Webware for Python

I haven't quite figured it, but there's something weird with
Mozilla/Galeon and reloading pages created from POST.  It just doesn't
seem to do it.  I usually go back and resubmit.

There's still something about Netscape 4.x, despite all it's lameness,
that keeps me coming back from time to time.  It's just so much more
responsive than all the modern browsers, even IE (though Opera could
probably win me over if I gave it a chance).

On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 15:55, Chuck Esterbrook wrote:
> On Windows, I develop WebKit sites with IE & OneShot.cgi and simply hit 
> reload after I make changes. Everything works fine.
> 
> However, on Linux, both Mozilla and Galeon always give back the same page 
> when I reload even though they seem to churn through the CGI script.
> 
> Konqueror gives me back a new page, but loses the last set of POSTed 
> variables thereby causing other problems.
> 
> In all cases, completely quitting the brower and restarting works, but 
> that's obviously painful.
> 
> I tried adding this to SitePage, but it didn't help:
> 
> 	def awake(self, trans):
> 		Page.awake(self, trans)
> 		setHeader = self.response().setHeader
> 		setHeader('Cache-Control', 'no-cache')
> 		setHeader('Expires', '0')
> 		setHeader('Pragma', 'no-cache')
> 
> What browser do you guys use for developing WebKit sites on Linux? Do you 
> have this reload problem? Do you use OneShot?
> 
> 
> -Chuck
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> However, on Linux, both Mozilla and Galeon always give back the same page 
> when I reload even though they seem to churn through the CGI script.

I suppose you already tried forcing mozilla to not look at it's page
cache?  You can tell it to always fetch a fresh copy everytime.

I haven't really had this problem, and I use mozilla most of the time. 

jack.

On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 16:08, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> > However, on Linux, both Mozilla and Galeon always give back the same page 
> > when I reload even though they seem to churn through the CGI script.
> 
> I suppose you already tried forcing mozilla to not look at it's page
> cache?  You can tell it to always fetch a fresh copy everytime.

No, but this was just when I hit the reload button (on a page from
POST), so the cache shouldn't be involved... but then, maybe it is even
though it shouldn't be.

Though, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I'm having the problems
I was as of a couple of the latest versions of Galeon (and hence the
latest versions of Mozilla).  But the memory is vague.

  Ian

On Thursday 29 November 2001 17:03, Ian Bicking wrote:
> On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 16:08, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> > > However, on Linux, both Mozilla and Galeon always give back the
> > > same page when I reload even though they seem to churn through
> > > the CGI script.
> >
> > I suppose you already tried forcing mozilla to not look at it's
> > page cache?  You can tell it to always fetch a fresh copy
> > everytime.
>
> No, but this was just when I hit the reload button (on a page from
> POST), so the cache shouldn't be involved... but then, maybe it is
> even though it shouldn't be.

Netscape on Windows used to have an option to explicitly ignore 
cached versions of a page when reloading.  You had to hold the shift 
key down while clicking the reload button.  That probably went away a 
long time ago ... worth a shot.

On Thursday 29 November 2001 02:09 pm, Ian Bicking wrote:
> There's still something about Netscape 4.x, despite all it's lameness,
> that keeps me coming back from time to time.  It's just so much more
> responsive than all the modern browsers, even IE (though Opera could
> probably win me over if I gave it a chance).

I haven't tried their last major release, since it's still alpha. I tried 
their previous stable release on Linux and it does a very poor job at 
rendering.


On Thursday 29 November 2001 05:03 pm, Ian Bicking wrote:
> No, but this was just when I hit the reload button (on a page from
> POST), so the cache shouldn't be involved... but then, maybe it is even
> though it shouldn't be.

I agree. Reload should mean reload. And with all those no-cache headers I 
put in, it should _really_ mean reload. But read on...


On Thursday 29 November 2001 06:25 pm, Tavis Rudd wrote:
> Netscape on Windows used to have an option to explicitly ignore
> cached versions of a page when reloading.  You had to hold the shift
> key down while clicking the reload button.  That probably went away a
> long time ago ... worth a shot.

Tavis, you are the man!  This works in Mozilla 0.9.x.

It's not a perfect world, but if I can hit Shift+click to really reload a 
page (instead of just pretending to!), then I can carry on with Linux. I 
almost contemplated a return to Windows. I reload all the time as I refine 
my web apps. I never realized how much until now.


-Chuck

Hi Chuck Esterbrook,

on 30-Nov-2001 you wrote:

> On Thursday 29 November 2001 02:09 pm, Ian Bicking wrote:
>> There's still something about Netscape 4.x, despite all it's lameness,
>> that keeps me coming back from time to time. _It's just so much more
>> responsive than all the modern browsers, even IE (though Opera could
>> probably win me over if I gave it a chance).

I can only recommend galeon 1.0 to all of you seeking for a better Linux
browser. It combines the speed of NN4 with the superior rendering engine
and privacy functions of Mozilla with added bonuses like "Auto Bookmarks"
(bookmarking all open windows in case of a - rather rare - crash), the
best bookmark editor/handling I have seen so far in ANY browser on x86 OSes,
completely Mouse-configurable UI and arbitrary mixing of tabbed and windowed
browsing.

I guess once it gets to version 1.1, finishing off some more small bugs, I'll
probably daresay its better than IE.

Regards,
        Fionn