gumstix

Yes -- next gen gumstix will endeavor to be rohs compliant so we can  
keep selling them to our European friends

C

On Sep 29, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Andrew Plumb wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> Has any thought been given to releasing a RoHS-compliant Gumstix,  
> if it isn't already?
>
> Andrew.
>
> On 9/27/05, Craig Hughes <craig@...> wrote:
> We're in the process of thinking about the next gen gumstix (the
> motherboard, as it were).  It'll be PXA27x based (looks like we're
> getting approval for the CPUs with stacked RAM and flash on them
> which I had previously understood they didn't want to sell to non-
> callphone people -- I guess our volumes are starting to get Intel
> interested maybe).  Anyway, the new CPU with stacked RAM and flash
> will be a *lot* smaller than the current gumstix board footprint.  So
> we have a choice:
>
> 1. Same size of 80x20mm, with more functionality on board (like wifi)
> 2. About half the size, say 40x20mm, with similar functionality to
> current gumstix (albeit it fancier, with host/OTG usb, video in, and
> all the other goodies the PXA27x has on it)
>
> Right now, we're also looking at backward-compatibility on the 60-pin
> connector (except with the semantics of the USB changing to OTG
> instead of client only), and then most likely a new connector to
> replace the existing 92-pin connector.  And alternative is to keep
> the 92-pin and add a 3 connector, but I personally think that concept
> sucks worse than just updating the 92-pin connector.
>
> Thoughts welcome.
>
> C
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Hi Andrew, this RoHS issue is interesting. Some pilot tests on this end
have shown relative ease of transition to RoHS compliance. Most SMT can
be done with the same equipment, just different solder and higher temp.
Assuming you can find RoHS compliant parts hehe. The PXA270 at digikey
right now contains lead and is not RoHS compliant. But from what I see
going on, everyone is going down this road, not just europe. So Intel
has no choice but provide compliant parts. Some trickier things may not
be the electrical components, because those will be well documented for
RoHS compliance, but rather mechanical and other components, example
does your plastic enclosure use fire retardant that contains chemicals
resitricted by RoHS ...

  -- Doug


Andrew Plumb wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> Has any thought been given to releasing a RoHS-compliant Gumstix, if 
> it isn't already?
>
> Andrew.

On Sep 29, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Doug Sutherland wrote:

> Hi Andrew, this RoHS issue is interesting. Some pilot tests on this  
> end
> have shown relative ease of transition to RoHS compliance. Most SMT  
> can
> be done with the same equipment, just different solder and higher  
> temp.
> Assuming you can find RoHS compliant parts hehe. The PXA270 at digikey
> right now contains lead and is not RoHS compliant. But from what I see
> going on, everyone is going down this road, not just europe. So Intel
> has no choice but provide compliant parts. Some trickier things may  
> not
> be the electrical components, because those will be well documented  
> for
> RoHS compliance, but rather mechanical and other components, example
> does your plastic enclosure use fire retardant that contains chemicals
> resitricted by RoHS ...

Yeah, my basic working theory here is that if Europe is serious about  
this, then Intel (and everyone else) will certainly be making  
compliant parts available (though they might cost more), and every CM  
on the planet is going to be capable of making RoHS compliant stuff  
(ie their machines and solder supplies will be just fine).  It's not  
gumstix demanding it that's going to make the difference -- we'll  
basically just get to be able to be compliant because it'll be a  
check-box to tick on the order forms from the parts suppliers and the  
CMs.  It doesn't matter if nobody but Europe ever has a RoHS-like  
law; europe's plenty big enough of a market that it'll just happen.

C

Craig,

I'm watching an electronics manufacturer prepare for RoHS, have seen some
presentations and such, and they will be ready. Any electronics manufacturer
in north america not ready for RoHS won't be around very long. In fact, soon
it will cost more not to be RoHS compliant. Volume of leaded components will
be very small compared to now. Intel may be scrambling but the entire world
will be demanding compliant parts. China is implementing a similar standard
but even more strict, Japan is going RoHS, my bet is that Canada and USA
will be RoHS (or similar) soon. And the industry will be compliant sooner,
to keep their market wide.

  -- Doug



Craig Hughes wrote:

> On Sep 29, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Doug Sutherland wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew, this RoHS issue is interesting. Some pilot tests on this  end
>> have shown relative ease of transition to RoHS compliance. Most SMT  can
>> be done with the same equipment, just different solder and higher  temp.
>> Assuming you can find RoHS compliant parts hehe. The PXA270 at digikey
>> right now contains lead and is not RoHS compliant. But from what I see
>> going on, everyone is going down this road, not just europe. So Intel
>> has no choice but provide compliant parts. Some trickier things may  not
>> be the electrical components, because those will be well documented  for
>> RoHS compliance, but rather mechanical and other components, example
>> does your plastic enclosure use fire retardant that contains chemicals
>> resitricted by RoHS ...
>
>
> Yeah, my basic working theory here is that if Europe is serious about  
> this, then Intel (and everyone else) will certainly be making  
> compliant parts available (though they might cost more), and every CM  
> on the planet is going to be capable of making RoHS compliant stuff  
> (ie their machines and solder supplies will be just fine).  It's not  
> gumstix demanding it that's going to make the difference -- we'll  
> basically just get to be able to be compliant because it'll be a  
> check-box to tick on the order forms from the parts suppliers and the  
> CMs.  It doesn't matter if nobody but Europe ever has a RoHS-like  
> law; europe's plenty big enough of a market that it'll just happen.
>
> C
>
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On Sep 29, 2005, at 4:08 PM, Doug Sutherland wrote:

> USA will be RoHS (or similar) soon

I can't wait until 2008 either.

C

Craig Hughes wrote:
 > I can't wait until 2008 either.

North America is way behind on these kinds of regulations. One other 
interesting
thing about RoHS is that a certain cross section of parts are just not 
going to
be available anymore. This is because there are exemptions for things 
that are
critical, safety, industrial, military, etc. Right now many companies 
sell to
both commercial and industrial/military, some will decide to stop 
selling to the
RoHS market because their other market is larger. Some of those will go 
RoHS
later when alternatives prove safe/reliable, but for some there are no 
known
alternatives to meet the specs.

Soon we'll be talking about other new regulations requiring payment up 
front for
the recycling and disposal. What happens to gum at EOL cycle? LOL

   -- Doug

On Sep 29, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Doug Sutherland wrote:

> What happens to gum at EOL cycle?

Just stick it to the underside of a table.

C

I'm an IT Manager (THAT actually knows a thing or two
about IT, BTW };->) who works for a manufacturer of
reflow and wave solder machines.  I can definitely
confirm that Europe (Elcoteq in particular) and the
U.S. in some markets (Intel) are making huge strides
in pushing towards lead-free processes to meet the
looming deadline. (It really is looming, as I still
can't believe how slow corporations move). DOug is
right that the process changes (if I have the threads
right) are not a huge barrier, but contaminated
equipment is a big problem. It, more often than not,
requires significant retrofitting of the machines
(solder pots, wave nozzles, etc) and the materials
change can affect things like wear rates of some
components (I should probably stop here. I seem to
recall signing some non-disclosure thingy way back
when... :)

Laker

--- Craig Hughes <craig@...> wrote:

> On Sep 29, 2005, at 3:33 PM, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> 
> > Hi Andrew, this RoHS issue is interesting. Some
> pilot tests on this  
> > end
> > have shown relative ease of transition to RoHS
> compliance. Most SMT  
> > can
> > be done with the same equipment, just different
> solder and higher  
> > temp.
> > Assuming you can find RoHS compliant parts hehe.
> The PXA270 at digikey
> > right now contains lead and is not RoHS compliant.
> But from what I see
> > going on, everyone is going down this road, not
> just europe. So Intel
> > has no choice but provide compliant parts. Some
> trickier things may  
> > not
> > be the electrical components, because those will
> be well documented  
> > for
> > RoHS compliance, but rather mechanical and other
> components, example
> > does your plastic enclosure use fire retardant
> that contains chemicals
> > resitricted by RoHS ...
> 
> Yeah, my basic working theory here is that if Europe
> is serious about  
> this, then Intel (and everyone else) will certainly
> be making  
> compliant parts available (though they might cost
> more), and every CM  
> on the planet is going to be capable of making RoHS
> compliant stuff  
> (ie their machines and solder supplies will be just
> fine).  It's not  
> gumstix demanding it that's going to make the
> difference -- we'll  
> basically just get to be able to be compliant
> because it'll be a  
> check-box to tick on the order forms from the parts
> suppliers and the  
> CMs.  It doesn't matter if nobody but Europe ever
> has a RoHS-like  
> law; europe's plenty big enough of a market that
> it'll just happen.
> 
> C
> 
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Another good reason for a smaller form factor ;-)

--- Craig Hughes <craig@...> wrote:

> On Sep 29, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> 
> > What happens to gum at EOL cycle?
> 
> Just stick it to the underside of a table.
> 
> C
> 
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Hi Doug,

What actually triggered this question (besides my own tracking of issues at
http://www.greensupplyline.com/) was that a local shop has started carrying
a selection of RoHS-compliant harddrives:

http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/search.php?search=3DRoHS&cid=3D0

It's already reaching the general public in some products!

Andrew.

On 9/29/05, Doug Sutherland <doug@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew, this RoHS issue is interesting. Some pilot tests on this end
> have shown relative ease of transition to RoHS compliance. Most SMT can
> be done with the same equipment, just different solder and higher temp.
> Assuming you can find RoHS compliant parts hehe. The PXA270 at digikey
> right now contains lead and is not RoHS compliant. But from what I see
> going on, everyone is going down this road, not just europe. So Intel
> has no choice but provide compliant parts. Some trickier things may not
> be the electrical components, because those will be well documented for
> RoHS compliance, but rather mechanical and other components, example
> does your plastic enclosure use fire retardant that contains chemicals
> resitricted by RoHS ...
>
> -- Doug
>
>
> Andrew Plumb wrote:
>
> > Hi Craig,
> >
> > Has any thought been given to releasing a RoHS-compliant Gumstix, if
> > it isn't already?
> >
> > Andrew.
>
>
>
>
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Hi,

We are looking to sell gumbase products internationally which would 
include Europe.

Cheers

Grahame Jordan

Andrew Plumb wrote:

> Hi Doug,
>
> What actually triggered this question (besides my own tracking of 
> issues at http://www.greensupplyline.com/) was that a local shop has 
> started carrying a selection of RoHS-compliant harddrives:
>
> http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/search.php?search=RoHS&cid=0 
> <http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/search.php?search=RoHS&cid=0>
>
> It's already reaching the general public in some products!
>
> Andrew.
>
> On 9/29/05, *Doug Sutherland* <doug@... 
> <mailto:doug@...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Andrew, this RoHS issue is interesting. Some pilot tests on
>     this end
>     have shown relative ease of transition to RoHS compliance. Most
>     SMT can
>     be done with the same equipment, just different solder and higher
>     temp.
>     Assuming you can find RoHS compliant parts hehe. The PXA270 at digikey
>     right now contains lead and is not RoHS compliant. But from what I see
>     going on, everyone is going down this road, not just europe. So Intel
>     has no choice but provide compliant parts. Some trickier things
>     may not
>     be the electrical components, because those will be well
>     documented for
>     RoHS compliance, but rather mechanical and other components, example
>     does your plastic enclosure use fire retardant that contains chemicals
>     resitricted by RoHS ...
>
>       -- Doug
>
>
>     Andrew Plumb wrote:
>
>     > Hi Craig,
>     >
>     > Has any thought been given to releasing a RoHS-compliant
>     Gumstix, if
>     > it isn't already?
>     >
>     > Andrew.
>
>
>
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