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I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a system better suited to book style structured content, like wikibooks has.
I still don't know the relationship between the wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I assume it 's some settings that can be active or inactive.

Anyway have a look around the wikibook site to see how the structured page hierarchy works, and of course provides breadcrumb navigation.

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On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:15 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a system better suited to book style structured content, like wikibooks has.
> I still don't know the relationship between the wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I assume it 's some settings that can be active or inactive.

Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but with maybe a
different setting to show the 'Contents' option (TOC).

However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes me back to
the table of contents.

Anybody else that works with the wiki site know the details?

-Jason

On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 15:38 -0500, Jason Simanek wrote:
> Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but with maybe a
> different setting to show the 'Contents' option (TOC).
> 
> However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes me back to
> the table of contents.
In the meantime I think that emphasising the manual more is probably a
good idea. I'm not a fan of the current cluttered frontpage.

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Hi,


For taking back to the table of contents, we are using a template :
http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Man_index
or you may try to use something like that : [[Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual]]

Also, for Manual generation, we started to list some ideas on :
http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Generation_3.0


Jérôme


--- En date de : Dim 20.4.08, Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...> a écrit :

> De: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...>
> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS site and the User Manual
> À: "Duncan Lithgow" <dlithgow@...>
> Cc: "gramps-devel" <gramps-devel@...>
> Date: Dimanche 20 Avril 2008, 22h38
> On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:15 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
> > I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a
> system better suited to book style structured content, like
> wikibooks has.
> > I still don't know the relationship between the
> wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I
> assume it 's some settings that can be active or
> inactive.
> 
> Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but
> with maybe a
> different setting to show the 'Contents' option
> (TOC).
> 
> However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes
> me back to
> the table of contents.
> 
> Anybody else that works with the wiki site know the
> details?
> 
> -Jason
> 
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2008/4/20, Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...>:
>
> In my recent dealings with the User Manual, I struggled with the fact
> that there isn't an easy way to get back to the beginning table of
> contents once you're done reading in a particular section. Since the
> site is the User Manual de jure, I think it would be good to directly
> represent the user manaul(s) in the left navigation.
>
> Attached is a mock of what I think would be helpful. I am interested in
> your thoughts. The only issue I can think of is the different language
> versions. Supporting multiple languages certainly makes it more
> complicated. I guess each separate language could be a nested unordered
> list under the version name...
>
> Thanks in advance for any feedback,


I like the idea of setting user manual in side navigation.
Do you have permission to do this on wiki? If not, send me your login name.
We should keep an eye on the vertical space use of the sidebar though. It
should not expand too much.

Benny

Jerome,

Thanks for the information regarding the state of the User Manual.

On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 06:22 +0000, jerome wrote:
> For taking back to the table of contents, we are using a template :
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Man_index
> or you may try to use something like that : [[Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual]]

I see now that the 'Index' link is at the bottom of all of our User
Manual pages. The template you linked to shows it on the top as well,
but that is not available in our User Manual. Would it be much trouble
to get that navigation bar on the top of the page as well? I guess I was
expecting to see a TOC link in the 'Categories' box. I feel a bit dumb
missing that 'index' link on the bottom of the page, but maybe my
overlooking it is a testament to its lack of intuitiveness. :D

> Also, for Manual generation, we started to list some ideas on :
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Generation_3.0

That's pretty cool. I would think XML to XML would be the easiest
initial step. I've used some basic XSLT to transform data I keep in XML
into an XHTML website via one of PHP's parsers. I would think that the
markup is pretty simple and repetitious in this Wikimedia format, but I
might be very wrong. Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

DocBook looks fascinating but might take a while to really get
comfortable with.

-Jason

This looks like an interesting task for some quiet nights. I know 
DocBook and XSLT. If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
converting into DocBook.

I also have access to a commercial XSL-FO to PDF converter that does a 
better job than the Apache FOP tool (which has trouble with hanging 
paragraphs).

Regards

Richard


jerome wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> For taking back to the table of contents, we are using a template :
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Man_index
> or you may try to use something like that : [[Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual]]
> 
> Also, for Manual generation, we started to list some ideas on :
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Generation_3.0
> 
> 
> Jérôme
> 
> 
> --- En date de : Dim 20.4.08, Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...> a écrit :
> 
>> De: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...>
>> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS site and the User Manual
>> À: "Duncan Lithgow" <dlithgow@...>
>> Cc: "gramps-devel" <gramps-devel@...>
>> Date: Dimanche 20 Avril 2008, 22h38
>> On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:15 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
>>> I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a
>> system better suited to book style structured content, like
>> wikibooks has.
>>> I still don't know the relationship between the
>> wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I
>> assume it 's some settings that can be active or
>> inactive.
>>
>> Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but
>> with maybe a
>> different setting to show the 'Contents' option
>> (TOC).
>>
>> However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes
>> me back to
>> the table of contents.
>>
>> Anybody else that works with the wiki site know the
>> details?
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>

On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 19:33 +0100, Richard Taylor wrote:
> This looks like an interesting task for some quiet nights. I know 
> DocBook and XSLT. If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
> format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
> converting into DocBook.
I wouldn't get too busy on that one, some people have been working on
this for a while.

http://www.google.dk/search?q=mediawiki+to+docbook

Duncan
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> If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
> format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
> converting into DocBook.

Wiki seems to use MediaWiki engine, maybe to try data export ?
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export

But I do not know what is possible with gramps' wiki.
Does dumpBackup.php exist ?

Additional links :
http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export_Helper_Script
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki#XML_dump
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/ParseMediaWikiDump
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Processing_MediaWiki_XML_with_STX


Regards,

Jerome


Richard Taylor a écrit :
> This looks like an interesting task for some quiet nights. I know 
> DocBook and XSLT. If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
> format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
> converting into DocBook.
> 
> I also have access to a commercial XSL-FO to PDF converter that does a 
> better job than the Apache FOP tool (which has trouble with hanging 
> paragraphs).
> 
> Regards
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> jerome wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> For taking back to the table of contents, we are using a template :
>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Man_index
>> or you may try to use something like that : [[Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual]]
>>
>> Also, for Manual generation, we started to list some ideas on :
>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Generation_3.0
>>
>>
>> Jérôme
>>
>>
>> --- En date de : Dim 20.4.08, Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...> a 
>> écrit :
>>
>>> De: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...>
>>> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS site and the User Manual
>>> À: "Duncan Lithgow" <dlithgow@...>
>>> Cc: "gramps-devel" <gramps-devel@...>
>>> Date: Dimanche 20 Avril 2008, 22h38
>>> On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:15 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
>>>> I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a
>>> system better suited to book style structured content, like
>>> wikibooks has.
>>>> I still don't know the relationship between the
>>> wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I
>>> assume it 's some settings that can be active or
>>> inactive.
>>>
>>> Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but
>>> with maybe a
>>> different setting to show the 'Contents' option
>>> (TOC).
>>>
>>> However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes
>>> me back to
>>> the table of contents.
>>>
>>> Anybody else that works with the wiki site know the
>>> details?
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
> 
>

It looks like Special:Export does not work on the gramps wiki. I wonder 
if it is an option that could be turned on?

Richard


Jérôme wrote:
>> If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
>> format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
>> converting into DocBook.
> 
> Wiki seems to use MediaWiki engine, maybe to try data export ?
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export
> 
> But I do not know what is possible with gramps' wiki.
> Does dumpBackup.php exist ?
> 
> Additional links :
> http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export_Helper_Script
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki#XML_dump
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/ParseMediaWikiDump
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Processing_MediaWiki_XML_with_STX
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jerome
> 
> 
> Richard Taylor a écrit :
>> This looks like an interesting task for some quiet nights. I know 
>> DocBook and XSLT. If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
>> format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
>> converting into DocBook.
>>
>> I also have access to a commercial XSL-FO to PDF converter that does a 
>> better job than the Apache FOP tool (which has trouble with hanging 
>> paragraphs).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> jerome wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> For taking back to the table of contents, we are using a template :
>>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Man_index
>>> or you may try to use something like that : [[Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual]]
>>>
>>> Also, for Manual generation, we started to list some ideas on :
>>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Generation_3.0
>>>
>>>
>>> Jérôme
>>>
>>>
>>> --- En date de : Dim 20.4.08, Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...> a 
>>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> De: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...>
>>>> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS site and the User Manual
>>>> À: "Duncan Lithgow" <dlithgow@...>
>>>> Cc: "gramps-devel" <gramps-devel@...>
>>>> Date: Dimanche 20 Avril 2008, 22h38
>>>> On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:15 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
>>>>> I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a
>>>> system better suited to book style structured content, like
>>>> wikibooks has.
>>>>> I still don't know the relationship between the
>>>> wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I
>>>> assume it 's some settings that can be active or
>>>> inactive.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but
>>>> with maybe a
>>>> different setting to show the 'Contents' option
>>>> (TOC).
>>>>
>>>> However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes
>>>> me back to
>>>> the table of contents.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody else that works with the wiki site know the
>>>> details?
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> 
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Hi,


Seems we don't need to paste wiki code on 
http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export
using an link/url is enough (as prefix for page name )!!!

* for installation page : 
http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export/Installation

* for manual TOC :
http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export/Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual

etc...

But we have one block for text :(


Richard Taylor a écrit :
> It looks like Special:Export does not work on the gramps wiki. I wonder 
> if it is an option that could be turned on?
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> Jérôme wrote:
>>> If someone could explain how to generate the XML format of the Manual 
>>> pages from the wiki I might take a look at converting into DocBook.
>>
>> Wiki seems to use MediaWiki engine, maybe to try data export ?
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export
>>
>> But I do not know what is possible with gramps' wiki.
>> Does dumpBackup.php exist ?
>>
>> Additional links :
>> http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export_Helper_Script
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki#XML_dump
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/ParseMediaWikiDump 
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Processing_MediaWiki_XML_with_STX
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerome
>>
>>
>> Richard Taylor a écrit :
>>> This looks like an interesting task for some quiet nights. I know 
>>> DocBook and XSLT. If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
>>> format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
>>> converting into DocBook.
>>>
>>> I also have access to a commercial XSL-FO to PDF converter that does 
>>> a better job than the Apache FOP tool (which has trouble with hanging 
>>> paragraphs).
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> jerome wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For taking back to the table of contents, we are using a template :
>>>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Man_index
>>>> or you may try to use something like that : [[Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual]]
>>>>
>>>> Also, for Manual generation, we started to list some ideas on :
>>>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Generation_3.0 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jérôme
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- En date de : Dim 20.4.08, Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...> a 
>>>> écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> De: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...>
>>>>> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS site and the User Manual
>>>>> À: "Duncan Lithgow" <dlithgow@...>
>>>>> Cc: "gramps-devel" <gramps-devel@...>
>>>>> Date: Dimanche 20 Avril 2008, 22h38
>>>>> On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:15 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
>>>>>> I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a
>>>>> system better suited to book style structured content, like
>>>>> wikibooks has.
>>>>>> I still don't know the relationship between the
>>>>> wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I
>>>>> assume it 's some settings that can be active or
>>>>> inactive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but
>>>>> with maybe a
>>>>> different setting to show the 'Contents' option
>>>>> (TOC).
>>>>>
>>>>> However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes
>>>>> me back to
>>>>> the table of contents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody else that works with the wiki site know the
>>>>> details?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jason
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>

2008/4/23, Jérôme <romjerome@...>:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Seems we don't need to paste wiki code on
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export
> using an link/url is enough (as prefix for page name )!!!
>
> * for installation page :
>
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export/Installation
>
> * for manual TOC :
>
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export/Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual
>
> etc...
>
> But we have one block for text :(


Indeed, it seems only usefull if we then write a parser to change eg ===
text === to a heading.
Erik has some test code that does that, can you give a link to that code
Erik?

Benny

Thanks, that works for me too. I had gotten the syntax wrong.

It is not really what I was expecting though. I guess that it is 
slightly better than parsing the html.

Richard


Jérôme wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Seems we don't need to paste wiki code on 
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export
> using an link/url is enough (as prefix for page name )!!!
> 
> * for installation page : 
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export/Installation
> 
> * for manual TOC :
> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Export/Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual
> 
> etc...
> 
> But we have one block for text :(
> 
> 
> Richard Taylor a écrit :
>> It looks like Special:Export does not work on the gramps wiki. I wonder 
>> if it is an option that could be turned on?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Jérôme wrote:
>>>> If someone could explain how to generate the XML format of the Manual 
>>>> pages from the wiki I might take a look at converting into DocBook.
>>> Wiki seems to use MediaWiki engine, maybe to try data export ?
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export
>>>
>>> But I do not know what is possible with gramps' wiki.
>>> Does dumpBackup.php exist ?
>>>
>>> Additional links :
>>> http://pywikipediabot.sourceforge.net/
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export_Helper_Script
>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki#XML_dump
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/ParseMediaWikiDump 
>>>
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Processing_MediaWiki_XML_with_STX
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jerome
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard Taylor a écrit :
>>>> This looks like an interesting task for some quiet nights. I know 
>>>> DocBook and XSLT. If someone could explain how to generate the XML 
>>>> format of the Manual pages from the wiki I might take a look at 
>>>> converting into DocBook.
>>>>
>>>> I also have access to a commercial XSL-FO to PDF converter that does 
>>>> a better job than the Apache FOP tool (which has trouble with hanging 
>>>> paragraphs).
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jerome wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For taking back to the table of contents, we are using a template :
>>>>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Man_index
>>>>> or you may try to use something like that : [[Gramps_3.0_Wiki_Manual]]
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, for Manual generation, we started to list some ideas on :
>>>>> http://www.gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Manual_Generation_3.0 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jérôme
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- En date de : Dim 20.4.08, Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...> a 
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> De: Jason Simanek <jsimanek@...>
>>>>>> Objet: Re: [Gramps-devel] GRAMPS site and the User Manual
>>>>>> À: "Duncan Lithgow" <dlithgow@...>
>>>>>> Cc: "gramps-devel" <gramps-devel@...>
>>>>>> Date: Dimanche 20 Avril 2008, 22h38
>>>>>> On Sun, 2008-04-20 at 22:15 +0200, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
>>>>>>> I still think that the way to solve thisis to use a
>>>>>> system better suited to book style structured content, like
>>>>>> wikibooks has.
>>>>>>> I still don't know the relationship between the
>>>>>> wikimedia wiki software and what wikibooks has, but I
>>>>>> assume it 's some settings that can be active or
>>>>>> inactive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm.... it looks to me like it's the same software but
>>>>>> with maybe a
>>>>>> different setting to show the 'Contents' option
>>>>>> (TOC).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However we get there is fine. I just want a link that takes
>>>>>> me back to
>>>>>> the table of contents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody else that works with the wiki site know the
>>>>>> details?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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