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Hallo PPCM(?),

I'm sorry, but I believe we couldn't help you out until you specifiy what 
exactly you need: 
*How many clients
*Outlook connection? Kontact, Evolution?
*What kind of work processes shall be supported?
*Other Software you run?

I'd be interested how you sorted out all the other groupwares and what you 
like about OX and eGW.

If you've tested OX I personally wonder, that you still think about using it. 
Installation is a hell and for real productive use you still have to buy the 
commercial tools.
OX got a lot of venture-capital this year, so that they made a nice website, 
which may impress you.

Here you'll find links to groupware reviews on newsforge. A review of eGW is 
announced:
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/29/1552214

Beste Gruesse,

Thomas Koch


Am Dienstag 03 Oktober 2006 15:58 schrieb ppcm:
> Hello there
>
> I have to choose a groupware for my compagny.
> I have selected :
> - OX
> - eGroupware
>
> I tested both product, and I don't know which one is the best.
> - OX looks like more robust
> - eGW has a better ergonomics
>
> Could help me to make a choice?
> Or if you know a study between this 2 product, it will be great...
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> PPCM

Hello List (first Posting),

a year ago, I tried OX to use it as internal Portal Page. Believe 
Thomas. Installation is a pain. The whole OX ist a pre-alpha. I've 
invested  many hours to install it, write some scripts to import users 
in LDAP. We even ported some of our PHP Applications to it. The end of 
the Story is that we never used it for production.
Right now i do the same Job with eGroupware, its much easier, better 
integrated. And all in one it leaves me with a much better feeling in 
reliability and documentation.
To serve yourself, don't spend your time on this... thing.

Forgive a non native speaker his bad english



Thomas Koch schrieb:
> Hallo PPCM(?),
> 
> I'm sorry, but I believe we couldn't help you out until you specifiy what 
> exactly you need: 
> *How many clients
> *Outlook connection? Kontact, Evolution?
> *What kind of work processes shall be supported?
> *Other Software you run?
> 
> I'd be interested how you sorted out all the other groupwares and what you 
> like about OX and eGW.
> 
> If you've tested OX I personally wonder, that you still think about using it. 
> Installation is a hell and for real productive use you still have to buy the 
> commercial tools.
> OX got a lot of venture-capital this year, so that they made a nice website, 
> which may impress you.
> 
> Here you'll find links to groupware reviews on newsforge. A review of eGW is 
> announced:
> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/29/1552214
> 
> Beste Gruesse,
> 
> Thomas Koch
> 
> 
> Am Dienstag 03 Oktober 2006 15:58 schrieb ppcm:
>> Hello there
>>
>> I have to choose a groupware for my compagny.
>> I have selected :
>> - OX
>> - eGroupware
>>
>> I tested both product, and I don't know which one is the best.
>> - OX looks like more robust
>> - eGW has a better ergonomics
>>
>> Could help me to make a choice?
>> Or if you know a study between this 2 product, it will be great...
>>
>> Thanks for your help
>>
>> PPCM
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Hi Thomas,

Thanks for your response

*How many clients
we are 25. But if we validate the solution, we view to deploy the product to
our customers. Some compagnies are more than 150 clients.

*Outlook connection? Kontact, Evolution?
Essentially Outlook, Thunderbird and PDA

*What kind of work processes shall be supported?
The calendar, the contact list and the infolog features are importants.
Other ones are wellcomed

*Other Software you run
Nothing special except Microsoft Office or OpenOffice

I tested 7 or 8 groupwares, certainly not all of avalaible groupwares. For
exemple, I didn't know about Scalix.
To sort them, first of all, I readed user's feedback, then I installed them
to make features test.

It's true, OX was the longest to install, but feedbacks are good, that's why
I went to the end of the installation.
Why do you say "for real productive use you still have to buy the commercial
tools." ?

I can tell you what I like or not in both product (you will see, I have a
little preference :-)):

* OX
+ user's feedback tells that it supports connections to 200 clients
(simultaneously or registred?)
+ Lot of connectors are available
- It's long to install
- Most of connectors are not free
- The community is not very dynamic around the product, I thing people are
waiting that the compagny make everything

* eGW
+ Look & Feel is very good
+ There are a lot of features
+ Lot of connectors are available and most of them are free
+ The community looks like very dynamic
- user's feedback tells that it supports connections to 50 clients
(simultaneously or registred?)
- The documentation is a little bit poor - for exemple, i didnt't found how
to connect a PDA (except the little text telling it's possible)

In fact, the major argument is the number of simultanous connexions...
About to evolve the product for our needs, there is no importance to use
Java or PHP, I know both languages...

I hope it guives you all needed informations to help me to make a choice...

Thanks

Pierre

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ppcm <p.pintaric@...> schrieb:
>- user's feedback tells that it supports connections to 50 clients=20
>(simultaneously or registred?)=20
Hm, that's a interessting statement. Basicly the scalabilty is only =
limited
by your hardware.The interessting part, how this connections get counted.
You can have easily 1000 logins, if they do nothing after login.
Webapps(like eGW is one) don't use any resources, when the browser does =
not
request any webpages. Which means that 50 concurrent connections is =
already
very much a webapplication(or any other website), as most user are doing
nothing. They open there calender, searching for a address and they do =
some
other work.If you really want to have a scalable solution, you can do this
very easily with eGW. Just add more webserver, which connect to the same
database server.=C2=A0I would bet that eGW is more scalable then OX or any =
other
comparable product.=C2=A0
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I agree with you.
Do you have some exemples of how do you scale your deployments?



Herr Lars Kneschke wrote:
> 
> ppcm <p.pintaric@...> schrieb:
>>- user's feedback tells that it supports connections to 50 clients 
>>(simultaneously or registred?) 
> Hm, that's a interessting statement. Basicly the scalabilty is only
> limited
> by your hardware.The interessting part, how this connections get counted.
> You can have easily 1000 logins, if they do nothing after login.
> Webapps(like eGW is one) don't use any resources, when the browser does
> not
> request any webpages. Which means that 50 concurrent connections is
> already
> very much a webapplication(or any other website), as most user are doing
> nothing. They open there calender, searching for a address and they do
> some
> other work.If you really want to have a scalable solution, you can do this
> very easily with eGW. Just add more webserver, which connect to the same
> database server. I would bet that eGW is more scalable then OX or any
> other
> comparable product. 
> --
> Lars Kneschke
> Metaways Infosystems GmbH
> Pickhuben 4
> 20457 Hamburg
> Germany
> 
> eGroupWare Training & Support ==> http://www.egroupware-support.net
> 
> E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke@...
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> Fax:    +49 (0)40 317031-81
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> 
> 
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Your english is perfect :-)

I know how complecate is to install OX. I spend a day for it.
I don't really inderstand why so many people find this product so wonderful,
I would to understand...



Joris Fischer wrote:
> 
> Hello List (first Posting),
> 
> a year ago, I tried OX to use it as internal Portal Page. Believe 
> Thomas. Installation is a pain. The whole OX ist a pre-alpha. I've 
> invested  many hours to install it, write some scripts to import users 
> in LDAP. We even ported some of our PHP Applications to it. The end of 
> the Story is that we never used it for production.
> Right now i do the same Job with eGroupware, its much easier, better 
> integrated. And all in one it leaves me with a much better feeling in 
> reliability and documentation.
> To serve yourself, don't spend your time on this... thing.
> 
> Forgive a non native speaker his bad english
> 
> 
> 
> Thomas Koch schrieb:
>> Hallo PPCM(?),
>> 
>> I'm sorry, but I believe we couldn't help you out until you specifiy what 
>> exactly you need: 
>> *How many clients
>> *Outlook connection? Kontact, Evolution?
>> *What kind of work processes shall be supported?
>> *Other Software you run?
>> 
>> I'd be interested how you sorted out all the other groupwares and what
>> you 
>> like about OX and eGW.
>> 
>> If you've tested OX I personally wonder, that you still think about using
>> it. 
>> Installation is a hell and for real productive use you still have to buy
>> the 
>> commercial tools.
>> OX got a lot of venture-capital this year, so that they made a nice
>> website, 
>> which may impress you.
>> 
>> Here you'll find links to groupware reviews on newsforge. A review of eGW
>> is 
>> announced:
>> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/29/1552214
>> 
>> Beste Gruesse,
>> 
>> Thomas Koch
>> 
>> 
>> Am Dienstag 03 Oktober 2006 15:58 schrieb ppcm:
>>> Hello there
>>>
>>> I have to choose a groupware for my compagny.
>>> I have selected :
>>> - OX
>>> - eGroupware
>>>
>>> I tested both product, and I don't know which one is the best.
>>> - OX looks like more robust
>>> - eGW has a better ergonomics
>>>
>>> Could help me to make a choice?
>>> Or if you know a study between this 2 product, it will be great...
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help
>>>
>>> PPCM
>> 
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