Direct Rendering Infrastructure

On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 02:52:45AM +0200, Alexander Stohr wrote:
> In response to the attached list of spam 
> (18 spam e-mails to dri-devel in only 3 days!)
> i have to ask if the dri-devel mailing list 
> can now be set to subscribers-only policy?

Notice that removing html only mail as well as multi-part with only html
part mail should catch most if not all of those spams.

Friendly,

Sven Luther

On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 02:52:45AM +0200, Alexander Stohr wrote:
> In response to the attached list of spam 
> (18 spam e-mails to dri-devel in only 3 days!)
> i have to ask if the dri-devel mailing list 
> can now be set to subscribers-only policy?
> 
> i dont feel thats any longer acceptable.
> that daily mailbox digging is really a hoax.

I use spamassassin which filters 95% of all spam I receive so it doesn't
affect me directly, but I still get concerned with the bandwith usage.
Looking into my spam folder I have to agree with you as around 60% of
the spam comes either trhough dri-devel or dri-patches. Oddly dri-users
receives much less spam (is it open to subscribers only, or is it just
less known to spambots?)

IMO dri-devel should be subscriber only, and leave dri-users open to
everybody. Dri-patches should definatly be subscriber only, but I don't
know how that would interfere with the CVS email notification scripts.

José Fonsseca

Jos=E9 Fonseca wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 02:52:45AM +0200, Alexander Stohr wrote:
>=20
>>In response to the attached list of spam=20
>>(18 spam e-mails to dri-devel in only 3 days!)
>>i have to ask if the dri-devel mailing list=20
>>can now be set to subscribers-only policy?
>>
>>i dont feel thats any longer acceptable.
>>that daily mailbox digging is really a hoax.
>=20
>=20
> I use spamassassin which filters 95% of all spam I receive so it doesn'=
t
> affect me directly, but I still get concerned with the bandwith usage.
> Looking into my spam folder I have to agree with you as around 60% of
> the spam comes either trhough dri-devel or dri-patches. Oddly dri-users
> receives much less spam (is it open to subscribers only, or is it just
> less known to spambots?)
>=20
> IMO dri-devel should be subscriber only, and leave dri-users open to
> everybody. Dri-patches should definatly be subscriber only, but I don't
> know how that would interfere with the CVS email notification scripts.

Mozilla 1.3 has been filtering spam pretty well for me, but I'd be in=20
favor of making the DRI lists subscriber-only.

The Mesa lists are all subscriber-only and nobody's ever complained.

-Brian

Alexander Stohr wrote:

>In response to the attached list of spam 
>(18 spam e-mails to dri-devel in only 3 days!)
>i have to ask if the dri-devel mailing list 
>can now be set to subscribers-only policy?
>  
>

Oh, for the love of God, YES!
I am subscribed to 11 mailing lists, and I get more SPAM from dri-devel 
than all the rest put together.
I am much more in favour of a more pro-active stance in fighting SPAM - 
such as requiring posters to subscribe - than simply telling people "oh 
well you _could_ use spamassasin"
Why would anyone post to the list who isn't subscribed anyway?

On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 13:05, Dan wrote:
> Alexander Stohr wrote:
> 
> >In response to the attached list of spam 
> >(18 spam e-mails to dri-devel in only 3 days!)
> >i have to ask if the dri-devel mailing list 
> >can now be set to subscribers-only policy?
> 
> Oh, for the love of God, YES!
> I am subscribed to 11 mailing lists, and I get more SPAM from dri-devel 
> than all the rest put together.
> I am much more in favour of a more pro-active stance in fighting SPAM - 
> such as requiring posters to subscribe - than simply telling people "oh 
> well you _could_ use spamassasin"
> Why would anyone post to the list who isn't subscribed anyway?

The casual cross-post from lkml, for example.

Anyway, many possible solutions have been discussed; if only the list
admin(s) cared to at least comment on them.


-- 
Earthling Michel Dänzer   \  Debian (powerpc), XFree86 and DRI developer
Software libre enthusiast  \     http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer

On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:17:03PM +0200, Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 13:05, Dan wrote:
> > Alexander Stohr wrote:
> >=20
> > >In response to the attached list of spam=20
> > >(18 spam e-mails to dri-devel in only 3 days!)
> > >i have to ask if the dri-devel mailing list=20
> > >can now be set to subscribers-only policy?
> >=20
> > Oh, for the love of God, YES!
> > I am subscribed to 11 mailing lists, and I get more SPAM from dri-dev=
el=20
> > than all the rest put together.
> > I am much more in favour of a more pro-active stance in fighting SPAM=
 -=20
> > such as requiring posters to subscribe - than simply telling people "=
oh=20
> > well you _could_ use spamassasin"
> > Why would anyone post to the list who isn't subscribed anyway?
>=20
> The casual cross-post from lkml, for example.
>=20
> Anyway, many possible solutions have been discussed; if only the list
> admin(s) cared to at least comment on them.

I'm the list admin.

And I have to say I'd be willing to stand down and let someone take over.

The amount of spam I have to keep clearing anyway is time consuming to
say the least. If I were to make the lists subscriber only, this task
would only increase.

So if anyone wants to take my place, just say so.

Alan.

On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 13:23, Alan Hourihane wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:17:03PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > 
> > Anyway, many possible solutions have been discussed; if only the list
> > admin(s) cared to at least comment on them.
> 
> I'm the list admin.

Thanks for speaking up.

> And I have to say I'd be willing to stand down and let someone take over.
> 
> The amount of spam I have to keep clearing anyway is time consuming to
> say the least. If I were to make the lists subscriber only, this task
> would only increase.
> 
> So if anyone wants to take my place, just say so.

I've already volunteered to take on a share. I obviously wouldn't want
to do it all myself either. Any other takers?


-- 
Earthling Michel Dänzer   \  Debian (powerpc), XFree86 and DRI developer
Software libre enthusiast  \     http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer

Michel Dänzer wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 13:23, Alan Hourihane wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:17:03PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
>>
>>>Anyway, many possible solutions have been discussed; if only the list
>>>admin(s) cared to at least comment on them.
>>
>>I'm the list admin.
> 
> 
> Thanks for speaking up.
> 
> 
>>And I have to say I'd be willing to stand down and let someone take over.
>>
>>The amount of spam I have to keep clearing anyway is time consuming to
>>say the least. If I were to make the lists subscriber only, this task
>>would only increase.
>>
>>So if anyone wants to take my place, just say so.
> 
> 
> I've already volunteered to take on a share. I obviously wouldn't want
> to do it all myself either. Any other takers?

I'm curious - what does the work consist of?  Is there already some filtering 
going on?

Keith

On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:39:32PM +0200, Michel D=E4nzer wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 13:23, Alan Hourihane wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:17:03PM +0200, Michel Dnzer wrote:
> > >=20
> > > Anyway, many possible solutions have been discussed; if only the li=
st
> > > admin(s) cared to at least comment on them.
> >=20
> > I'm the list admin.
>=20
> Thanks for speaking up.
>=20
> > And I have to say I'd be willing to stand down and let someone take o=
ver.
> >=20
> > The amount of spam I have to keep clearing anyway is time consuming t=
o
> > say the least. If I were to make the lists subscriber only, this task
> > would only increase.
> >=20
> > So if anyone wants to take my place, just say so.
>=20
> I've already volunteered to take on a share. I obviously wouldn't want
> to do it all myself either. Any other takers?

Thanks.

What's your sourceforge email address and I'll add you to the list.

Alan.

On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:46:05PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote:
> Michel Dnzer wrote:
> >On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 13:23, Alan Hourihane wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:17:03PM +0200, Michel Dnzer wrote:
> >>
> >>>Anyway, many possible solutions have been discussed; if only the list
> >>>admin(s) cared to at least comment on them.
> >>
> >>I'm the list admin.
> >
> >
> >Thanks for speaking up.
> >
> >
> >>And I have to say I'd be willing to stand down and let someone take over.
> >>
> >>The amount of spam I have to keep clearing anyway is time consuming to
> >>say the least. If I were to make the lists subscriber only, this task
> >>would only increase.
> >>
> >>So if anyone wants to take my place, just say so.
> >
> >
> >I've already volunteered to take on a share. I obviously wouldn't want
> >to do it all myself either. Any other takers?
> 
> I'm curious - what does the work consist of?  Is there already some 
> filtering going on?

Yes. SourceForge holds email that it deems unacceptable, but certainly
doesn't catch everything - obviously.

The dri-announce list goes the majority of spam. As no-one ever posts
there anymore I really don't bother clearing it either.

Then dri-devel and dri-patches, and finally dri-users is the one with
the least amount of spam.

Then

On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:46:05PM +0100, Keith Whitwell wrote:
> Michel Dnzer wrote:
> >On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 13:23, Alan Hourihane wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 01:17:03PM +0200, Michel Dnzer wrote:
> >>
> >>>Anyway, many possible solutions have been discussed; if only the list
> >>>admin(s) cared to at least comment on them.
> >>
> >>I'm the list admin.
> >
> >
> >Thanks for speaking up.
> >
> >
> >>And I have to say I'd be willing to stand down and let someone take over.
> >>
> >>The amount of spam I have to keep clearing anyway is time consuming to
> >>say the least. If I were to make the lists subscriber only, this task
> >>would only increase.
> >>
> >>So if anyone wants to take my place, just say so.
> >
> >
> >I've already volunteered to take on a share. I obviously wouldn't want
> >to do it all myself either. Any other takers?
> 
> I'm curious - what does the work consist of?  Is there already some 
> filtering going on?

Forgot to answer the first question....

The works consists of looking at each message and deciding whether your
going to allow it, reject it or discard it.

Now there are some posts that have size limits so you'd explicity have
to allow/deny them. The rest are generally spam, so you just discard them.

I've been a bit slack with it recently, so the numbers of posts have just
been sitting there. You get daily reminders of how many are in the queue
waiting for your attention too. But to be managed properly you need to
tend to them on a daily basis.

Alan.

I'm getting referred-to-moderator messages for dri-patches on cvs commits, 
still...

Keith

On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 20:53, Keith Whitwell wrote:
> I'm getting referred-to-moderator messages for dri-patches on cvs commits, 
> still...

It was still restricted to subscribers only, now it should be everybody
@users.sourceforge.net .


-- 
Earthling Michel Dänzer   \  Debian (powerpc), XFree86 and DRI developer
Software libre enthusiast  \     http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer

On 17 Jun 2003, Michel D=E4nzer wrote:

>> And I have to say I'd be willing to stand down and let someone take ov=
er.
>>=20
>> The amount of spam I have to keep clearing anyway is time consuming to
>> say the least. If I were to make the lists subscriber only, this task
>> would only increase.
>>=20
>> So if anyone wants to take my place, just say so.
>
>I've already volunteered to take on a share. I obviously wouldn't want
>to do it all myself either. Any other takers?

I volunteer as well.  I maintain a few lists already which only=20
permit subscriber posting, and while the spam load on those lists=20
is much less than dri-devel, I don't mind helping keep the admin=20
queue empty.  My sourceforge name is "mharris", feel free to add=20
me to any/all of the DRI lists, just let me know which one's I'm=20
on.  ;o)

--=20
Mike A. Harris