Freevo - Media Centre Platform

Aubin Paul wrote:
> I made a small set of preview screenshots to show some of the neat
> stuff in Freevo 1.5 (?) and I'd like to announce it on the website,
> but thought I'd run it by the other devs first:
> 
> http://freevo.sourceforge.net/preview/

Those shots look awesome.  I think it would be even cooler to add more 
(after the next release at least - this is great for a preview as it 
is), perhaps the mailreader plugin, tiny_osd usage, scheduling 
recordings, cpu usage idlebar... just rambling now!

-Rob

On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 03:08:58PM -0400, Rob Shortt wrote:
> Those shots look awesome.  I think it would be even cooler to add more 
> (after the next release at least - this is great for a preview as it 
> is), perhaps the mailreader plugin, tiny_osd usage, scheduling 
> recordings, cpu usage idlebar... just rambling now!

I'd like to add some of the scheduled recordings, etc. stuff but
they're not themable at all right now, and while I use them daily,
they don't really match the look of the skin :) If you felt inclined
to even allow a bitmap background for the popups, that would be
something...

Aubin

Aubin Paul wrote:
> I made a small set of preview screenshots to show some of the neat
> stuff in Freevo 1.5 (?) and I'd like to announce it on the website,
> but thought I'd run it by the other devs first:
>
> http://freevo.sourceforge.net/preview/

Looks nice. This you named the mail 'thoughts', here are mine:

o The new watermark icons look nice. If you add them to cvs, make sure
  you don't override the old once to have a different look in the
  different skins. 

o What about v_align=center for the images in the video info?

o Same for h_align for the audio covers. They have less space on the
  left than on the right.

o The icons for up/down don't look like they belong to the same skin,
  they look too different from the rest.

o To remove old skins: what about renaming blurr2 to blurr and remove
  the old one? And to have a non'description view: add default as
  second view after pressing DISPLAY.

o You should also set same more fonts in your skin. Basic includes
  fonts for plugins (e.g. weather):

    <font label="subtitle" name="VeraBd.ttf" size="18" color="0xffffff"/>

    <font label="default" name="VeraBd.ttf" size="16" color="0xffffff"/>

    <font label="small0"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="12" color="default0"/>
    <font label="small1"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="12" color="default1"/>
    <font label="small2"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="12" color="default2"/>

    <font label="medium0" name="VeraBd.ttf" size="16" color="default0"/>
    <font label="medium1" name="VeraBd.ttf" size="16" color="default1"/>
    <font label="medium2" name="VeraBd.ttf" size="16" color="default2"/>

    <font label="large0"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="20" color="default0"/>
    <font label="large1"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="20" color="default1"/>
    <font label="large2"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="20" color="default2"/>

    <font label="huge0"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="28" color="default0"/>
    <font label="huge1"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="28" color="default1"/>
    <font label="huge2"  name="VeraBd.ttf" size="28" color="default2"/>

    <color label="default0" value="0xffffff"/>
    <color label="default1" value="0xffffaa"/>
    <color label="default2" value="0xcccccc"/>



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--- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> I made a small set of preview screenshots to show some of the neat
> stuff in Freevo 1.5 (?) and I'd like to announce it on the website,
> but thought I'd run it by the other devs first:
> 
> http://freevo.sourceforge.net/preview/
> 
> I didn't take shots of any other skins since I just wanted this to be
> a sort of mini-feature tour. When we're ready to do a release, I'll
> do
> a set of screenshots for the Noia skin as well.

I need to THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Now our skins can attrack more users :D
I really like those new icons (and watermark images as well). But some
of my previous remarks continues:
 - Use icons to represent directories, playlists and maybe even
files... That "[dir]" and "PL: playlist" sucks very hard, IMO :(
 - Change colors/fonts/sizes/font-weight of text in InfoArea. You don't
need to put labels there, but make it a little more clear what is the
title, what's artist and so on...

  Another thing, now quite personal thing, i want to see more things
like the frame in WeatherPlugin, maybe around InfoArea and I would like
to see some menu selection extrapolating off the screen (just like the
Music Player does in the both left/right sides).

> There are alt-tags but no captions yet... 

No problems with captions, it's [almost] clear enough what is what.


Wonderful job!

Gustavo

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Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:

> - Use icons to represent directories, playlists and maybe even
>files... That "[dir]" and "PL: playlist" sucks very hard, IMO :(
>  
>
I agree as long as you mean small icons (size of text font)

I have my music in /data/mp3/artist name/cd title/song.
There are 442 subdirectories in /data/mp3
Large icons take too much space on the screen and make it look too similar.
It's not only eye-candy users want, also easy navigation.

Zeratul

I think Gustavo is going to be adding icons to his skin, but I'm
pretty adamant about them not being added to the blurr skin for the
exact same reason... I just find it makes things too cluttered.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 01:29:20PM +0100, Zeratul wrote:
> Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> 
> >- Use icons to represent directories, playlists and maybe even
> >files... That "[dir]" and "PL: playlist" sucks very hard, IMO :(
> > 
> >
> I agree as long as you mean small icons (size of text font)
> 
> I have my music in /data/mp3/artist name/cd title/song.
> There are 442 subdirectories in /data/mp3
> Large icons take too much space on the screen and make it look too similar.
> It's not only eye-candy users want, also easy navigation.
> 
> Zeratul
> 
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 10:00:58PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> I need to THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Now our skins can attrack more users :D
> I really like those new icons (and watermark images as well). But some
> of my previous remarks continues:
>  - Use icons to represent directories, playlists and maybe even
> files... That "[dir]" and "PL: playlist" sucks very hard, IMO :(

You're welcome to add that to an inherited skin, but I don't like to
use too many icons... file type icons especially make me feel like
it's too "computer-y" instead of sleek which is what I'd want on a TV.

Everything looks cluttered, IMHO with icons outside of an image view,
and too much like a file manager... I don't want konqueror or Windows
Explorer on my TV :)

>  - Change colors/fonts/sizes/font-weight of text in InfoArea. You don't
> need to put labels there, but make it a little more clear what is the
> title, what's artist and so on...

Well, I'm not sure how to change those... the artist is big, the album
is a little smaller than the artist and the rest are about the same.

>   Another thing, now quite personal thing, i want to see more things
> like the frame in WeatherPlugin, maybe around InfoArea and I would like
> to see some menu selection extrapolating off the screen (just like the
> Music Player does in the both left/right sides).

I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin first.

Aubin

Hi,

I'd like to run external application from mainmenu in Freevo. I wonder what
would minimal mainmenu plugin for this be ? Any example, code ?

Regards,

Robert.

I have made a plugin in cvs to do this with the commandmmitem.py plugin.
It uses the fxd file format that is new in cvs for command.py. There is
an example fxd in my WIP.

-- 
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On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 19:35, Robert Rozman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to run external application from mainmenu in Freevo. I wonder what
> would minimal mainmenu plugin for this be ? Any example, code ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robert.

Hi,

I've tried that and it works (great - I thought of this and you created
plugin some days ago - I wish that could happen each time I have desire....
:-)     )..

 I'd just ned to do something useful with spawnwm and killwm (I start mythtv
with that and when it finishes I get blank screen).

Could you give us some more info on meaning of parameters in Mozilla.fxd ?

Thanks in advance,

regards,

Robert.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Ruelle" <mikeruelle@...>
To: "FreevoDevel" <freevo-devel@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] Smallest mainmenu plugin to start
"outside"application


> I have made a plugin in cvs to do this with the commandmmitem.py plugin.
> It uses the fxd file format that is new in cvs for command.py. There is
> an example fxd in my WIP.
>
> --
> Mike Ruelle
> mikeruelle@...
> http://world.std.com/~mruelle/
>
> On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 19:35, Robert Rozman wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd like to run external application from mainmenu in Freevo. I wonder
what
> > would minimal mainmenu plugin for this be ? Any example, code ?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Robert.
>
>
>
>
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>From the xml.

stoposd element tells freevo to get out of the way
spawwm element tells freevo to start/stop an x11 window manager while
app is running (obviously you must be running X for this)

>From the local_conf.py:
COMMAND_SPAWN_WM -- how to start your window manager
COMMAND_KILL_WM -- how to stop your window manager

examples:

for ratpoison:
COMMAND_SPAWN_WM = 'ratpoison &'
COMMAND_KILL_WM = 'ratpoison -c quit'

for metacity (gnome default wm):
COMMAND_SPAWN_WM = 'metacity &'
COMMAND_KILL_WM = 'killall metacity'

As for your application problem. Try running a few different apps, to
see if this is application specific. I have tested with MozillaFirebird,
RealPlayer, and a few other apps. I have never tested with MythTv(It
freezes my machine hard and i have to manually reset) although someone
has made a plugin to use mythtv as the tv app for freevo. he was on irc
working with dischi a few weeks ago.

-- 
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mikeruelle@...
http://world.std.com/~mruelle/

On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 09:05, Robert Rozman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've tried that and it works (great - I thought of this and you created
> plugin some days ago - I wish that could happen each time I have desire....
> :-)     )..
> 
>  I'd just ned to do something useful with spawnwm and killwm (I start mythtv
> with that and when it finishes I get blank screen).
> 
> Could you give us some more info on meaning of parameters in Mozilla.fxd ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> regards,
> 
> Robert.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Ruelle" <mikeruelle@...>
> To: "FreevoDevel" <freevo-devel@...>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] Smallest mainmenu plugin to start
> "outside"application
> 
> 
> > I have made a plugin in cvs to do this with the commandmmitem.py plugin.
> > It uses the fxd file format that is new in cvs for command.py. There is
> > an example fxd in my WIP.
> >
> > --
> > Mike Ruelle
> > mikeruelle@...
> > http://world.std.com/~mruelle/
> >
> > On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 19:35, Robert Rozman wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'd like to run external application from mainmenu in Freevo. I wonder
> what
> > > would minimal mainmenu plugin for this be ? Any example, code ?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Robert.

Hi,

Mike mentioned that someone on Freevo's IRC was working (with Dischi) on tv
plugin for Mythtv under Freevo.
Does anyone have any more info on this ?

Thanks,

Robert.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Ruelle" <mikeruelle@...>
To: "FreevoDevel" <freevo-devel@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] Smallest mainmenu plugin to
start"outside"application
>
> As for your application problem. Try running a few different apps, to
> see if this is application specific. I have tested with MozillaFirebird,
> RealPlayer, and a few other apps. I have never tested with MythTv(It
> freezes my machine hard and i have to manually reset) although someone
> has made a plugin to use mythtv as the tv app for freevo. he was on irc
> working with dischi a few weeks ago.
>
> --
> Mike Ruelle
> mikeruelle@...
> http://world.std.com/~mruelle/
>
> On Sun, 2004-02-01 at 09:05, Robert Rozman wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've tried that and it works (great - I thought of this and you created
> > plugin some days ago - I wish that could happen each time I have
desire....
> > :-)     )..
> >
> >  I'd just ned to do something useful with spawnwm and killwm (I start
mythtv
> > with that and when it finishes I get blank screen).
> >
> > Could you give us some more info on meaning of parameters in Mozilla.fxd
?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Robert.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Ruelle" <mikeruelle@...>
> > To: "FreevoDevel" <freevo-devel@...>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] Smallest mainmenu plugin to start
> > "outside"application
> >
> >
> > > I have made a plugin in cvs to do this with the commandmmitem.py
plugin.
> > > It uses the fxd file format that is new in cvs for command.py. There
is
> > > an example fxd in my WIP.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike Ruelle
> > > mikeruelle@...
> > > http://world.std.com/~mruelle/
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 19:35, Robert Rozman wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to run external application from mainmenu in Freevo. I
wonder
> > what
> > > > would minimal mainmenu plugin for this be ? Any example, code ?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Robert.
>
>
>
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--- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 10:00:58PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> wrote:
> > I need to THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Now our skins can attrack more users
> :D
> > I really like those new icons (and watermark images as well). But
> some
> > of my previous remarks continues:
> >  - Use icons to represent directories, playlists and maybe even
> > files... That "[dir]" and "PL: playlist" sucks very hard, IMO :(
> 
> You're welcome to add that to an inherited skin, but I don't like to
> use too many icons... file type icons especially make me feel like
> it's too "computer-y" instead of sleek which is what I'd want on a
> TV.
> 
> Everything looks cluttered, IMHO with icons outside of an image view,
> and too much like a file manager... I don't want konqueror or Windows
> Explorer on my TV :)

Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped, colors
should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but [] and
PL are too :(

> 
> >  - Change colors/fonts/sizes/font-weight of text in InfoArea. You
> don't
> > need to put labels there, but make it a little more clear what is
> the
> > title, what's artist and so on...
> 
> Well, I'm not sure how to change those... the artist is big, the
> album
> is a little smaller than the artist and the rest are about the same.

The rest is ok, problem is between album & artist. Maybe colors?

BTW, I'm suggesting colors but I'm not good with them :( It's just an
idea, I have no clue on what color to use

> >   Another thing, now quite personal thing, i want to see more
> things
> > like the frame in WeatherPlugin, maybe around InfoArea and I would
> like
> > to see some menu selection extrapolating off the screen (just like
> the
> > Music Player does in the both left/right sides).
> 
> I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin first.

Good.

Gustavo

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On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:04:09AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped, colors
> should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but [] and
> PL are too :(

That might work... though the [] seem ok to me... I'm thinking about
how I could make the directories/pl files look different without
looking weird...

> > I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin first.

See my screenshot for an alternate player I posted yesterday.

Bold?

using color alone might cause problems for people who are color-blind.

On the tivo you get an arrow next to it if theres a sub-menu to that
option, but this only works as all navigation can be done via
up/down/left/right (while rules by the way, you just keep your thumb on
the joypad-like bit of the remote).

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:13:43 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
said:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:04:09AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped, colors
> > should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but [] and
> > PL are too :(
> 
> That might work... though the [] seem ok to me... I'm thinking about
> how I could make the directories/pl files look different without
> looking weird...
> 
> > > I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin first.
> 
> See my screenshot for an alternate player I posted yesterday.
> 
> 
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On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 15:43, Chris Griffiths wrote:
> Bold?
> 
> using color alone might cause problems for people who are color-blind.
> 

People who are color blind will see the difference when you use two
different colors. Maybe they don't know exactly wich colors are used but
they will see that they aren't the same just like if you use normal and
bold.

Bart

Bold is probably not going to look much different... it's not difficult 
to do, just change the font definitions, and you're right about the 
colour, it's not easy to discern low contrast color changes on a low 
resolution screen.

The Tivo idea could work, we could just make a plugin to send "ENTER" 
instead of "RIGHT" since right just jumps to the bottom of the menu 
right now.

Chris Griffiths wrote:
> Bold?
> 
> using color alone might cause problems for people who are color-blind.
> 
> On the tivo you get an arrow next to it if theres a sub-menu to that
> option, but this only works as all navigation can be done via
> up/down/left/right (while rules by the way, you just keep your thumb on
> the joypad-like bit of the remote).
> 
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:13:43 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
> said:
> 
>>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:04:09AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped, colors
>>>should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but [] and
>>>PL are too :(
>>
>>That might work... though the [] seem ok to me... I'm thinking about
>>how I could make the directories/pl files look different without
>>looking weird...
>>
>>
>>>>I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin first.
>>
>>See my screenshot for an alternate player I posted yesterday.
>>
>>
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The tivo menu system is very fast once you get used to it.

Pretty all navigation can be done via just the arrow keys / direction
pad.

right enters a new menu / selects an option (i.e. play movie).
When you're done with the movie left will back you out etc, more lefts
will back you up the menu structure.

CH+/CH- work as page up, page down.

There is a "select" button, but its very rare that you _need_ to use that
rather than the direction keys - one place that springs to mind is the
alphabet grid where you select letters to form a name for searching.

It's also the most ergonomic remote i've ever used - I'm going to get one
of the newer ones that switches to control two tivos, with the second one
to controll freevo (and have lirc listen for the TiVo button for each
remote and then send ir to select inputs on the amp, and the TV-off to
also send a power off to the amp)

- Chris

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:34:26 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
said:
> Bold is probably not going to look much different... it's not difficult 
> to do, just change the font definitions, and you're right about the 
> colour, it's not easy to discern low contrast color changes on a low 
> resolution screen.
> 
> The Tivo idea could work, we could just make a plugin to send "ENTER" 
> instead of "RIGHT" since right just jumps to the bottom of the menu 
> right now.
> 
> Chris Griffiths wrote:
> > Bold?
> > 
> > using color alone might cause problems for people who are color-blind.
> > 
> > On the tivo you get an arrow next to it if theres a sub-menu to that
> > option, but this only works as all navigation can be done via
> > up/down/left/right (while rules by the way, you just keep your thumb on
> > the joypad-like bit of the remote).
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:13:43 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
> > said:
> > 
> >>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:04:09AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> >>
> >>>Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped, colors
> >>>should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but [] and
> >>>PL are too :(
> >>
> >>That might work... though the [] seem ok to me... I'm thinking about
> >>how I could make the directories/pl files look different without
> >>looking weird...
> >>
> >>
> >>>>I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin first.
> >>
> >>See my screenshot for an alternate player I posted yesterday.
> >>
> >>
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> > 
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Here's an animated .gif which shows how tivo indicates if
up/down/left/right is appropriate.

http://www.tivo.com/i/1.0/1.2_animscreen.gif



On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:34:26 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
said:
> Bold is probably not going to look much different... it's not difficult 
> to do, just change the font definitions, and you're right about the 
> colour, it's not easy to discern low contrast color changes on a low 
> resolution screen.
> 
> The Tivo idea could work, we could just make a plugin to send "ENTER" 
> instead of "RIGHT" since right just jumps to the bottom of the menu 
> right now.
> 
> Chris Griffiths wrote:
> > Bold?
> > 
> > using color alone might cause problems for people who are color-blind.
> > 
> > On the tivo you get an arrow next to it if theres a sub-menu to that
> > option, but this only works as all navigation can be done via
> > up/down/left/right (while rules by the way, you just keep your thumb on
> > the joypad-like bit of the remote).
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:13:43 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
> > said:
> > 
> >>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:04:09AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> >>
> >>>Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped, colors
> >>>should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but [] and
> >>>PL are too :(
> >>
> >>That might work... though the [] seem ok to me... I'm thinking about
> >>how I could make the directories/pl files look different without
> >>looking weird...
> >>
> >>
> >>>>I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin first.
> >>
> >>See my screenshot for an alternate player I posted yesterday.
> >>
> >>
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--- Chris Griffiths <freevo-dev@...> escreveu: 
> The tivo menu system is very fast once you get used to it.
> 
> Pretty all navigation can be done via just the arrow keys / direction
> pad.
> 
> right enters a new menu / selects an option (i.e. play movie).
> When you're done with the movie left will back you out etc, more
> lefts
> will back you up the menu structure.
> 
> CH+/CH- work as page up, page down.
> 
> There is a "select" button, but its very rare that you _need_ to use
> that
> rather than the direction keys - one place that springs to mind is
> the
> alphabet grid where you select letters to form a name for searching.
> 

commited to CVS, src/menu.py, rev. 1.82. Please test it.

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Tivo is really cool. 

Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back and RIGHT
to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I don't think
it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need arrows to
explain to you anymore.

Gustavo


 --- Chris Griffiths <freevo-dev@...> escreveu: 
> Here's an animated .gif which shows how tivo indicates if
> up/down/left/right is appropriate.
> 
> http://www.tivo.com/i/1.0/1.2_animscreen.gif
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:34:26 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
> said:
> > Bold is probably not going to look much different... it's not
> difficult 
> > to do, just change the font definitions, and you're right about the
> 
> > colour, it's not easy to discern low contrast color changes on a
> low 
> > resolution screen.
> > 
> > The Tivo idea could work, we could just make a plugin to send
> "ENTER" 
> > instead of "RIGHT" since right just jumps to the bottom of the menu
> 
> > right now.
> > 
> > Chris Griffiths wrote:
> > > Bold?
> > > 
> > > using color alone might cause problems for people who are
> color-blind.
> > > 
> > > On the tivo you get an arrow next to it if theres a sub-menu to
> that
> > > option, but this only works as all navigation can be done via
> > > up/down/left/right (while rules by the way, you just keep your
> thumb on
> > > the joypad-like bit of the remote).
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:13:43 -0500, "Aubin Paul"
> <aubin@...>
> > > said:
> > > 
> > >>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:04:09AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut
> Barbieri wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped,
> colors
> > >>>should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but
> [] and
> > >>>PL are too :(
> > >>
> > >>That might work... though the [] seem ok to me... I'm thinking
> about
> > >>how I could make the directories/pl files look different without
> > >>looking weird...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>>I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin
> first.
> > >>
> > >>See my screenshot for an alternate player I posted yesterday.
> > >>
> > >>
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i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....

-adam

On Feb 4, 2004, at 17:48, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:

> Tivo is really cool.
>
> Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back and RIGHT
> to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I don't think
> it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need arrows to
> explain to you anymore.
>
> Gustavo

The way we have that now is something I've never liked. I changed it
about a year ago to have CHUP/CHDOWN go page at a time, but everyone
else preferred going from the top to the bottom of the list on those
keys...

You can hit CHDOWN twice to go to the next page now... 

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 05:55:45PM -0500, Adam Stephens wrote:
> i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....
> 
> -adam
> 
> On Feb 4, 2004, at 17:48, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> 
> >Tivo is really cool.
> >
> >Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back and RIGHT
> >to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I don't think
> >it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need arrows to
> >explain to you anymore.
> >
> >Gustavo
> 
> 
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Works great!

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 07:48:27PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> Tivo is really cool. 
> 
> Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back and RIGHT
> to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I don't think
> it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need arrows to
> explain to you anymore.
> 
> Gustavo
> 
> 
>  --- Chris Griffiths <freevo-dev@...> escreveu: 
> > Here's an animated .gif which shows how tivo indicates if
> > up/down/left/right is appropriate.
> > 
> > http://www.tivo.com/i/1.0/1.2_animscreen.gif
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:34:26 -0500, "Aubin Paul" <aubin@...>
> > said:
> > > Bold is probably not going to look much different... it's not
> > difficult 
> > > to do, just change the font definitions, and you're right about the
> > 
> > > colour, it's not easy to discern low contrast color changes on a
> > low 
> > > resolution screen.
> > > 
> > > The Tivo idea could work, we could just make a plugin to send
> > "ENTER" 
> > > instead of "RIGHT" since right just jumps to the bottom of the menu
> > 
> > > right now.
> > > 
> > > Chris Griffiths wrote:
> > > > Bold?
> > > > 
> > > > using color alone might cause problems for people who are
> > color-blind.
> > > > 
> > > > On the tivo you get an arrow next to it if theres a sub-menu to
> > that
> > > > option, but this only works as all navigation can be done via
> > > > up/down/left/right (while rules by the way, you just keep your
> > thumb on
> > > > the joypad-like bit of the remote).
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:13:43 -0500, "Aubin Paul"
> > <aubin@...>
> > > > said:
> > > > 
> > > >>On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 02:04:09AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut
> > Barbieri wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Ok, so maybe colors? Since dirs, pl and files are grouped,
> > colors
> > > >>>should suffice. I agree with you that it's too computer-y, but
> > [] and
> > > >>>PL are too :(
> > > >>
> > > >>That might work... though the [] seem ok to me... I'm thinking
> > about
> > > >>how I could make the directories/pl files look different without
> > > >>looking weird...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>>I want to use it elsewhere, but I'm going to finish this skin
> > first.
> > > >>
> > > >>See my screenshot for an alternate player I posted yesterday.
> > > >>
> > > >>
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--- Adam Stephens <adam.c.stephens@...> escreveu: 
> i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....
> 
> -adam
> 

Page up/down was mapped to ch+/- already.

what you mean with "i love the tivo interface"? You want those arrows?
IMHO they just bloat the interface... Arrows are useful as in listings
to show that there are more items one screen down/up, like freevo is
now.

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On Feb 4, 2004, at 19:29, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
>
> Page up/down was mapped to ch+/- already.
>
> what you mean with "i love the tivo interface"? You want those arrows?
> IMHO they just bloat the interface... Arrows are useful as in listings
> to show that there are more items one screen down/up, like freevo is
> now.
>
> Gustavo

i mean i love how you interact with it. i don't really care about the 
arrows and tend to agree with you that they bloat the interface. i like 
simple/minimalistic interfaces. one of the many reasons i like freevo 
and not mythtv.

i can't wait to check out the new single column mode. i will as soon as 
i get my setup functioning again....hopefully today or tomorrow.

-adam

Really? So change that.

Gustavo

 --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> The way we have that now is something I've never liked. I changed it
> about a year ago to have CHUP/CHDOWN go page at a time, but everyone
> else preferred going from the top to the bottom of the list on those
> keys...
> 
> You can hit CHDOWN twice to go to the next page now... 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 05:55:45PM -0500, Adam Stephens wrote:
> > i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....
> > 
> > -adam
> > 
> > On Feb 4, 2004, at 17:48, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > 
> > >Tivo is really cool.
> > >
> > >Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back and
> RIGHT
> > >to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I don't
> think
> > >it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need
> arrows to
> > >explain to you anymore.
> > >
> > >Gustavo
> > 
> > 
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I did it once... it was changed back; so I won't be changing that
again... 

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:28:09PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> Really? So change that.
> 
> Gustavo
> 
>  --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> > The way we have that now is something I've never liked. I changed it
> > about a year ago to have CHUP/CHDOWN go page at a time, but everyone
> > else preferred going from the top to the bottom of the list on those
> > keys...
> > 
> > You can hit CHDOWN twice to go to the next page now... 
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 05:55:45PM -0500, Adam Stephens wrote:
> > > i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....
> > > 
> > > -adam
> > > 
> > > On Feb 4, 2004, at 17:48, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > > 
> > > >Tivo is really cool.
> > > >
> > > >Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back and
> > RIGHT
> > > >to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I don't
> > think
> > > >it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need
> > arrows to
> > > >explain to you anymore.
> > > >
> > > >Gustavo
> > > 
> > > 
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Who reversed your change? Could you please ask him and inform that
people like the other way most?

Gustavo


 --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> I did it once... it was changed back; so I won't be changing that
> again... 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:28:09PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> wrote:
> > Really? So change that.
> > 
> > Gustavo
> > 
> >  --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> > > The way we have that now is something I've never liked. I changed
> it
> > > about a year ago to have CHUP/CHDOWN go page at a time, but
> everyone
> > > else preferred going from the top to the bottom of the list on
> those
> > > keys...
> > > 
> > > You can hit CHDOWN twice to go to the next page now... 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 05:55:45PM -0500, Adam Stephens wrote:
> > > > i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....
> > > > 
> > > > -adam
> > > > 
> > > > On Feb 4, 2004, at 17:48, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >Tivo is really cool.
> > > > >
> > > > >Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back
> and
> > > RIGHT
> > > > >to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I
> don't
> > > think
> > > > >it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need
> > > arrows to
> > > > >explain to you anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > >Gustavo
> > > > 
> > > > 
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"Chris Griffiths" wrote:
> On the tivo you get an arrow next to it if theres a sub-menu to that
> option, but this only works as all navigation can be done via
> up/down/left/right (while rules by the way, you just keep your thumb on
> the joypad-like bit of the remote).

You could set the key RIGHT to the item menu. And I don't think we
need an icon to display that there is a submenu because now all items
have one. 


Dischi

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FATAL ERROR! SYSTEM HALTED! - Press any key to do nothing...

It was Krister...

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/freevo/freevo/Attic/menu.py

(See 1.31->1.32)

Aubin

On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:38:50PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> Who reversed your change? Could you please ask him and inform that
> people like the other way most?
> 
> Gustavo
> 
> 
>  --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> > I did it once... it was changed back; so I won't be changing that
> > again... 
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:28:09PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > wrote:
> > > Really? So change that.
> > > 
> > > Gustavo
> > > 
> > >  --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> > > > The way we have that now is something I've never liked. I changed
> > it
> > > > about a year ago to have CHUP/CHDOWN go page at a time, but
> > everyone
> > > > else preferred going from the top to the bottom of the list on
> > those
> > > > keys...
> > > > 
> > > > You can hit CHDOWN twice to go to the next page now... 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 05:55:45PM -0500, Adam Stephens wrote:
> > > > > i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....
> > > > > 
> > > > > -adam
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Feb 4, 2004, at 17:48, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > >Tivo is really cool.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go back
> > and
> > > > RIGHT
> > > > > >to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I
> > don't
> > > > think
> > > > > >it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't need
> > > > arrows to
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How, that was a long time ago (15months)... that time we still had the
sub menu.

Maybe you should ask krister in private if he didn't reply to this
thread or even change the behaviour and wait for user comments.

Gustavo

 --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> It was Krister...
> 
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/freevo/freevo/Attic/menu.py
> 
> (See 1.31->1.32)
> 
> Aubin
> 
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:38:50PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> wrote:
> > Who reversed your change? Could you please ask him and inform that
> > people like the other way most?
> > 
> > Gustavo
> > 
> > 
> >  --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> > > I did it once... it was changed back; so I won't be changing that
> > > again... 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:28:09PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut
> Barbieri
> > > wrote:
> > > > Really? So change that.
> > > > 
> > > > Gustavo
> > > > 
> > > >  --- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> > > > > The way we have that now is something I've never liked. I
> changed
> > > it
> > > > > about a year ago to have CHUP/CHDOWN go page at a time, but
> > > everyone
> > > > > else preferred going from the top to the bottom of the list
> on
> > > those
> > > > > keys...
> > > > > 
> > > > > You can hit CHDOWN twice to go to the next page now... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 05:55:45PM -0500, Adam Stephens
> wrote:
> > > > > > i love the tivo interface. what about page up and down....
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -adam
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Feb 4, 2004, at 17:48, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >Tivo is really cool.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Now (CVS) we support, in single column mode, LEFT to go
> back
> > > and
> > > > > RIGHT
> > > > > > >to enter menu/play items, but no visual return on that. I
> > > don't
> > > > > think
> > > > > > >it's a problem, since when you get used to it you don't
> need
> > > > > arrows to
> > > > > > >explain to you anymore.
> > > > > > >
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On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:20:50AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> How, that was a long time ago (15months)... that time we still had the
> sub menu.

True.

> Maybe you should ask krister in private if he didn't reply to this
> thread or even change the behaviour and wait for user comments.

Well, I don't like the idea of making a behaviour change that the
founder of the project disagrees with. A configurable option might be
best.

Aubin Paul wrote:
> I'd like to add some of the scheduled recordings, etc. stuff but
> they're not themable at all right now, and while I use them daily,
> they don't really match the look of the skin :) If you felt inclined
> to even allow a bitmap background for the popups, that would be
> something...

As you probably can tell, I don't want to spend too much time on the 
src/gui/* code.  If my pyui tests work out then you'll have your wish, 
and more. :)

-Rob

Aubin Paul wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 03:20:50AM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> 
>>How, that was a long time ago (15months)... that time we still had the
>>sub menu.
> 
> 
> True.
> 
> 
>>Maybe you should ask krister in private if he didn't reply to this
>>thread or even change the behaviour and wait for user comments.
> 
> 
> Well, I don't like the idea of making a behaviour change that the
> founder of the project disagrees with. A configurable option might be
> best.

IIRC, the main reason for the current behaviour was to make it quicker 
to navigate to items on the current page. Moving from one item to the 
next used to be a lot slower than now. So it might not be that important 
anymore, CHUP/CHDOWN might make more sense to scroll to the next page. 
But as someone else commented, old-time users probably won't be too 
happy if the behaviour changes on them without warning.

		/ Krister

True... though there will be warning if we change the default,  in the
sense that it will accompany a pretty significant release with lots of
other changes...  and the old behaviour will always be available for 
those who want it. 

Personally, I don't mind which is the default, as long as both options
are there I can configure things the way I'd like. I do admit the
left/right stuff and pgup/pgdown stuff is more intuitive the new way we're
talking about....

Aubin


On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 10:04:34PM -0600, Krister Lagerstrom wrote:
> IIRC, the main reason for the current behaviour was to make it quicker 
> to navigate to items on the current page. Moving from one item to the 
> next used to be a lot slower than now. So it might not be that important 
> anymore, CHUP/CHDOWN might make more sense to scroll to the next page. 
> But as someone else commented, old-time users probably won't be too 
> happy if the behaviour changes on them without warning.

Aubin Paul wrote:
> True... though there will be warning if we change the default,  in the
> sense that it will accompany a pretty significant release with lots of
> other changes...  and the old behaviour will always be available for 
> those who want it. 

It is now. And the warning is in the log what changed in
freevo_config.py. 


Dischi

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--- Aubin Paul <aubin@...> escreveu: 
> True... though there will be warning if we change the default,  in
> the
> sense that it will accompany a pretty significant release with lots
> of
> other changes...  and the old behaviour will always be available for 
> those who want it. 
> 
> Personally, I don't mind which is the default, as long as both
> options
> are there I can configure things the way I'd like. I do admit the
> left/right stuff and pgup/pgdown stuff is more intuitive the new way
> we're
> talking about....

Since dischi, even liking the old navigations key most, changed the
behaviour to now enter/go-back in menu with right/left arrows, we
should also make the new behaviour the default and warn users (put it
in the release note).

Gustavo

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