Could you please take this discussion ( argument I believe) off the list.
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003, Manish Jethani wrote:
> USM Bish wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2003 at 11:52:50AM +0530, Manish Jethani wrote:
> >>One of us is using a pirated version of Knoppix 3.1 :-)
> > Not quite. Things could be changed becuase of installations and
> > updates done to the installation.
> Hey, man, I was kidding.
> BTW when we were talking of Knoppix, we were talking of the
> Knoppix that boots off the CD (*without* your extra
> installations and updates).
> > This output is from my HDD installed version. I have
> > installed things like sendmail and webmin, which are not
> > there in default knoppix .. But that does
> The argument is moot, then. You've installed Knoppix on your
> HDD--which is not what I was talking about when I said ``Knoppix''.
> > not mean it is pirated ... I thought it would be understood. My
> Go away, pirate! :-)
> >>My default runlevel is 5, not 2.
> > Fair enough. The boot process would still go through the full
> > cycle of rc2.d through rc5.d. Please change it to 2 or 3 for
> Remember this point. My default ``runlevel'' is 5. Your
> default ``runlevel'' is 2.
> > Please note that the K??<pkg> scripts are "Kill" scripts, the
> > ones used for startup are S??<pkg>. Both these are symlinked
> > to the same shell script under /etc/init.d/<pkg>.
> Thanks for the explanation on the S and K scripts. Though I
> didn't need it personally, it does make things clear to the
> audience (if at all there's someone left who hasn't yet
> devnulled this thread :) ).
> > You must realise, that before the kernel is loaded, the only
> > processing possible is by the boot loader, (in this case it
> > is LILO) .. LILO accepts kernel parameters, similar to other
> > boot loaders like loadlin and grub. What you can pass at the
> > "knoppix:" prompt are such kernel parameters. Nothing else
> > besides kernel parameters can be processed.
> When you say "knoppix 2", the option is for the init process. I
> don't have much knowledge in this area but I'm pretty sure that
> option is for init. So, "knoppix 2" translates to something
> like "init 2" as far as I can understand. For that matter, I
> can put "echo $RUNLEVEL > /home/knoppix/runlevel.test" in one of
> startup scripts to verify that the script does get the proper
> runlevel passed to it.
> > You may give this a try. Next time you boot through CD and
> > get the "knoppix:" prompt, just hit [Enter]. You will get a
> > listing of video modes available. The first is "0" viz 80x25
> No, when I hit enter I boot right into GUI. I don't get those
> > If you type in "0" you actually boot into the system, where-
> > as runlevel 0 in knoppix is set to halt or shutdown. IIRC,
> > the option list goes down to 8, but there is no runlevel "8"
> > under *nix !
> That's because those are NOT runlevels, right?! You're just
> selected the video mode you want, NOT the runlevel. But when I
> say "knoppix 2", I am PRETTY MUCH selecting the runlevel.
> Now, why don't you try what I said: echo the value of $RUNLEVEL
> in that script to a file. Pass the option "2" (or something) at
> the boot prompt i.e. "knoppix 2", and see the output.
> >>Knoppix is not Debian.
> > Knoppix does not state that ... they quite honorably display
> > the debian swirl when the kdm interface comes up.
> That doesn't mean they claim that Knoppix is Debian. I have a
> GNUhead logo on my home page but I'm not a GNUhead myself (and
> _most_certainly_ not :-) )!
> >>I hope I've given enough evidence.If you need anything else
> >>to prove me wrong, feel free to ask.
> > Thank you for posting the evidences, at least it got things
> > clarified ... I have definitely learnt many things here ...
> Revisiting the arguments...
> MYTH: Knoppix does not support runlevels.
> REAL: I guess it does! We've seen proof in /etc/inittab
> and other startup scripts! We've seen $RUNLEVEL and other stuff!
> MYTH: The only way to boot Knoppix into console mode:
> update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and remove all symlinks to xdm.
> REAL: Insert the Knoppix 3.1 CD. At the boot prompt, type
> "knoppix 2 [other options like lang=us]". Hit [ENTER] hard!
> If you don't get a message saying "Entering runlevel 2" and are
> not thrown into console mode, you haven't hit [ENTER] hard
> enough. Try once more.
> MYTH: Runlevels are a BSD thing (whatever that means).
> REAL: Runlevels were introduced in System V.
> I hope I haven't missed anything.
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