Webware for Python

Terrel Shumway <tshumway@...>:
>
> The code in CGIWrapper/CGIWrapper.py hasn't been touched in 10 months
> (and then only to fix a minor bug). It seems to be implementing
> MiscUtils.Configurable from before it was factored out into a separate
> class. It may not be broken, but my feeling is that bit rot has
> definitely set in.
> 
> Is anyone using it? Does anyone care?

This is the one that lets you use the standard CGI module through
webware, for increased efficiency -- right? I've been thinking about
using it -- I think it would be a shame if it went away... (Although I
guess fcgi etc. are alternatives.)

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Magnus Lie Hetland                                  The Anygui Project
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 09:43:30PM +0200, Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
> Terrel Shumway <tshumway@...>:
> >
> > The code in CGIWrapper/CGIWrapper.py hasn't been touched in 10 months
> > (and then only to fix a minor bug). It seems to be implementing
> > MiscUtils.Configurable from before it was factored out into a separate
> > class. It may not be broken, but my feeling is that bit rot has
> > definitely set in.
> > 
> > Is anyone using it? Does anyone care?
> 
> This is the one that lets you use the standard CGI module through
> webware, for increased efficiency -- right? I've been thinking about
> using it -- I think it would be a shame if it went away... (Although I
> guess fcgi etc. are alternatives.)

I think it's the one that lets you port an existing CGI application to Webware
without having to change the CGI scripts.  Not for efficiency, but just
to avoid rewriting the application.

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Mike Orr <iron@...>:
[snip]
> I think it's the one that lets you port an existing CGI application to Webware
> without having to change the CGI scripts.  Not for efficiency, but just
> to avoid rewriting the application.

I meant that it let you use webware for efficiency. I mean, that would
be more efficient than using plain CGI (where Python would have to be
restarted with each request)?

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Magnus Lie Hetland                                  The Anygui Project
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On Fri, 2002-04-26 at 12:43, Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
> Terrel Shumway <tshumway@...>:
> >
> > The code in CGIWrapper/CGIWrapper.py hasn't been touched in 10 months
> > (and then only to fix a minor bug). It seems to be implementing
> > MiscUtils.Configurable from before it was factored out into a separate
> > class. It may not be broken, but my feeling is that bit rot has
> > definitely set in.
> > 
> > Is anyone using it? Does anyone care?
> 
> This is the one that lets you use the standard CGI module through
> webware, for increased efficiency -- right? I've been thinking about
> using it -- I think it would be a shame if it went away... 
No, what you are thinking of is CGIAdapter, which is used by WebKit.cgi
to connect with AppServer. I would guess that *most* people use that,
until they figure out mod_webkit. It will definitely not go away.

> (Although I guess fcgi etc. are alternatives.)
mod_webkit works well. I am still trying to figure out fcgi.


CGIWrapper is actually a precursor to what we know as WebKit. AFAICT it
is totally obsolete. (The reason I even asked is because I didn't
clearly understand what it was. If I had understood, I would have just
sent a private message to Chuck and not bothered the list?) 

Am I right Chuck? Should it be removed from the distribution to avoid
silly questions like mine?

Terrel Shumway <tshumway@...>:
[snip]
> > This is the one that lets you use the standard CGI module through
> > webware, for increased efficiency -- right? I've been thinking about
> > using it -- I think it would be a shame if it went away... 
> No, what you are thinking of is CGIAdapter, which is used by WebKit.cgi
> to connect with AppServer.

Am I? What I'm thinking about is the thing that lets you run
completely ordinary CGI scripts with webware... (Not servlet stuff.)

[snip]
> CGIWrapper is actually a precursor to what we know as WebKit. AFAICT it
> is totally obsolete. (The reason I even asked is because I didn't
> clearly understand what it was. If I had understood, I would have just
> sent a private message to Chuck and not bothered the list?) 

:)

> Am I right Chuck? Should it be removed from the distribution to avoid
> silly questions like mine?

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Magnus Lie Hetland                                  The Anygui Project
http://hetland.org                                  http://anygui.org

On Friday April 26, 2002 06:24 pm, Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
> Terrel Shumway <tshumway@...>:
> [snip]
>
> > > This is the one that lets you use the standard CGI module through
> > > webware, for increased efficiency -- right? I've been thinking about
> > > using it -- I think it would be a shame if it went away...
> >
> > No, what you are thinking of is CGIAdapter, which is used by WebKit.cgi
> > to connect with AppServer.
>
> Am I? What I'm thinking about is the thing that lets you run
> completely ordinary CGI scripts with webware... (Not servlet stuff.)

I don't think such a thing exists.  Maybe you're thinking of mod_python, 
which has a mode which is intended to accelerate CGI scripts.

>
> [snip]
>
> > CGIWrapper is actually a precursor to what we know as WebKit. AFAICT it
> > is totally obsolete. (The reason I even asked is because I didn't
> > clearly understand what it was. If I had understood, I would have just
> > sent a private message to Chuck and not bothered the list?)
> >
> :)
> :
> > Am I right Chuck? Should it be removed from the distribution to avoid
> > silly questions like mine?

CGIWrapper serves a different purpose than WebKit.  Its goal is to make it 
easier to write a CGI application.  Some people might find it useful if they 
are writing an app that has to be deployed using CGI for whatever reason.  I 
personally don't see the harm of leaving it in Webware and occasionally 
getting silly questions :-)

- Geoff

Geoffrey Talvola <gtalvola@...>:
[snip]
> I don't think such a thing exists.  Maybe you're thinking of mod_python, 
> which has a mode which is intended to accelerate CGI scripts.

Hm. I guess I must have misread the docs. I just seem to remember some
mention of a component that would let you run your own CGI scripts.
(I'm not thinking of mod_python, no ;)

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