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those who are cold and are not clothed."
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004, Michael Palmer wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think Matt said it very well - we need a capable volunteer who is in a
> position to spend serious time on this.
> I don't know if this is a realistic idea, but on the main Python website
> they are soliciting grant proposals:
> Since several well-known people are involved with Webware and the
> project is one of the most mature and feature-rich Python web
> frameworks, might there not be a chance that a grant could be obtained
> for an enhanced version? One could then pay someone to actually invest
> serious time into the new release. Most probably though, a maintenance
> and bug-fix release would not get funded - we would have to make the
> case that some new abilities in Webware would benefit the Python
> community at large.
> I have neither the time nor the skills (being a self-tought hobbyist) to
> do the actual work on the release, but I could help with the grant
> writing; I have successfully applied for some half dozen science grants
> (o.k., so there were 2 failures, too).
> Best, Michael
> Matt Feifarek wrote:
> > David London wrote:
> >> I'd like to start the petition for the release of a new version.
> > I understand your frustration, and I think that in sentiment, you'll
> > get nothing but agreement from this list, but it's not that simple,
> > I'm afraid.
> > I'm certainly not one of the veterans here, but I've been around since
> > Ww 0.5, and this has been a problem since then.
> > Since it basically works so well, the luminaries (Chuck, Geoff, Tavis,
> > Ian, etc.) don't seem to need to work on it. Lots of them may use CVS
> > or even self-hacked versions.
> > Personally, my firm only uses the last release, for reasons similar to
> > what you describe, but as much as I'd love a current release, we're
> > really in no position to "demand" anything unless we step up
> > ourselves. And a "petition" is pretty much that: a demand.
> > And I'm not comfortable demanding anything of these guys; they've
> > already given us so much. They don't owe us anything. In fact, we
> > probably owe them. If your firm deploys this code to paying clients,
> > why not make it a priority to volunteer some company resources to
> > getting a new release done?
> > In the past, those guys have asked for volunteer release coordinators.
> > And in the past, people have stepped up to do that. Our firm has
> > considered doing it, but we don't really feel qualified, nor do we
> > have any concept of the time commitment involved. We've never done
> > anything like it before, and we're not such cracker-jack programmers.
> > So, rather than demand a release from the original authors, let's talk
> > about what a new release would mean (which kits? what features? what
> > version of python is supported? etc.) and how we might go about
> > getting it done.
> > Some ideas:
> > * we could start a discussion about what should be included in the
> > next release, and what should not
> > * we could take up a collection and *hire* one or more of the original
> > authors as consultants to cut a release for the community
> > * we could again ask for a volunteer
> > Here's a very out-dated release notes text:
> > http://webware.sourceforge.net/oldsite/Webware-0.8.1/Docs/ReleaseProced=
> > ... my 2 cents
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