote:

> 2009/3/25, F. Charly:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I used Benoit's suggestion at
>> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/layouts/category/C11/
>
> Le résultat a l'air très bon, et si IE6 ne fonctionne pas, cela
> pourrait être ignoré.

cool

>> Have a look at the index.html, don't forget to add the correct  
>> bitmaps
>> folder (contains bb.gif, bk.gif, ...), (I can't send this folder as
>> messages are limited to 40 KB on the list).  Please check on  
>> different
>> browsers and let me know how it works. It is fine on Mac, with latest
>> versions of Safari, Opera, FireFox and Camino. I am afraid of
>> different versions of Windows Internet Explorer (especially v6) that
>> don't do things like most of the others. The games navigation is not
>> working in this sample.
>>
>> If satisfied, I'll do a bit more of cleaning and fine tuning.
>>
>> Pascal please send me the modified htmlgenerator.tcl I sent to you
>> (with the new function if you did it) and I'll edit it accordingly.
>
> Voir le fichier joint et la procédure
> proc toHtml ...
> à la ligne 630.
>
> Autrement tout est dans le CVS, y compris les fichiers scid.css et
> scid.js, CVS qui peut être vu avec l'interface Web / CVS de
> sourceforge (si vous n'utilisez pas de client CVS "normal").

Could you please explain. Link? I don't know what it means.
CVS = chorionic villus sampling - according to my dictionary ;-)

>> There is an issue with & characters that should be translated to  
>> &
>> in html. It would be also good to translate special characters such  
>> as
>> in player names to their html entities (ie é = é). A special
>> function called htmlentities() in PHP does exactly that and I hope
>> that there is something similar in Tcl.
>
> Je ne connais rien de semblable mais TCL possède des fonctions de
> substitution très simples à utiliser. Avec un tableau de
> correspondance je pourrais créer une telle fonction.

Searching on the Web I found that there is something but I have no  
idea how to use it in Tcl:
::html::html_entities string
This command replaces all special characters in the string with their  
HTML entities and returns the modified text.
http://tcllib.sourceforge.net/doc/html.html
Could that work for us?

I did a short list of html entities as a reference on my website
http://cf29.com/design/entities_eng.php
more at
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_entities.asp

The main concern is & that must be translated to & as this one may  
create html errors, the others are more cosmetic but would be nice if  
any special characters used in Player names, comments or wherever in  
the pgn files. Imagine a game comments in French or even in Japanese  
(I tried and it seems that Scid can't handle Japanese in the Comment  
editor).

I'll send shortly the updated misc.tcl directly to you (40 KB limit on  
the list)
Please try to save a few games and check if everything works fine  
(game navigation, ...) and send me the generated files so I can check  
if it is correct.

Cheers,
Charly

> Searching on the Web I found that there is something but I have no
> idea how to use it in Tcl:
> ::html::html_entities string
> This command replaces all special characters in the string with their
> HTML entities and returns the modified text.
> http://tcllib.sourceforge.net/doc/html.html
> Could that work for us?

Indeed, it works perfectly.

Pascal

>> Autrement tout est dans le CVS, y compris les fichiers scid.css et
>> scid.js, CVS qui peut être vu avec l'interface Web / CVS de
>> sourceforge (si vous n'utilisez pas de client CVS "normal").
>
> Could you please explain. Link? I don't know what it means.
> CVS = chorionic villus sampling - according to my dictionary ;-)

CVS is a source code repository. It can be viewed via a browser :
http://scid.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/scid/scid/

CVS allows several developpers to use a common code base and commit
their changes on the fly.

Pascal

> I also modified the images in the bitmaps folder, I think that they look
> nicer. By the way, there is also in this folder another one with mini
> pieces. Are they used somewhere in Scid?
>

The mini pieces are used to insert a diagram among the moves.

Pascal

F. Charly wrote:

Hi!

> I used Benoit's suggestion at 
> http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/layouts/category/C11/

The new one looks perfect, indeed :) Very nice.

Thanks a lot!

(Just for the record: did not vote for frames as such, but
the board should be visible and not be gone in move 17
already. ;)

-- 

Kind regards,                /                 War is Peace.
                             |            Freedom is Slavery.
Alexander Wagner            |         Ignorance is Strength.
                             |
                             | Theory     : G. Orwell, "1984"
                            /  In practice:   USA, since 2001

I tried posting but got : "Message body is too big: 41286 bytes with a  
limit of 40 KB"
Isn't 40 KB a bit small?

I modified the images in the bitmaps folder, I think that they look  
nicer.
Simply replace the older bitmaps folder with this one. (luckily it is  
under 40KB)

2009/3/27 F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>

> I tried posting but got : "Message body is too big: 41286 bytes with a
> limit of 40 KB"
> Isn't 40 KB a bit small?
>

It is a limit set by sourceforge.


>
>
> I modified the images in the bitmaps folder, I think that they look nicer.
> Simply replace the older bitmaps folder with this one. (luckily it is under
> 40KB)
>


They are already in CVS.

Pascal

Pascal Georges,  piątek, 27 marca 2009:
>2009/3/27 F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>
>
>> I tried posting but got : "Message body is too big: 41286 bytes with a
>> limit of 40 KB"
>> Isn't 40 KB a bit small?
>
>It is a limit set by sourceforge.
If I remember well, it can be changed by the list admin.

-- 
Michal Rudolf

2009/3/27, Michal Rudolf <mrudolf@...>:
> Pascal Georges,  piątek, 27 marca 2009:
>>2009/3/27 F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>
>>
>>> I tried posting but got : "Message body is too big: 41286 bytes with a
>>> limit of 40 KB"
>>> Isn't 40 KB a bit small?
>>
>>It is a limit set by sourceforge.
> If I remember well, it can be changed by the list admin.

I changed the limit to 400 kB.

Pascal

Hi,

I could see that my work about the html+js export of games has been  
included in the new version of Scid, thanks.

If I may suggest:
- we are asked for a html file name and Scid will now export nicely  
all the needed files (I am on Mac and have to add the .html after the  
file name) such as the css, js, images, … It went all over the place  
on my desktop. Good I did the test with only a couple of games :-)
- it would be nicer to ask for a folder name where all the files will  
be included

Charly

2009/4/12, F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>:
> Hi,
>
> I could see that my work about the html+js export of games has been
> included in the new version of Scid, thanks.
>
> If I may suggest:
> - we are asked for a html file name and Scid will now export nicely
> all the needed files (I am on Mac and have to add the .html after the
> file name) such as the css, js, images, … It went all over the place
> on my desktop. Good I did the test with only a couple of games :-)
> - it would be nicer to ask for a folder name where all the files will
> be included
>
> Charly

Hi,

Under Linux and Windows the "file save" dialog window let the user
choose the destination folder. I don't know what is its implementation
on Mac Os.

Pascal

On 14 avr. 09, at 10:30, Pascal Georges wrote:

> 2009/4/12, F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I could see that my work about the html+js export of games has been
>> included in the new version of Scid, thanks.
>>
>> If I may suggest:
>> - we are asked for a html file name and Scid will now export nicely
>> all the needed files (I am on Mac and have to add the .html after the
>> file name) such as the css, js, images, … It went all over the place
>> on my desktop. Good I did the test with only a couple of games :-)
>> - it would be nicer to ask for a folder name where all the files will
>> be included
>>
>> Charly
>
> Hi,
>
> Under Linux and Windows the "file save" dialog window let the user
> choose the destination folder. I don't know what is its implementation
> on Mac Os.
>
> Pascal

It is the same on Mac OS, the point is that people may not be aware  
that it will create so many files. The name we are asking for is the  
html file name (and we have to add .html manually to it - at least on  
Mac OS), I think it would be more convenient/understandable to specify  
only a simple name (no extension) and a floder with that name would be  
created with all the files needed in it. Does it make sense?

Charly

2009/4/14 F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>

>
> On 14 avr. 09, at 10:30, Pascal Georges wrote:
>
>  2009/4/12, F. Charly <koraipu-box@...>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I could see that my work about the html+js export of games has been
>>> included in the new version of Scid, thanks.
>>>
>>> If I may suggest:
>>> - we are asked for a html file name and Scid will now export nicely
>>> all the needed files (I am on Mac and have to add the .html after the
>>> file name) such as the css, js, images, … It went all over the place
>>> on my desktop. Good I did the test with only a couple of games :-)
>>> - it would be nicer to ask for a folder name where all the files will
>>> be included
>>>
>>> Charly
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Under Linux and Windows the "file save" dialog window let the user
>> choose the destination folder. I don't know what is its implementation
>> on Mac Os.
>>
>> Pascal
>>
>
> It is the same on Mac OS, the point is that people may not be aware that it
> will create so many files. The name we are asking for is the html file name
> (and we have to add .html manually to it - at least on Mac OS), I think it
> would be more convenient/understandable to specify only a simple name (no
> extension) and a floder with that name would be created with all the files
> needed in it. Does it make sense?
>

Current implementation is more flexible. To create a folder each time may be
a constraint, and now the user can create a folder if he wants to.

Pascal