--- Greg Knaddison <greg.knaddison@...> wrote:
> Seems more like an annoyance than a deal breaker.
> And there are
> workarounds for many of these such as the "Try True"
> block I know
> people add to the top of Jython scripts.
Never said it was a deal breaker. Hey, I agree with
you that 2.1 works well for what it is. But annoyances
are annoyances. Why do people have to do all kinds of
workarounds instead of just being able to use it?
"If you want it just add it yourself" doesn't really
work. The reality is that most people just want to use
Jython so they can work faster and look good in front
of boss/get on with their lives/play more with their
kids/spend more time with significant other, etc.
Having to add all kinds of workarounds makes it more
likely to them to just turn to another solution.
("Well this is free software, if you don't like it,
you're always free to turn to others" is not
particularly helping Jython's case, is it?)
> > Well, CPython is a mature implementation, it works
> > well, but it keeps evolving with 2.2, 2.3, and 2.4
> > release. People can't help but wondering whether
> > Jython is dead since it'd been stuck at 2.1 for
> > 2 years (or 3?).
> Maybe they can't help wondering, but if they can
> search and read
> newsgroups and forums and...they can see it's not
Yeah. It was "not dead", like you said. It was not
ALIVE. When something is ALIVE, like CPython, you
don't have to dig deep to see its aliveness. Its
aliveness is there right shining in your face. You go
like, "Okay, okay, CPython!! I know you're alive
Such had not been the case with Jython before the PSF
grant initiative happened. You had to really listen
carefully for a pulse there...
> From my understanding, you are wrong. For a long
> time Samuele Pedroni
> has been working on the "new style classes". This
> December/January he moved to PyPy project and Brian
> Zimmer took over
> the major work on Jython finishing off the new style
> classes and
> opening up Jython for more volunteer/patch
Yeah. This was and is great news as always. I'm really
thankful that there are people like Brian Zimmer and
Samuele Pedroni and the rest of the Jython team.
> Also, in the world of Open Source is there really
> such a thing as
> "abandoned"? The code exists somewhere, you can
> always get it and
> hack it if you want.
Well yeah but again... not everyone is a Jim Hugunin.
If an open source project is abandoned, most people
will simply turn to other projects. Or people who can
afford to commit the time and/or have the expertise
will create their own solution (be it because they
think they can create a "better Python", or what have
Which would really be a pity if it were to happen to
Jython since it is such a great thing. I really don't
want to clutter my brain with some guy's notion of a
"better Python" like boo. I just want Python on my
JVM, so Jython is really the greatest thing :)
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