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Re: [smartmontools-support] [smartmontools-devel] Solaris10

From: Bruce Allen <ballen@gr...> - 2007-10-10 20:26

Keiji-san,

I was reading/typing too fast and not thinking... I just saw the last part 
of your email.

> Bruce,
> I am thinking whether I should check-in .c/.cpp file into CVS
> repository or not, because users cannot compile it by itself.
> Adding .c/.cpp file as "reference code" is informative but
> little confusing.  How about it?

I am in favor of having the .c or .cpp file in the repository as a 
reference, even if it does not compile and is just sitting there as 
reference material.  But I am confused about whether or not this would be 
allowed by the incompatible licenses.  Can you explain?

Cheers,
 	BRUCE

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[smartmontools-support] Solaris10	Sven Neirynck <snefrika@gm...>

Re: [smartmontools-support] Solaris10

From: Jesus Cea <jcea@ar...> - 2007-09-27 21:19

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Sven Neirynck wrote:
> Hello,
> I want to use smartctl under solaris10 on x86 but this is not implemented.
> Is anyone working on this?

I'm very interested too.

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Re: [smartmontools-support] Solaris10

From: Bruce Allen <ballen@gr...> - 2007-09-28 02:05

Keiji-san,

Please see message below.  As I recall, smartmontools DOES run on 
Solaris/x86, but only supports SCSI not (S)ATA on that platform. Under 
SPARC both SCSI and (S)ATA are supported.  Is that right?

At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to release 
the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the OpenSolaris 
licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might make it easier to 
port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.

Jesus: could you please be more specific about what is wrong?  Is the 
problem (a) Solaris10 (b) SCSI (c) SATA or (d) x86?  Are you able to build 
the code?  Does it run but not correctly?

Cheers,
 	Bruce

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Jesus Cea wrote:

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> Sven Neirynck wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I want to use smartctl under solaris10 on x86 but this is not implemented.
>> Is anyone working on this?
>
> I'm very interested too.
>
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Re: [smartmontools-support] Solaris10

From: Sawada Keiji <card_captor@us...> - 2007-10-01 18:34

Hi all,

> Please see message below.  As I recall, smartmontools DOES run on 
> Solaris/x86, but only supports SCSI not (S)ATA on that platform. Under 
> SPARC both SCSI and (S)ATA are supported.  Is that right?

Right, except for SATA.
I don't know much about SATA devices, because SATA devices
operate under sd (SCSI disk) framework.

> At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to release 
> the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the OpenSolaris 
> licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might make it easier to 
> port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.

Sorry for waiting long long time... Please wait for one more
week!  Interface code is small and disarmingly simple.


Regards,
ksw / SAWADA Keiji
<card_captor@...>

Re: [smartmontools-support] Solaris10

From: Bruce Allen <ballen@gr...> - 2007-10-02 11:23

On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Sawada Keiji wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>> Please see message below.  As I recall, smartmontools DOES run on
>> Solaris/x86, but only supports SCSI not (S)ATA on that platform. Under
>> SPARC both SCSI and (S)ATA are supported.  Is that right?
>
> Right, except for SATA.
> I don't know much about SATA devices, because SATA devices
> operate under sd (SCSI disk) framework.

Doug, will the SAT pass through work in this case (Keiji, this is '-a 
sat')?

>> At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to 
>> release the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the 
>> OpenSolaris licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might 
>> make it easier to port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.
>
> Sorry for waiting long long time... Please wait for one more week! 
> Interface code is small and disarmingly simple.

One week -- no problem!!

Small and simple -- definitely no problem!!

Cheers,
     Bruce

Re: [smartmontools-support] Solaris10

From: Douglas Gilbert <dougg@to...> - 2007-10-02 12:57

Bruce Allen wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Sawada Keiji wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>>> Please see message below.  As I recall, smartmontools DOES run on
>>> Solaris/x86, but only supports SCSI not (S)ATA on that platform. Under
>>> SPARC both SCSI and (S)ATA are supported.  Is that right?
>>
>> Right, except for SATA.
>> I don't know much about SATA devices, because SATA devices
>> operate under sd (SCSI disk) framework.
> 
> Doug, will the SAT pass through work in this case (Keiji, this is '-a
> sat')?

Possibly. When '-a sat' is used (or implicit)
then the OS SCSI pass through will be used and it seems
that Solaris/x86 has one.

This assumes there is a SAT layer in place between
smartmontools and the (S)ATA device. As an example
LSI SAS HBAs have such a layer in their firmware.

There could still be problems. For example 16 byte SCSI
command may not be supported (then try '-d sat,12')
or the pass through is filtering out commands that it doesn't
understand or like (e.g. Windows rejects the EXTENDED COPY
command because it is too powerful (security concern)!).

Doug Gilbert

>>> At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to
>>> release the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the
>>> OpenSolaris licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might
>>> make it easier to port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.
>>
>> Sorry for waiting long long time... Please wait for one more week!
>> Interface code is small and disarmingly simple.
> 
> One week -- no problem!!
> 
> Small and simple -- definitely no problem!!
> 
> Cheers,
>     Bruce
> 
>

Re: [smartmontools-support] Solaris10

From: Bruce Allen <ballen@gr...> - 2007-10-02 16:20

Keiji-san,

I should have written '-d sat' below.  The '-a' is a mistake!

Cheers,
      Bruce


On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Douglas Gilbert wrote:

> Bruce Allen wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, Sawada Keiji wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>> Please see message below.  As I recall, smartmontools DOES run on
>>>> Solaris/x86, but only supports SCSI not (S)ATA on that platform. Under
>>>> SPARC both SCSI and (S)ATA are supported.  Is that right?
>>>
>>> Right, except for SATA.
>>> I don't know much about SATA devices, because SATA devices
>>> operate under sd (SCSI disk) framework.
>>
>> Doug, will the SAT pass through work in this case (Keiji, this is '-a
>> sat')?
>
> Possibly. When '-a sat' is used (or implicit)
> then the OS SCSI pass through will be used and it seems
> that Solaris/x86 has one.
>
> This assumes there is a SAT layer in place between
> smartmontools and the (S)ATA device. As an example
> LSI SAS HBAs have such a layer in their firmware.
>
> There could still be problems. For example 16 byte SCSI
> command may not be supported (then try '-d sat,12')
> or the pass through is filtering out commands that it doesn't
> understand or like (e.g. Windows rejects the EXTENDED COPY
> command because it is too powerful (security concern)!).
>
> Doug Gilbert
>
>>>> At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to
>>>> release the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the
>>>> OpenSolaris licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might
>>>> make it easier to port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.
>>>
>>> Sorry for waiting long long time... Please wait for one more week!
>>> Interface code is small and disarmingly simple.
>>
>> One week -- no problem!!
>>
>> Small and simple -- definitely no problem!!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>     Bruce
>>
>>
>
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Re: [smartmontools-support] [smartmontools-devel] Solaris10

From: Sawada Keiji <card_captor@us...> - 2007-10-08 09:10

Hi all,

>>> >> At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to 
>>> >> release the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the 
>>> >> OpenSolaris licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might 
>>> >> make it easier to port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.
>> >
>> > Sorry for waiting long long time... Please wait for one more week! 
>> > Interface code is small and disarmingly simple.
> 
> One week -- no problem!!
> 
> Small and simple -- definitely no problem!!

I wrote brief memo on how to access SMART data via ATA
under Solaris/SPARC:

http://card-captor.dyndns.org/pub/solaris-smart/how-to-access-smart.html

Source file for .S file (included in smarmontools archive)
is available from there.  I would appreciate any comments
and suggestions.


Bruce,
I am thinking whether I should check-in .c/.cpp file into CVS
repository or not, because users cannot compile it by itself.
Adding .c/.cpp file as "reference code" is informative but
little confusing.  How about it?

Regards,
ksw / SAWADA Keiji
<card_captor@...>

Re: [smartmontools-support] [smartmontools-devel] Solaris10

From: Douglas Gilbert <dougg@to...> - 2007-10-08 12:51

Sawada Keiji wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>>>>>> At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to 
>>>>>> release the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the 
>>>>>> OpenSolaris licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might 
>>>>>> make it easier to port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.
>>>> Sorry for waiting long long time... Please wait for one more week! 
>>>> Interface code is small and disarmingly simple.
>> One week -- no problem!!
>>
>> Small and simple -- definitely no problem!!
> 
> I wrote brief memo on how to access SMART data via ATA
> under Solaris/SPARC:
> 
> http://card-captor.dyndns.org/pub/solaris-smart/how-to-access-smart.html

On this page you state: "Beware that this technique cannot
be applied to SCSI devices or (on the) x86 platform."
Since that statement stands alone (i.e. unqualified) a
reader might assume that SCSI devices are unsupported on
Solaris platforms.

I understood that the existing "uscsi" based interface
(written in C or C++) works fine for Solaris on both
the SPARC and x86 platforms for SCSI devices. That also
includes (s)ATA devices behind a SAT layer (e.g. as
found in a LSI SAS HBA).

I don't have any Solaris equipment but I have based a
Solaris port of my sg3_utils package on the "uscsi"
interface found in smartmontools. The feedback from
one Solaris tester has been positive.

Doug Gilbert

> Source file for .S file (included in smarmontools archive)
> is available from there.  I would appreciate any comments
> and suggestions.
> 
> 
> Bruce,
> I am thinking whether I should check-in .c/.cpp file into CVS
> repository or not, because users cannot compile it by itself.
> Adding .c/.cpp file as "reference code" is informative but
> little confusing.  How about it?

Re: [smartmontools-support] [smartmontools-devel] Solaris10

From: Bruce Allen <ballen@gr...> - 2007-10-10 20:26

Keiji-san,

I was reading/typing too fast and not thinking... I just saw the last part 
of your email.

> Bruce,
> I am thinking whether I should check-in .c/.cpp file into CVS
> repository or not, because users cannot compile it by itself.
> Adding .c/.cpp file as "reference code" is informative but
> little confusing.  How about it?

I am in favor of having the .c or .cpp file in the repository as a 
reference, even if it does not compile and is just sitting there as 
reference material.  But I am confused about whether or not this would be 
allowed by the incompatible licenses.  Can you explain?

Cheers,
 	BRUCE

Re: [smartmontools-support] [smartmontools-devel] Solaris10

From: Bruce Allen <ballen@gr...> - 2007-10-10 20:26

Keiji-san,

Thank you for releasing the source code on a web page!  This is a nice way 
around the license incompatibility issue.

Could I suggest that you update the smartmontools .S files by adding a 
COMMENT which points to the web page 
http://card-captor.dyndns.org/pub/solaris-smart/how-to-access-smart.html 
and says that the source can be found there?  I do not think that this 
violates any licenses, but do not want to do this without your clear 
approval.

Cheers,
 	Bruce


On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Sawada Keiji wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>>>>>> At some point in the past you had thought it might be possible to
>>>>>> release the (S)ATA .c interface code rather than just the .S via the
>>>>>> OpenSolaris licence.  Anything new there?  I suppose that this might
>>>>>> make it easier to port SPARC code to x86, if that's the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for waiting long long time... Please wait for one more week!
>>>> Interface code is small and disarmingly simple.
>>
>> One week -- no problem!!
>>
>> Small and simple -- definitely no problem!!
>
> I wrote brief memo on how to access SMART data via ATA
> under Solaris/SPARC:
>
> http://card-captor.dyndns.org/pub/solaris-smart/how-to-access-smart.html
>
> Source file for .S file (included in smarmontools archive)
> is available from there.  I would appreciate any comments
> and suggestions.
>
>
> Bruce,
> I am thinking whether I should check-in .c/.cpp file into CVS
> repository or not, because users cannot compile it by itself.
> Adding .c/.cpp file as "reference code" is informative but
> little confusing.  How about it?
>
> Regards,
> ksw / SAWADA Keiji
> <card_captor@...>
>
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